PS3 2005 vs PS3 2006 - WYSIWYG

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WolfieZero

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One thing I don't get....

Why are all the 360 <snipped> getting all worked up over the PS3? Not like your going to buy one so why care?

I'm not going to buy a Wii, so I'm not going on forums saying "oh this is no good lalala..." staying out of it as it's not a worry.

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1080p not possible through component or VGA? (Serious question, cos I don't actually know)

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Sony has definitely changed its original spec into something more realistic. But just look at the Core system...what fool would choose to buy that? Sony's doing the same thing: they want you to go for the higher priced one.

A foll without much money, that knows they can upgrade it later.

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Bhav

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I asked that question on May 11th...I now know that you can view movies in 1080p through component.

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Component video is capable of producing signals such as 480p, 720p, 1080i and 1080p, but digital connections such as DVI (video only) and HDMI (which can also include up to 8 channels of audio) give better results at the higher resolutions (up to 1080p).

Edit: Also, when I said "But just look at the Core system...what fool would choose to buy that? Sony's doing the same thing: they want you to go for the higher priced one." I didn't know it was almost fully upgradable with non-proprietary hardware (any wifi USB adapter, any USB memory card reader), since I made that post on May 11th. I now know it still offers a lot for $100 less, including a wireless controller.

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AlphaPrime

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A foll without much money, that knows they can upgrade it later.

Except the 360 never had HDMI. A lot of people are complaining that there is no HDMI on the 'Core' PS3, yet none of the 360 packages have it altogether. So 'Premium' PS3 will always have HDMI and 360 will never have it? Perhaps. Let's just use the argument that 360 is getting a HDMI cable. What's to stop Core PS3 from also getting a HDMI cable? Nothing.

So that 'not being able to upgrade it later' argument is a double-edged sword. If Microsoft comes out with a HDMI cable, Sony can too. If they can't, that leaves Premium PS3 as the only console with HDMI. So if you are going to complain about Core PS3's lack of HDMI, you will also have to complain about Premium 360's lack of HDMI. A Core PS3 would already have more features than a Premium 360. Phew, got all that? Now stop using that argument because it's flawed.

Okay, so, PS3 has less features this year than last year. Okay, there's the router function which Sony said wasn't going to end up in the final console anyway as most people would already have one. Then there's the 2 extra USB ports which aren't really needed as even 4 may be overkill for a console. That leaves us with the 2xHDMI ports that Sony shouted from the rooftops last year. Firstly their GPU will find it hard enough to handle one 1080p screen, let alone two in games. Secondly, for movies it would be pretty useless. It was a stupid feature that hardly anyone would be able to use, so I doubt anyone misses it. Sony should have never advertised it. If you are going to complain about something, complain about the lack of 1080p games, not those unwanted features that no one cared about. But then again, 360 doesn't have any 1080p games, so you can only go so far with that argument. Sony is arrogant, but so are a lot of companies, and if the final product is good, then it doesn't really matter. There are a lot of good games coming out for each console, so be happy you have a choice, and without competition the gaming industry wouldn't be where it is today.

In closing, everyone just shut up and play games, because this console war is incredibly dumb. If you dislike something, good for you, say it once and get over it. Remember, these are just video games, not religion, not politics, just video games. They're meant to be fun. Keep it that way.

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Julius Caro

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The media center argument is stupid - all you're doing is showing how Microsoft are trying to use their Windows monopoly to gain a monopoly on the console market. Actually, the PS3 can stream content from your other computers - it runs Linux, remember, meaning that it can access Windows and mac shared content, and it should be feasible to get a USB TV Tuner and use it as a fully-fledged entertainment centre. Sony are very likely to also distribute software for content streaming for your PC/Mac, to make it interoperable with the PS3. Sony and Apple have a great relationship, so I wouldn't be surprised to see Bonjour support for the PS3.

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And not only has Sony decided BluRay > HDDVD, but they've made it standard kit, which is better for in-game multimedia content, as well. That's further than Microsoft's commitment to the next generation goes. It means not only that the PS3 is a cheap BluRay player, but that games are better, and people can just pick up a box and go, rather than buy an extra box. Oh, and the 360 uses USB 2.0, and the PS3 uses SATA. The PS3 has a much higher bandwidth connection to its next-gen optical drive, delivering a better experience with much less chance of stuttering and dodgy playback.

Why would you want a TV tuner attached to a Sony that is attached to a TV that most likely has already a tv tuner? But yeah, if it can stream content from other computers and you can put video files on it, then it's fine.

In your post you say that microsoft takes advantage of windows market share to gain market share in the console market ("monopoly" is not the word here!). But what sony is doing with bluray isn't much different: they take advantage of the HUGE success the PS has to introduce that Blu-Ray... you're right, sony has "decided" it's better! Just like they did with memory sticks and UMDs. If Blu Ray ends up losing the "war", SONY will be blamed for ever for including that thing in the PS3 and making it expensive as hell.

Right now with mobile phones and the PSP people have to buy those expensive memory sticks when there are cheaper things on the market. If HD DVD happens to lose the war, it's still not bad for the 360. People won't say "Damn it! Microsof forced this s*** on me and now I'm stuck with it". I guess microsoft can eventually release a Blu Ray player for the 360 in cases that happens, in some years of course.

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Acutally, no. The graphics may come to be on par, but we don't know, because none of us have sat down in front of a PS3 and mashed it. Also, the PS3's CPU is optimised for many threads, meaning that the gameplay can be much, much better than the 360. Once developers get to learn how to use the new hardware, the games will get very impressive - 360's core is familiar to most because its a standard PPC processor. Want a PPC? get a powermac. PS3's core is entirely new.

If you actually had a read of some interviews with some important game developers youd see that creating multithreaded games is very complicated, coupled with the fact that Sony tools are terribly undocumented i dont see any of the first few generation games being multithreaded. 360s CPU has more in common with the Cell than you like to admit. 3 multithreaded cores means 6 threads, the Cell has an extra thread more, whoopeedoo. If the 360 cpu is just a standard PPC, show me where i could get a multithreaded triple core cpu for my mac please.

The media center argument is stupid - all you're doing is showing how Microsoft are trying to use their Windows monopoly to gain a monopoly on the console market. Actually, the PS3 can stream content from your other computers - it runs Linux, remember, meaning that it can access Windows and mac shared content, and it should be feasible to get a USB TV Tuner and use it as a fully-fledged entertainment centre. Sony are very likely to also distribute software for content streaming for your PC/Mac, to make it interoperable with the PS3. Sony and Apple have a great relationship, so I wouldn't be surprised to see Bonjour support for the PS3.
Never gonna happen, they tried that with the PSX and it failed miserably, i dont see them trying to break into the media playing market, other than blu-ray, anytime soon.
And not only has Sony decided BluRay > HDDVD, but they've made it standard kit, which is better for in-game multimedia content, as well. That's further than Microsoft's commitment to the next generation goes. It means not only that the PS3 is a cheap BluRay player, but that games are better, and people can just pick up a box and go, rather than buy an extra box. Oh, and the 360 uses USB 2.0, and the PS3 uses SATA. The PS3 has a much higher bandwidth connection to its next-gen optical drive, delivering a better experience with much less chance of stuttering and dodgy playback.

Yes Sony included it into the box, big freaking deal, the point is people who buy PS3 are stuck with an expensive optical drive that has drove the price up that they may or may not need, its nice to have the choice. What happens if blu-ray bombs, will you still be complaining when Sony create a HD-DVD drive addon via USB port for the PS3? I think it was a smart move by microsoft, if HD-DVD bombs they wont have a redundant optical drive, they can just create a blu-ray addon and jobs a goodun.

As for the connection, the USB 2.0 port can stream at 480mbps which is 60MB/s, if HD-DVD/Blu-Ray are anything like HDTV streams then we arent in any troubles when it comes to streaming over USB 2.0 because the highest HDTV stream ive seen is 65Mbps which is less than 1/7th connection usage with plenty of bandwidth to spare.

Typical of Sony fanboys, try and pick holes in every little thing to try and make their point.

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eilegz

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Lol, indeed it does. :p

lol anyways i would like to see how much its gonna cost this machine in panama or other latin america country. if 600 for premiu its expensive inmagine here its gonna cost more.

Just giving u a example the x360 here its 1000 dollars but they lowered the price to 700

I dont want to think about ps3 price

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So that 'not being able to upgrade it later' argument is a double-edged sword. If Microsoft comes out with a HDMI cable, Sony can too. If they can't, that leaves Premium PS3 as the only console with HDMI. So if you are going to complain about Core PS3's lack of HDMI, you will also have to complain about Premium 360's lack of HDMI. A Core PS3 would already have more features than a Premium 360. Phew, got all that? Now stop using that argument because it's flawed.

The signals coming out of the video out on the Xbox 360 are rumoured to be analogue (that the right word?), while HDMI requires a digital connection. So, if it isn't a digital connection, you can't connect HDMI, even with a cable. Why would Sony have a HDMI port on the Premium version if they were going to just release a cable that could do it anyway? Chances are its not supported on the motherboard.

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AlphaPrime

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The signals coming out of the video out on the Xbox 360 are rumoured to be analogue (that the right word?), while HDMI requires a digital connection. So, if it isn't a digital connection, you can't connect HDMI, even with a cable. Why would Sony have a HDMI port on the Premium version if they were going to just release a cable that could do it anyway? Chances are its not supported on the motherboard.

Well that's the thing isn't it. PS3 Core has more of a chance of having a HDMI cable than 360 has, so if they manage one on the latter, they should be able to do so on the former. However, I don't see either of them getting cables. Never say never though. A new 360 revision with HDMI would be good.

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-Anthony

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Funny to see that every fan of the Xbox comes here from now and then to bash a console they will probably end up buying. The magic of nature.

:rofl: How do you figure ?

On the general side of things I think if Microsoft doesn't gain a lot of market share in this generation we won't be seeing the xbox again. Seeing as they lost 3.7 billion on the first one. Maybe they should look into buying Nintendo again.

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Bhav

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Funny to see that every fan of the Xbox comes here from now and then to bash a console they will probably end up buying. The magic of nature.

Well it annoys me that people will bash the PS3 (20GB) for not having HDMI because of the issues related to image constrait token, when HD-DVD can implement the exact same thing, and therefore the HD-DVD addon for 360 will be totally useless. I mean totally...at least games on the 20GB PS3 will still be viewable in 720p, 1080i and 1080p (if there are any 1080p games, that is), so there's still a high definition experience to be had. With the HD-DVD addon, say you buy it for your 720p TV...in a few years you have wasted a few hundred $ because it doesn't support a digital connection with HDCP.

Sony probably hope to save money with the 20GB PS3 just because they won't have to supply an HDMI cable (cos they are stupidly expensive), as well as missing out wifi and the memory card reader. The Xbox 360 will never be able to support HDMI properly to satisfy the requirements of ICT. But who knows whether or not the PS3 is still capable of HDMI?

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I am still completely disgusted by Sony's plan to offer different SKUs. Its a complete waste, I was dissapointed when Microsoft offered it and look how the core is doing. I hope this is the last time we see these.

This just isn't the market for these.

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icecaveman

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Bhav the ONLY reson why people complain about it is because Sony claims 720p/1080i isn't true HD and 1080p was supposed to be the most important factor of next generation gaming, 1080p isn't supported via component, it has nothing to do with Microsoft as they never claimed more than they delivered.

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Bhav

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Yes I agree with the part about Sony's claims - I too was totally confused that although they kept pushing HD, 1080p etc. etc., they went and left out something like HDMI, which features HDCP. It's unbelievable that they'd use something without DRM :o

But then I discovered you can still watch movies in 1080p over component.

(And btw, one thing Microsoft did claim and did not deliver was a wireless controller with every Xbox 360 ;))

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Bhav

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You think that the 60GB version will actually include an HDMI cable? I think you're out of your mind!

Yeah I guess you could be right. That would really **** me off. An HDTV and a PS3 is expensive enough.

So very true. They will probably charge $60 for the "official" Sony HDMI cable.

Well, possibly, although you have to admit, Sony is being remotely consumer friendly by allowing you to use any wifi usb adapter, any usb memory card reader and any HDD (as opposed to MS's proprietary wifi adapter and HDD). Hopefully this will transfer over to the HDMI cable too (assuming they don't supply one with the PS3).

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Jeremy1

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I'm sure that you won't be required to use an "official" Sony HDMI cable with the PS3. Technically, they can't even do that. But again, I would put money on there not being an HDMI cable in the box. Consumer electronics devices that actually come with an HDMI cable are the extremely rare exception, not the rule.

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WelshBluebird

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^ Actually you can use many USB WiFi adapters with the 360 aswell...

Where did you hear that? because you can't.

The only USB WiFI adapter you can use with the 360 is the offical MS one, as USB adapters need drivers, and the drivers would need to be written for the Xbox 360, which currently none are, and I doubt MS would allow other companies to produce USB WiFi adapters for the 360, as it would mean MS made less money.

The only things you can plug into the Xbox 360 to make it wireless, is the official MS adapter, and most wireless ethernet bridges.

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