Babe Ruth did it on Hot Dogs & Beer.

[Callaway]

Somewhat old news, but classic.

NYTimes Jack Curry (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/06/sports/baseball/06bonds.html)

PHILADELPHIA, May 5 ? When Barry Bonds jogged to left field in the first inning here, some fans unfurled a huge banner with a message that he could not miss. Simply and cleverly, it said, "Ruth did it on hot dogs & Beer."

Before Bonds could even get to his position for the San Francisco Giants, the typically unforgiving Philadelphia fans told him what they thought about his pursuit of Babe Ruth's hallowed 714 homers. There have been suspicions that Bonds used performance-enhancing substances to help him collect some of his 712 homers.

If Bonds somehow did not see the white banner with black letters that was almost as long as a row of seats, the fans also chanted, "Just retire."

[bayrider]

LOL good one by the Philly fans :)

You know what this means right? Another special on ESPN about Bonds dispelling the Philly banner and crying like a little baby that everyone is so hard on him.

[Gabureiru]

not only he did it on Hot Dogs and Beer, but the ball was heavier, the strike zone was bigger, he did it in less time. He is Base Ball (for me at least)

[Aaron Veteran]

the rest of the banners:

[crimsonhead]

Thats awesome :D

[quick]

LOL :D Good job (Y)

[metallithrax]

the rest of the banners:

So Aaron, you did it with class hey? :laugh:

[dj6ross]

I must say that was very clever. :D

[saotome6]

ruth was also an alchoholic ###### who would of been eatin alive in todays media crazed society

[gigapixels Veteran]

ruth was also an alchoholic ###### who would of been eatin alive in todays media crazed society

And how does his personal life have anything to do with his accomplishments in sports?

They have a very good point.

[kin]

gotta love us philly fans (Y)

[macro]

not only he did it on Hot Dogs and Beer, but the ball was heavier, the strike zone was bigger, he did it in less time. He is Base Ball (for me at least)

They also didn't pitch as fast back then, it was a whole different game and hard to compare, like any other sport over that long of a time

And how does his personal life have anything to do with his accomplishments in sports?

They have a very good point.

The fans celebrate what you do based on the person you are too so the personal stuff matters. Not in the statistical sense but in how you are remembered by people and history

[Chris Allen Veteran]

That's awesome :rofl:

[gigapixels Veteran]

They also didn't pitch as fast back then, it was a whole different game and hard to compare, like any other sport over that long of a time

The fans celebrate what you do based on the person you are too so the personal stuff matters. Not in the statistical sense but in how you are remembered by people and history

But this is not about the fans. It's about the simple fact that he did do it without the alleged steroid usage of Bonds.

[dotmike]

I laughed my ass off when I heard about this.

[Aaron Veteran]

So Aaron, you did it with class hey? :laugh:

Always. ;)

And how does his personal life have anything to do with his accomplishments in sports?

They have a very good point.

But this is not about the fans. It's about the simple fact that he did do it without the alleged steroid usage of Bonds.

I'm not so sure about that. Most fans outside of San Francisco have not liked Bonds much. Steroids has just given everyone else a legitimate reason to dislike him, other than he's just an arrogant butthead. I think that if Ruth were playing today he wold not be popular. We'd have guys on the news asking whether or not he's a good role model and what is wrong with baseball today if a boozing, womanizing "thug" is the most celebrated figure in baseball.

[NCIvey]

They also didn't pitch as fast back then

So you're saying humans have evolved so much in the last 90 years that men can throw 10 maybe 20 mph faster than men in the 1910's and 20's. nonsense

[SimplyPotatoes]

We'd have guys on the news asking whether or not he's a good role model and what is wrong with baseball today if a boozing, womanizing "thug" is the most celebrated figure in baseball.

very few pro athlete that make a role model...they go free after most crimes, but very rich market area, billion's $..wont change.

[Ayepecks]

They also didn't pitch as fast back then...

Huh? :blink:

Anyways, I've seen this sign a lot... it'll be a classic! :laugh:

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But this is not about the fans. It's about the simple fact that he did do it without the alleged steroid usage of Bonds.

We can drop the 'alleged' word. He did take steroids in the cream, remember?

[KeeperOfThePizza]

Records are meant to be broken! but none the less Steroids are no good.. and If Bonds is found of that.. bad day in sports. :no:

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Records are meant to be broken! but none the less Steroids are no good.. and If Bonds is found of that.. bad day in sports. :no:

If?

[cchasem]

So you're saying humans have evolved so much in the last 90 years that men can throw 10 maybe 20 mph faster than men in the 1910's and 20's. nonsense

Well, compare the world record for the 100meter dash today with the record from 100 years ago.. new training and practicing methods and stuff exist now..

People hone their skills over time... so in a way, yes, humans have 'evolved' to throw faster balls, run/swim faster, jump higher/farther...

(also the technology and crap has probably made it easier too)

[ew2x4]

So you're saying humans have evolved so much in the last 90 years that men can throw 10 maybe 20 mph faster than men in the 1910's and 20's. nonsense

Acctually, yes. Athletes are more commonly stronger, faster, and generally better. This is due to training and in general, the popularity of the sport has evolved. An example is the OU Sooners football team. In the way back years they had a little streak going for 47 straight games. The folks on ESPN were trying to look at the greatest football team of all time. Now compare this team to last year's Longhorns (National Champions). It is a complete mismatch. The biggest lineman on the Sooner's team was 5'5" tall. Compare this to today's athletes who are regularly 6'6" tall.

Fact is, things change. You obviously have no knowledge of atheletics, past or present.

When talking about the topic at hand, steroids in baseball, I find it hard to fight against Bonds. This is all about a level playing field. We can't compare Maris to Ruth because Roger had a longer season. Well Babe hit against pitchers that had no relievers. Etc. When looking at steroids in baseball, you have to look at it that the majority of the baseball players used steroids. If Bonds used, most likely so did the opposition. The pitchers, out field, infield. They would up their game evenly. It's not just Bonds who used, so this shouldn't be a witch hunt. The majority of players used. And through all of the given disadvantages and advantages that each player has on their side, I have to think that in the end, they all cancel out and the winner is determined by athletic and mental skill.

[NCIvey]

You could also argue these points...

1. The balls used in Ruth's era were softer and harder to hit long distances

2. There was no such thing as a "hitters park". Todays stadium are built to produce more offense.

3. Baseball stadiums didn't have lights until the 1930's, so even on an overcast day it's harder to see the ball.

4. As one person in this post argues, players todays are stronger and have better training facilities and better medical staffing, cutting down injuries and increasing stamina.

5. The mound was higher until the late 1960's, giving pitchers a huge advantage over batters.

any more?