PS3 2005 vs PS3 2006 - WYSIWYG

[Blackice]

The graphics are the same/less than the 360. The multimedia features are clearly far behind the 360. Can the PS3 connect to my Media Center? Can it stream music and videos and pictures from my PC or Mac? Can it connect to my portable media devices? Does it have a proven online system with HD content? Not yet anyway.

I haven't seen any multimedia features in the PS3 that weren't ripped from the 360. Other than the choice of BluRay over HD-DVD, which I think is a poor decision.

Acutally, no. The graphics may come to be on par, but we don't know, because none of us have sat down in front of a PS3 and mashed it. Also, the PS3's CPU is optimised for many threads, meaning that the gameplay can be much, much better than the 360. Once developers get to learn how to use the new hardware, the games will get very impressive - 360's core is familiar to most because its a standard PPC processor. Want a PPC? get a powermac. PS3's core is entirely new.

The media center argument is stupid - all you're doing is showing how Microsoft are trying to use their Windows monopoly to gain a monopoly on the console market. Actually, the PS3 can stream content from your other computers - it runs Linux, remember, meaning that it can access Windows and mac shared content, and it should be feasible to get a USB TV Tuner and use it as a fully-fledged entertainment centre. Sony are very likely to also distribute software for content streaming for your PC/Mac, to make it interoperable with the PS3. Sony and Apple have a great relationship, so I wouldn't be surprised to see Bonjour support for the PS3.

Can it connect to mobile devices? Yes

Does it have a 'proven online system'? No, because the PS2 only had an aftermarket online solution. When the PS2 launched, online gaming wasn't possible due to the lack of broadband connections. When the XBOX launched, it was there, so they could use it.

Actually, its not really possible for Sony to include any multimedia features that the 360 doesn't have. There are only so many features they can add - streaming multimedia content is the most obvious thing, and certainly isn't any Microsoft innovation.

And not only has Sony decided BluRay > HDDVD, but they've made it standard kit, which is better for in-game multimedia content, as well. That's further than Microsoft's commitment to the next generation goes. It means not only that the PS3 is a cheap BluRay player, but that games are better, and people can just pick up a box and go, rather than buy an extra box. Oh, and the 360 uses USB 2.0, and the PS3 uses SATA. The PS3 has a much higher bandwidth connection to its next-gen optical drive, delivering a better experience with much less chance of stuttering and dodgy playback.

[theyarecomingforyou]

I am disappointed that Microsoft dropped HD-DVD support, as well as dropping the hard-drive from the basic version - that has limited the ability of the X360 as a console. Games are not a problem, as they can always be put on several discs (big deal), but the lack of a hard-drive as standard is a real blow, as is the lack of hi-def movies support - afterall, an important reason for the PS2s success, early on at least, was the ability to play DVDs. However, Microsoft did that as a deliberate tactic to get ahead of Sony and it may well work out for them. Sony at least learned from the competition and included an online service, tilt-sensors and hard-drive with even the cheap model, a very clever tactic - the inclusion of Blu-Ray is also a huge selling point that to how much Sony are subsidising it. It will certainly be an interesting few years.

I don't want to get involved in this console war because I don't use consoles. However, from the point of view of a regular consumer the PS3 is the real winner thanks to the hi-def movie support - the price is also reasonable as standalone players are predicted to be in the same price range.

PS - I find this thread pretty disgusting. Everyone obviously has their preferences but that shouldn't prevent you being able to look at things rationally... I couldn't believe someone said "yeah, but who cares about Blu-Ray" - that just flies in the face of logic (who wouldn't want more features, particularly something so big?). :no:

[Bhav]

I agree with the last two responses by Blackice and theyarecomingforyou.

One thing about what theyarecomingforyou said: the days of changing discs part way through a game have truly gone, and I would hate to see it return. Furthermore, whether or not devs need the space is irrelevant. Fact is, it's one less thing to worry about.

Also, porting titles from PS3 to XBox 360 will be a lot harder than the other way round if devs do use more than a standard dual layer disc.

Blackice made a really good point about the online - they are behind because they brought it in as an addon at the appropriate time. Now Sony is trying to catch up. And people seem to forget what a great position Sony is in.

Microsoft has to get all it's stuff from third parties (I mean movie trailers, music etc.). But Sony has its movie studio and music division, which will mean content is already available for the PS3's online service.

And finally, $600, ?600 yadayada - you are getting value for money. Yes, if you just want a games console, then the PS3 is not for you, but if you want technology, then the PS3 is a worthwhile investment.

You get a Blu-ray player for $400 less than standalone players, that play games, streams music and videos, and act as a media centre and run linuxandb> can play Blu-ray movies in 1080p through its digital connection, so it's future proof if any movie studios decide to impose image constraint (note: i'm talking about the $600 version).

[Danrarbc]

Acutally, no. The graphics may come to be on par, but we don't know, because none of us have sat down in front of a PS3 and mashed it. Also, the PS3's CPU is optimised for many threads, meaning that the gameplay can be much, much better than the 360. Once developers get to learn how to use the new hardware, the games will get very impressive - 360's core is familiar to most because its a standard PPC processor. Want a PPC? get a powermac. PS3's core is entirely new.

Actually PS3's core is heavily based on the PowerPC architecture, the PPE anyway, with the 7 SPEs on-die (making them very fast).

360's CPU is also designed for multiple threads, 6 to be exact. And it too is modified a bit from what a normal PPC is (not to the extent CELL is with SPEs, but still it's different). Why should we care what the CPU is though if the end result is the same? It's like telling people to boycott Apple because they now use Intel, like it somehow makes things any different.

I am disappointed that Microsoft dropped HD-DVD support, as well as dropping the hard-drive from the basic version - that has limited the ability of the X360 as a console.

They had two choices. Delay 360 until Toshiba got HD-DVD ready, or get it out for the holiday season. Not to mention the DVD drive is cheaper so profitability is closer (the whole point for MS is to start making money on the Xbox line).

Edited May 21, 2006 by Danrarbc641

[theyarecomingforyou]

One thing about what theyarecomingforyou said: the days of changing discs part way through a game have truly gone, and I would hate to see it return. Furthermore, whether or not devs need the space is irrelevant. Fact is, it's one less thing to worry about.

I appreciate that - not having to change discs is obviously preferable - it's just that it's not going to be a limiting factor of the console, unlike the omission of a hard-drive on lower models. Having two CD albums hasn't damaged the music industry, in fact customers actually see the extra content as a bonus, so I wouldn't even class that as a weakness of the X360.

You get a Blu-ray player for $400 less than standalone players, that play games, streams music and videos, and act as a media centre and run linux, and can play Blu-ray movies in 1080p through its digital connection

What exactly is the situation with 1080p and HDMI? I remember there being a fuss about the PS3 last year because it had two HDMI ports and so could support 1080p... is that only needed for 1080p/60 or the regular 1080p/24 as well? I remember there were claims that without two HDMI connections you couldn't run 1080p. I must admit I haven't been following it particularly closely, so I may be well off the mark.

[Bhav]

Having two HDMI ports is irrevelant for 1080p. That whle dual HDMI thing was just to show of technology, and thankfully they've left that in the past because it would've gone unused.

You can view movies in 1080p without HDMI.

http://www.ps3land.com/article-314.php#3

[magik]

Waste as in the fact that you can't use the console for what it was advertised to be for the initial 2 years. Of course it's not a complete waste, but it is wasting your money since you're paying for something that you can't use for '2 years'. Just think about it before you get so quick to shoot it down so fast :)

[AlphaPrime]

Waste as in the fact that you can't use the console for what it was advertised to be for the initial 2 years. Of course it's not a complete waste, but it is wasting your money since you're paying for something that you can't use for '2 years'.

But you can use it. You just can't get 1080p until you buy a TV that supports it, which, you know, is obvious. If you really wanted to, you can buy a 1080p TV now. PS3 comes out in 6 months. In 6 months 1080p TVs may be half the price. If you buy a 1080p TV in 2 years, at least you know it supports it. So a 360 is a waste if you just play it on a SD TV? Nope. It's not like you are paying extra for 1080p so I don't see the problem of including it.

[magik]

But you can use it. You just can't get 1080p until you buy a TV that supports it, which, you know, is obvious. If you really wanted to, you can buy a 1080p TV now. PS3 comes out in 6 months. In 6 months 1080p TVs may be half the price. If you buy a 1080p TV in 2 years, at least you know it supports it. So a 360 is a waste if you just play it on a SD TV? Nope. It's not like you are paying extra for 1080p so I don't see the problem of including it.

Agreed, but I just feel like their high price could have been alleviated somewhat if they didn't push for a signal that won't be in the normal (average) use for a few years to come (probably even toward the end of the consoles life anyway), you know what I mean? Sorry, maybe I'm not making sense, but I'm just so annoyed by the price :pinch:

[Bhav]

Why are you annoyed by the price? You've been anti-PS3 from the start...

[AlphaPrime]

Agreed, but I just feel like their high price could have been alleviated somewhat if they didn't push for a signal that won't be in the normal (average) use for a few years to come (probably even toward the end of the consoles life anyway), you know what I mean? Sorry, maybe I'm not making sense, but I'm just so annoyed by the price :pinch:

Well since they were going to charge that price no matter what (because of Blu-ray, Cell, 60GB HDD), they might as well give the highest posible output for TVs, even if it's not mainstream for a while. Also the people who buy the PS3 at launch will be the kind of people who spend a lot on new technology anyway.

[magik]

Why are you annoyed by the price? You've been anti-PS3 from the start...

I have never been anti-PS3, but I have been quick to defend the Xbox 360 because I feel that it is a good system and well worth the money. You may have confused the two, but it's okay, I will forgive you.

[-Anthony]

I have never been anti-PS3, but I have been quick to defend the Xbox 360 because I feel that it is a good system and well worth the money. You may have confused the two, but it's okay, I will forgive you.

Ah yes but defending a system is different from attacking/downplaying its competitor because if that was the case there wouldn't be a need to be in this forum would it ?

[magik]

Ah yes but defending a system is different from attacking/downplaying its competitor because if that was the case there wouldn't be a need to be in this forum would it ?

So, you're saying that I shouldn't talk in the Sony forum because I feel that it is an expensive console? Hmm... I may be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure the forum rules disagree with you there.

[yankee lion]

So, you're saying that I shouldn't talk in the Sony forum because I feel that it is an expensive console? Hmm... I may be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure the forum rules disagree with you there.

All he is saying is that your comments are always negative and spark heated debate that usually gets out of hand. So what's the use of making them if the end result is frustration and anger, just save your time and energy and make this forum a better place.

[Bhav]

Exactly...if you really prefer everything the Xbox 360 has to offer compared to the PS3, go and talk about it in the Microsoft forum - although you're free to post wherever you want, you should realise your negative comments won't bode well in an area where Sony/PS3/PS2/PS1/PSP fans like to post, and all you're doing is stirring instead of promoting discussion.

[-Anthony]

This is The Gamers Forum. This means any member should be able to, and should want to if they are really true gamers, go into any subsection, and make a comment without fear of being flamed or accused of anything.

The thread is going offtopic. Bring it back !

[magik]

The thread is going offtopic. Bring it back !

Yes, lets. Some people just take things way too personally sometimes. :no:

[+vlsi0n Subscriber¹]

Meh, that's just what Sony does for their marketing. I mean, they did promise that the PS2 would be able to render Toy Story on its own. :laugh:

Yeah, sure does get a lot of hype up; they've got that down.

Do we really need this thread? Let the Sony fans enjoy their console, or they are going to complain just as much as we do when they come into the Microsoft Gaming section.

Come on now....

Yes. I don't see why this thread is in question actually; a simple look at what's real and what's... not.

1080p not possible through component or VGA? (Serious question, cos I don't actually know)

What the hell does that mean?? You can still play Blu-ray movies in high definition through component cables - Sony has actually confirmed it won't automatically downgrade 1080p to a lower res if you don't have HDMI, and no other studios have said they will incorporate this sneaky feature either.

True.

That is indeed a very sneaky feature. Why have it at all if won't be used?

And everyone seems to forget the Blu-ray Player in the PS3 when looking at the price...the machine's a bargain if you want to watch hi-def movies and play games. In fact, the Xbox 360 with the HD-DVD player will probably exceed the cost of the 60GB PS3 anyway.

Well right now it may be a bargin be really, who would buy a $1500 player? No one, more realistic is when they cost maybe $200 and down, that's when the avg. consumer may adopt the new technology. So really you're in the boat of paying for a expensive bluray player that will be much cheaper in 4-5 months.

Given Sony's track record for spreading lies across the galaxy, news like this shouldn't suprise anyone.

Yeah, I thought that too.

boy these anti Sony/PS3 posts are getting out of hand. :o I think its time for the mods to take action. :cry:

:no: Out of hand? Discussing how Sony may or may not have fallen short of what it's offering is anti-ps3? :blink:

[yankee lion]

I don't know why we're still discussing this, the fact of the matter is:

You got your own hopes up, Sony didn't promise anything.

[+vlsi0n Subscriber¹]

I don't know why we're still discussing this, the fact of the matter is:

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You got your own hopes up, Sony didn't promise anything.

Wow, I guess you could take it for face value. But when sony speaks of this stuff like it's written in stone people tend to think that's what they'll offer when it retails.

[yankee lion]

Wow, I guess you could take it for face value. But when sony speaks of this stuff like it's written in stone people tend to think that's what they'll offer when it retails.

I know you're not naive enough to believe Sonys word in this day and age. :rofl:

[tylerm]

it's not the fact about those features being deal breakers, it's sony's attitude, at least to me. announce something completely impossible, then knock all those crazy features off, and then copy any of the new good ideas that are out. that mindset bugs me.

Sounds like the Windows Vista release doesn't it?

[dagamer34]

Sounds like the Windows Vista release doesn't it?

Meh, except there's some light at the end of the tunnel there. It's just not here today.

[-Anthony]

Sounds like the Windows Vista release doesn't it?

:D I said the same thing on the first page.