Aero Diamond doesn't exist, is not coming

[raskren]

Aero Diamond is coming, look at my sig, thats what Aero Diamond is. Compare that to the current buttons in the titlebar! :)

techdude, that is not Diamond. That's a concept image done up in an illustration package to show off transparency.

Kam Vedbrat, one of the lead DWM/Aero architects had things to say about that image:

http://blogs.msdn.com/kamvedbrat/archive/2.../06/658310.aspx

[rjtd]

I'm alreay seeing the disapointment some will have on the release day.

Also, Luna made it appearence on Beta 2, not RC, and not Gold. So that they could properly test it.

[raskren]

Feel free to comment, and combat these points. No Flaming. Got nothing nice to say? Shutup. Thank you.

Microsoft has to push new themes into the hands of beta testers to ensure a quality product. Luna was not added at the "last minute." It was added at the Beta 2 milestone which gave people ample time to test it out and ensure that it didn't break any applications.

If "Aero Diamond" is as radical as a couple people say it is, it has to be beta tested. Since we haven't seen this supposedly vector driven UI by Beta 2, we will not see it in Windows Vista RTM.

[Long]

Aero Diamond isn't coming. Doesn't mean a 'better' UI isn't coming.

They can always refine Glass ;)

[Digitalx]

glass first appeard in 4074 i think?....

they have been working on it and we're now at 5505 thats like 1,500 builds they have been refining and working on aero glass. to remake this diamond wouldnt be such a small thing. why my doubts are on it.

[libertas83]

I'm alreay seeing the disapointment some will have on the release day.

Also, Luna made it appearence on Beta 2, not RC, and not Gold. So that they could properly test it.

Does anyone realize "vector glass" is just vector graphics, which the WPF does well. Anyone who has used Microsoft Max or any other WPF app has been beta testing vector graphics. Greg Schechter did a Channel 9 video where he stated that the DWM can be made to render in vectors instead of bitmaps if they wished. This is not a huge new feature that is suddenly thrown into Vista, it is already a part of it.

Now the question remains whether MS will actually switch to Vector rendering or not. They already said they won't do vector icons because they are not able to do the designs they are able to do with bitmaps. So they might have decided to not go with vector rendering, but the capability is there for them to switch to it.

[Brandon Live Veteran]

glass first appeard in 4074 i think?....

Heh, that was before the reset

they have been working on it and we're now at 5505 thats like 1,500 builds

:laugh:

[K-illuminati]

glass first appeard in 4074 i think?....

they have been working on it and we're now at 5505 thats like 1,500 builds they have been refining and working on aero glass. to remake this diamond wouldnt be such a small thing. why my doubts are on it.

Nice joke.

Your joking... aren't you?

:|

[Rodrigo]

1,500 builds? I missed a few ones I think.

[WooSH]

rofl. took me some time. i think he means, there are 1500 numbers between those two, which obviosuly everyone can see and doesnt need to be pointed out lol.

[Jazket]

rofl. took me some time. i think he means, there are 1500 numbers between those two, which obviosuly everyone can see and doesnt need to be pointed out lol.

The Dev Teams deploys a new build every DAY at 6:30 am at Redmond Labs.... I'm pretty sure there is about 1500 builds :). You just are not a Developer at Microsoft therefore they will not run to everyone's doors saying how many builds they've deployed so far.

Common sense or Ignorance

[y_notm]

There's nowhere near 1500 builds of Longhorn/Vista. Let's get that clear right now. For much of Longhorn's development builds WERE NOT compiled in main everyday, far from it. Also, builds 4094 - 4999 were never compiled, they were skipped when the project was reset.

[Brandon Live Veteran]

The Dev Teams deploys a new build every DAY at 6:30 am at Redmond Labs.... I'm pretty sure there is about 1500 builds :) . You just are not a Developer at Microsoft therefore they will not run to everyone's doors saying how many builds they've deployed so far.

Common sense or Ignorance

Not quite. No offense, but you're the one speaking from ignorance.

There weren't many 4xxx builds (less than 100 or so probably). The project got reset, and everything basically started over at 5xxx.

There's nowhere near 1500 builds of Longhorn/Vista. Let's get that clear right now. For much of Longhorn's development builds WERE NOT compiled in main everyday, far from it. Also, builds 4094 - 4999 were never compiled, they were skipped when the project was reset.

Asking "how many builds of Vista/Longhorn" there were doesn't really make sense. Part of Vista get compiled every day on dev's boxes. There are dozens of full compiles that happen every day over the various branches.

The actual "official" build numbers are just as hard to track, and a lot depends on the point in development you're talking about.

Reading very much into them from an outside perspective isn't going to gain you any useful insights.

[Nexus-]

You guys are all nuts.

Lots of things that were considered for Vista didn't make it. Just like I'm sure Apple has considered lots of ideas for OS X, even experimented with some, and then dropped them or punted them to later releases.

Wow a ms guy that doesnt know its coming. Sadly ill add you to the list of other ms guys i know who dont know its coming. Facts are they dont want even you guys to know about it ;) thats why its a secret. I dont care how much they deny it to you i just cant say how i know :whistle:

Little birdies are great :D lol

[tomwarren Veteran]

I guess we shall refer to this thread when it doesn't arrive then. Bookmarked.

[User6060]

I guess we shall refer to this thread when it doesn't arrive then. Bookmarked.

For sure, the confidence of Nexus has to stir the curiosity of even the hardest skeptics. I for one believe the conspiracies :shiftyninja: we'll see though. Bookmarked as well

[rjtd]

It's funny that "even MS devs do not know about diamond", but "Joe" Nexus know about it.

For you to know it's comming, you must have seen it. Or was just someone who told you? Well, maybe that "someone" has the same credibility as all the other MS devs that are saying it is not comming. Why is that "bird" so special?

If you saw it, well, please, tell us what are the colours of that Aero Diamond. Is it black? How are the buttons? What is the animated wallpaper they will be using?

Edited August 18, 2006 by rjtd

[-Anthony]

Number one, I've never heard of Vector Glass... what is Vector Glass, are you reffering to Aero Glass? - (I looked at myself and said "you look like an Idiot Jaz"...)

Number two, Aero Diamond... well there is Aero, wich is codename for Vista's UI richness and improvements, and there was Diamond, which I believe was a codename for something else" Then I added: Media Center right?.... and he said "yes, yes that's what it was I believe... but I have no knowledge of anything called Vector Glass being tested right now neither any Aero Diamond... I really don't know"

[#Michael]

Wow a ms guy that doesnt know its coming. Sadly ill add you to the list of other ms guys i know who dont know its coming. Facts are they dont want even you guys to know about it ;) thats why its a secret. I dont care how much they deny it to you i just cant say how i know :whistle:

Little birdies are great :D lol

Nexus I cannot wait to give a list of all the biggest list of **** that you have said through out the vista beta cycle that hasn't come true. You have the biggest mouth I have ever seen. Everyone here will be gloating when you are proven wrong.

[Brandon Live Veteran]

I work in vbl_ux - I think I'd know ;)

[Long]

I work in vbl_ux - I think I'd know ;)

According to Nexus, you're a nobody.

[Tech_Dude_5000]

We're all nobodys... ;)

[ev0|]

half of the rumors got started by people on this site and all the other stupid sites that i cannot mention. Vector Glass, pffft. Desktop Aurora, pfft. Aero Diamond, pffft. How about "Magik Arse Kick" It's coming....

[Nexus-]

I work in vbl_ux - I think I'd know ;)

But you seem to not. I think i could easily find someone else in vbl_ux that doesnt know.

According to Nexus, you're a nobody.

Please quote were i said Brandon is a nobody :angry:

Im not the only one who knows its coming. I know of 4 other people who know its comming (besides ms people).

Edited August 21, 2006 by Nexus-

[Brandon Live Veteran]

:rolleyes: