Aero Diamond doesn't exist, is not coming

[SionicIon]

That has been dropped, we're approaching 2 years after that idea was brought into the product. You'd see it in betas by now if it was going to ship for RTM!

wanna know something, you need a highend computer for aero diamond, and vista is already high on the cpu, thats why they could be testing it by professional beta testers who work at Microsoft with highend computers that haven't been released yet!

the image in your sig is a blowen up concept image done obviously with photoshop or along-the-lines of program the same and dosent show any proof or anything, the background image in ur sig is the default wallpaper in 4074 figure how old that is...

hey its from the Windows Vista website!

Ahah!

If you think MS will add a large feature like "vector glass" you must be dreamin man. The development process is near completion, and MS wants to test every bit so that the OS is as much bug-free as thay can. Do you think they will add a complex feature on RC1, and shop it without proper testing?

The thing we can see is a new theme, but even that I doubt, because MS is polishing the current Aero. Why would they polish it, if it was to be dropped? Also, current Aero is everywhere in Vista site and keynotes.

And even if they introduce "vector glass", who gives a damn if it looks the same as current Aero? The thing is that it can scale to large resolutions, being resolution independent.

But you know, we still don't pay taxes for dreaming.

proper testing huh? as i said, professional beta testers can be testing this right now in microsoft labs, aero diamond is way more than wat you said, and aero diamond was way needed in beta 1, when you went over buttons in the titlebar it would flicker, thats because there weren't that many png images, and now aero diamond isn't that different as aero glass...

They've already added a premium theme for MCE+ editions of vista, its called Aero Glass, and its not available in Home Basic.

thats really stupid wat you just said, of course there is, and just shut your trap about MCE, MCE is dropped, now theres only MC not MCE because its not an edition anymore!

[Timothy003]

'Aero Diamond' is a goodie; it does not need to be tested. It's one of the things Microsoft knows already works. Or, at least from what I've heard.

[y_notm]

thats really stupid wat you just said, of course there is, and just shut your trap about MCE, MCE is dropped, now theres only MC not MCE because its not an edition anymore!

OK, fine, you want to get technical. Let's get technical. Media Center is only available on Windows Vista Home Premium and Windows Vista Ultimate, but not in Home Basic. Guess what? Aero Glass isn't available in Home Basic, either, you need Windows Vista Home Premium or higher for it.

How that's not analagous to saying "Aero Glass is a theme that is only available on editions of Windows Vista with Media Center or higher," I just don't know. I won't even bother going into the fact that Windows Vista Home Premium is pretty much analagous to saying Windows Vista Media Center Edition as its the highest level consumer oriented version of Windows (not including Ultimate, which is probably more accurately described as being hobbyist or pro-user oriented).

The whole "Aero Diamond is a theme for Longhorn Media Center Edition" argument stopped making sense when they merged the Media Center application into more than one Vista edition and people need to stop hiding behind it.

Plus, media center is still referred to as MCE by Microsoft themselves (see microsoft.beta.longhorn.mce.* newsgroups)

[WooSH]

Utaks seems pretty confident about this. thats the only reason i have hope in Aero Diamond.

he says he will not repeat it, believe it if u want, otherwise dont. he says AeroDiamond WILL come. period.

i dont know what to believe. just hope that it does come out. and Utaks seems pretty comfident so im gonna go with whatever gives me hope. lol

just a question. do the beta testers that are testing vista right now, get a copy of the final ultimate vista?

they usually give something out.

[Nexus-]

Well i can confirm as a second person that Aero Diamond (read; what people mistakenly call vector glass since its actual name is Aero Diamond as of right now) is still slated to come in vista RTM, if not earlier in a beta build. I could tell you all why or how i know but i just arnt able to reveal that. :whistle: Oh well everyone will see soon enough that utaks (and me) are right.

That has been dropped, we're approaching 2 years after that idea was brought into the product. You'd see it in betas by now if it was going to ship for RTM!

Thats obviously false since its still (presumably/obviously) in the private labs and is not in a beta build yet.

The same goes for animated wallpaper support (still coming as well) which is used for animated Desktop Aurora. which if you applied that against your statement you would also be false

The same finally also goes for sounds (featuring the surround sound bootup/startup sound) which is still coming and if applied to your statement above would also be false.

Got anything else you folks want to know? :laugh:

Edited August 10, 2006 by Nexus-

[jasondefaoite]

Media Center is only available on Windows Vista Home Premium and Windows Vista Ultimate, but not in Home Basic. Guess what? Aero Glass isn't available in Home Basic, either, you need Windows Vista Home Premium or higher for it.

How that's not analagous to saying "Aero Glass is a theme that is only available on editions of Windows Vista with Media Center or higher," I just don't know. I won't even bother going into the fact that Windows Vista Home Premium is pretty much analagous to saying Windows Vista Media Center Edition as its the highest level consumer oriented version of Windows (not including Ultimate, which is probably more accurately described as being hobbyist or pro-user oriented).

Vista Biz edition, which does not contain the media center app, runs Aero Glass fine for me, once the ATI mobility drivers were installed on my laptop.

[SionicIon]

Well i can confirm as a second person that Aero Diamond (read; what people mistakenly call vector glass since its actual name is Aero Diamond as of right now) is still slated to come in vista RTM, if not earlier in a beta build. I could tell you all why or how i know but i just arnt able to reveal that. :whistle: Oh well everyone will see soon enough that utaks (and me) are right.

Thats obviously false since its still (presumably/obviously) in the private labs and is not in a beta build yet.

The same goes for animated wallpaper support (still coming as well) which is used for animated Desktop Aurora. which if you applied that against your statement you would also be false

The same finally also goes for sounds (featuring the surround sound bootup/startup sound) which is still coming and if applied to your statement above would also be false.

Got anything else you folks want to know? :laugh:

I believe it is in the labs because Vista is already high on the CPU, it may not work on all machines causing problems, and most of you think everythings alright until oh no my computer is broken and come crying to the rest of us on these crazy problems that turns into a hot topic because its so hard to help you fix it, professional beta testers in private labs like Nexus said, are testing this on highend computers and when its ready it will be added into Vista... im on Nexus and utaks's side! :) I wonder how Nexus knows its coming?!

[WooSH]

yeah. after reading this thread, i finally though...hey maybe its not coming. but Nexus reminded me that alot of stuff isnt in the beta builds yet

Sounds

Animated Wallpaper

and now...no doubt AeroDiamond.

look....if these guys are REALLY saying something yet they cant say why.....id say its a *hint*.

u no what moment where someone noes something u dont, and their trying REAL hard to tell, u but u just wont listen....well we can wait and it happens. personally im no Professional Beta tester, however im in the Vista Beta, and i wouldnt no anything about AeroDiamond if it werent for ppl on Neowin.

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[Jazket]

thats really stupid wat you just said, of course there is, and just shut your trap about MCE, MCE is dropped, now theres only MC not MCE because its not an edition anymore!

Well he is right; MCE was an upgraded Windows XP Pro version. By reference, when you are installing drivers like NVIDIA ForceWare, you get either XP/2000 or MCE. MCE was still XP Pro but it had some different coding somewhere, which I haven't been able to figure out yet due to lack of interest; But I've seen how both XP Pro and XP MCE act totally different in some aspects; for example installing applications; Installing a game like NFS-MostWanted would require you to enable software compatibility to a lower version of Windows, like 2000 for example, otherwise it wouldn't show up the license agreement files and setup would just close before your eyes. I've experienced many other situations like this when working with both XP Pro and XP MCE.

Future versions of Windows, like Vista, will not be declared as an extended version by only adquiring an extra feature, like MC was under XP Pro for instance; Microsoft is simply reintegrating it all the way it should've been done before; I used to find that promo real silly when MS would come at me saying "either XP Pro or MCE" I was like "what, you're talking about the exact same thing..." wrong in some weird aspect;

So by saying this Windows XP MCE or Media Center Edition would've been the same that saying Windows Vista Ultimate Media Center Edition... Weird huh? Therefore, Media Center, isn't an upgraded Windows version anymore, it's simply an extra feature that will come along with many others on future versions of Windows... Call it Windows Media Player Extended if you want; yes the whole MCE branding is over (thanks God);

Back to Diamond subject; I have short info on this, but I'm guessing Nexus and Utaks have something more to say. Whether they have internal reference to these sort of information (which isn't anything from other Planet) I've got to make myself weird conclusions about Aero Diamond coming from the very first time I heard and got to prove it was Media Center from Windows Longhorn that was codenamed like that; then I heard from Microsoft it wasn't the codename from Windows Longhorn, instead it was the codename of their Rollup Package 2 of Media Center Edition, or Media Center Edition 2005. Finally I got all confused and decided to throw it all to the everglades along with any other speculation regarding the "Aero Diamond" tier...

Lately, I really haven't seen anything that could lead us to blindly believe Microsoft is working on anything this "big" when they're simply running out of time to ship Vista to manufacture on time; Besides the help file is "big mistake" or "big ass typo", and the "Aurora" complements that came out in earlier versions of Windows Vista Installer (5270/5308?). Also what makes me wonder a lot about this is, why Microsoft hasn't said a word about it, whether it was a definitive "YES" or "NO", they haven't simply said anything to stop the rumours, or they simply came up with sense-full quotes like this one:

Diamond was the codename for the Media Center functionality in Vista. Aero is the codename/feature name for the 3D desktop. Looks to me like someone jammed them together.

The only thing left to do is wait for anything bigger than the mess they already created... :no:

Sigh, five years of inadecuate and wrongfully handled hard work... :huh:

[Pimpster]

i like how some people think they know that a certain feature is going to come out. especially when it hasn't been touted as a feature for 2 years, and has not been in any betas.

i really like how some people ask us to trust them that they know for sure that a UI rendered solely with vectors is coming with vista when there isn't any proof whatsoever.

it amuses me.

[HoochieMamma]

Well i can confirm as a second person that Aero Diamond (read; what people mistakenly call vector glass since its actual name is Aero Diamond as of right now) is still slated to come in vista RTM, if not earlier in a beta build. I could tell you all why or how i know but i just arnt able to reveal that. :whistle: Oh well everyone will see soon enough that utaks (and me) are right.

Thats obviously false since its still (presumably/obviously) in the private labs and is not in a beta build yet.

The same goes for animated wallpaper support (still coming as well) which is used for animated Desktop Aurora. which if you applied that against your statement you would also be false

The same finally also goes for sounds (featuring the surround sound bootup/startup sound) which is still coming and if applied to your statement above would also be false.

Got anything else you folks want to know? :laugh:

I'm making a note of everything you say will come in RTM. We will see if you are true soon :shiftyninja:

[Malisk]

is still slated to come in vista RTM, if not earlier in a beta build

They aren't doing anymore beta builds, they're in release candidates. That's one of the major reasons people don't really believe in these things, given what release candidates are and how likely they are to receive any big overhauls in anything but bugs and optimizations. Of course, if what's talked about will end up as a simple skin change, then I guess it's possible, although unusual.

[Jazket]

They aren't doing anymore beta builds, they're in release candidates. That's one of the major reasons people don't really believe in these things, given what release candidates are and how likely they are to receive any big overhauls in anything but bugs and optimizations. Of course, if what's talked about will end up as a simple skin change, then I guess it's possible, although unusual.

Exactly; and if it occurs, it would probably be a Service Pack release whatsoever. I believe Microsoft is tigh by their neck right now; Vista is being handled the wrong way :no: That's what too much beta testing causes; it always has its 50% good and 50% of bad reaction;

[.Neo]

Aero Diamond is coming, look at my sig, thats what Aero Diamond is. Compare that to the current buttons in the titlebar! :)

If anything your sig is an Aero promotional image Microsoft posted on their Windows Vista preview site. It has been there for a while now while newer builds continued to feature slightly tweaked Aero versions. That or the possibility an employee made the image from scratch in a graphics application explains why the title bar glyphs aren't a 1:1 match.

I think it's a bit more plausible than what you're suggesting. ;) :p

[libertas83]

I understand why people think that it would be last minute for them to add some "big" new feature like vector glass, but what if it already is in every build of Vista we have been testing!!!

Ok, people may think I'm crazy. How could they have slipped that in and no one notice? Simple, they have confused people with the terms WPF, Avalon, DWM, WDDM, Aero Glass, Aero Diamond and so on. They have stated that the DWM (the whole 3D desktop thinky) is not the WPF like it was in Longhorn. Well, technically that is true, but its not the full truth.

It is true that the DWM is not managed code and not using xaml, so its not really the WPF. The WPF has vector rendering built in and the part that controls the rendering is called milcore.dll. Guess what! The DWM is built on top of milcore.dll and Aero Glass gets rendered by milcore.dll. Therefore, vector rendering is already built into the OS, its just not used. Check around for one important microsoft blogger who will hint at it like crazy that Vista is capable of vector glass but not enabled.

[ShaneSparky_YYZ]

yeah. after reading this thread, i finally though...hey maybe its not coming. but Nexus reminded me that alot of stuff isnt in the beta builds yet

Sounds

Animated Wallpaper

and now...no doubt AeroDiamond.

look....if these guys are REALLY saying something yet they cant say why.....id say its a *hint*.

u no what moment where someone noes something u dont, and their trying REAL hard to tell, u but u just wont listen....well we can wait and it happens. personally im no Professional Beta tester, however im in the Vista Beta, and i wouldnt no anything about AeroDiamond if it werent for ppl on Neowin.

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Don't forget the bootscreen too, but generally by the book at Beta 2 is what you see is what you get minus the small features. And sounds, bootscreen are last minute addins. I highly doubt a new theme will be added by RTM but you never know. From the past OS betas (98/XP) nothing major was added after the Beta 2's. I'd rather see new themes from MS come every few months for download, rather than just 2-3 at launch and wait till the next OS. My guess that'll be the case and used as an "Ultimate Extra" feature.... time will tell ;)

[WooSH]

what about that whole luna thing? wasnt that added to xp at the last minute?

the Ultimate Extras that they talk about are nothing. i think they are reffering to this.

[Xero]

Just another thing, dropped. Gotta love Vista

[Brandon Live Veteran]

You guys are all nuts.

Lots of things that were considered for Vista didn't make it. Just like I'm sure Apple has considered lots of ideas for OS X, even experimented with some, and then dropped them or punted them to later releases.

[-Anthony]

You guys are all nuts.

Lots of things that were considered for Vista didn't make it. Just like I'm sure Apple has considered lots of ideas for OS X, even experimented with some, and then dropped them or punted them to later releases.

Something tells me to believe you over Nexus. Either way my pc probably can't run Vector Glass.

[Kirkburn]

Either way my pc probably can't run Vector Glass.

If it exists ;)

[WooSH]

techdude6371 has copied and modifed my sig, which i have had well for over 6+ months! Down the DRAIN YOU!!! lol (AeroDiamond ready thingy...)

Ok yes, some things were dropped in Vista, why because they were taking too much of their time, to make and wasnt as easy as it was planned. WinFS was a lot harder so they pushed it back till another service pack. then they realized that it wasnt possbile at all in this time and then they scratched it.

a new theme is not that hard to accomplish. they have put a lot of work in it, and they wont just deminish in now...even tho they have done so in the past.

thats like saying theyre not gonna ship it with a new font because they are having a hard time porting it to vista? wth? its a new theme. vector glass, maybe but its not a full scale change. i can bet my bottom that they have deticated beta testers for this task only.

why else would Utakz and Nexus waste their time and yours trying to give u a *hint*. Obviously they know more than the average person is supposed to. Maybe THEY are the few beta testers testing it. All im saying is that if someone knows something you dont, and he is not allowed to tell u, but is in some way trying to hint at u, theres a meaning behind it.

My Points why AeroDiamond will come out:

1) Utakz and Nexus have both confirmed that they know something that we dont, and cant say it but they do...not creditable, but atleast we should take their word for it.

2) MS THEMSELVES said they were keeping some goodies to them selves, and have proved it by not relasing

- the bootscreen

- animated wallpaper

- sounds

- (see where AeroDiamond fits?)

3) It makes perfect sense to not relase it since, they were pretty dissapointed when people like Jemaho and -Kol (no offense, love ur themes) ported those themes to XP and rendered them useless and not worth it to upgrade since they can get the whole look on Xp. If they release it now, it will only get copied by the hundreds of skin makers out there.

4) MS has follwed this line of path before. Adding Luna to XP in the last minute. Old habits never change...

5) Another thread here on Neowin (will get link soon) quotes a MS representative indirectly stating that a new them will come.

6) MS have said that they will NOT change the UI anymore, yet they scraped 'Scrap Metal' and replaced it with Aero ToGo, or whatever its called.

7) At this current stage, much of the hype for vista is over. Everyone knows, that MS likes to feed the audience more on the Eyecandy side. They will release this in probably RC2 to revive the look and feel of vista.

Feel free to comment, and combat these points. No Flaming. Got nothing nice to say? Shutup. Thank you.

[Dias]

I would like to believe you guys, but MS isn't small enough (like Apple) to keep such a secret. :unsure:

[libertas83]

I would like to believe you guys, but MS isn't small enough (like Apple) to keep such a secret. :unsure:

they haven't kept it secret. If Aero Diamond was released then we all knew it before-hand. We just don't know for sure if it will be in the final or not, but we do know about it.

[Brandon Live Veteran]

Just don't get your hopes up. If there was something else, there isn't now. 'Bout as much as I can say.