Recommended Posts

i think they are lying. or this is being worked on at a different secret location on the campus, where selected people work on it, and people dont know about it, except for the ones that are in charge.

if aero diamond is the same looking then why dont they just show screenies of it or confirm it. its not like we can copy it or something in WindowsBlinds. unless its enirely different design, thus can be copied ;)

If it looks the same, then what the heck can "it" be that MS are prepared to ship without any testing in the generally accepted sense (i.e. not by the coders themselves)?

Is "it" some nice new animtions? Fine - thats probably just a little-bit of extra "content" for DWM.

Is "it" a new alternative theme? fine - different content for DWM...

Is "it" a new window-display manager layer. Oh yeah, sure - such things (WindowFX, XGL etc.) have a track-record of 100% compatiblity, MS would have no qualms in obscurring that till gold-day...

:huh:

Sigh... Whoever "they" are, "they" would not be able to work on it in super-secret without the Windows Shell Team knowing.

People just want to blame Microsoft for "cutting" another feature when Vista ships without it. Even though you told them better.

People just want to blame Microsoft for "cutting" another feature when Vista ships without it. Even though you told them better.

Or Nexus just wants to feed his super-large-ego? based on the Utakian Lies? he's heard for months on end. I'm going to be laughing pretty hard when this doesn't come, considering Microsoft employees, and specially even Kam VedBrat, Aero UI designer has already said so, along with others who have already stated there's no such thing.

Get over this.

they too expensive here because the 'name' sells them like why an ipod when u can get a generic cheaper one lol :p ill probably go for like a honda dio or somthing along those lines i dunno about the 'retro' looking ones

http://www.trademe.co.nz/mcat-0001-0026-1255-3909-.htm

look there at the vespa's compared to others.

If/when i get one so gonna call it my 'faggio' :)

Edited by Digix

here is the correct info on Diamond,

Remember when Micorsoft was developing Update Rollup 2 for XP Media Center 2005, the code name for that is Emerald.

Diamond how ever is the code name for the Media Center in Windows Vista, its got nothing to do with the UI but the whole Media Center interface.

There is no Aero Diamond theme for Windows Vista, Diamond is the code name for Vista's Media Center (VMC)

Ok, I think its time for a long post about Aero Diamond because too many people are confusing each other about what it is.

Aero Diamond is a codename for a theme. A theme has skins, wallpapers, cursors, sounds, etc... According to Utaks and Nexus, this theme will include several goodies that we all discuss over and over.

Aero Glass is the frame or border of a window and its rendered using png image files (bitmaps)

Vector Glass is the frame or border of a window and its vector rendered instead of bitmaps.

Something I have posted a few times and have yet to see anyone tear apart my argument is that the current build of Vista you have in your hands has the capability to render vector glass. They are just not using it yet!

Or Nexus just wants to feed his super-large-ego? based on the Utakian Lies? he's heard for months on end. I'm going to be laughing pretty hard when this doesn't come, considering Microsoft employees, and specially even Kam VedBrat, Aero UI designer has already said so, along with others who have already stated there's no such thing.

Reread what Kam VedBrat said, "we elected not to use vectors in how the rendering of the window frames works, for a number of reasons." He does not say it does not exist, he says they are not using it. Its there for them to use it anytime they want.

Hey look at it this way. If developers don't put in our precious theme goodies (this diamond rumor) we can depend on 3rd parties like DesktopX right? That sounds cool, animated fishy wallpapers etc and glowing sparkly folders...

If they DO however make SOMETHING of the sort, let's pray they keep "blue mountain" out of it!

Blue Mountain = -$ for us...

Reread what Kam VedBrat said, "we elected not to use vectors in how the rendering of the window frames works, for a number of reasons." He does not say it does not exist, he says they are not using it. Its there for them to use it anytime they want.

Has he not stated, in frustration because of all the endless speculation, that it was elected not to be used? Defetats the point of it ever existing, and I never said that there was never any such thing, but it's obviously not coming anymore contrary to what people may want to believe.

Any new features after RC1 will probably come in the form of a service pack, like the SP2 update for XP.

They will probably base it off sales in the first year of Vista. When Microsoft says 'Expect good things with RC1" I think they mean it terms of speed and stability and of course further UI niceness. In every build since Beta 2 they have been refining the UI and they may mean that they have finally got where they want to be with the release of RC1.

1.) Microsoft could be working on things all the time that nobody outside Microsoft Labs would know about and won't know about until it goes RTM or even final. Even in todays world, companies can still keep a few secrets. Remember Windows XP and it's UI? Luna didn't show up until RTM and people were like "where the f*** did this come from?"

2.) For anyone who feels the need to brag "I KNOW it's coming, can't say how, but I WILL be proven right at some point" BLAH BLAH. Shut up, seriously it's getting old. When you brag that you have insiders and all this and you've been doing it for months or even years and it's not been proven yet, shut up.

I can see it now. Vista will come out as RTM or final and will include this mind-blowing thing called Diamond that was always heard of but never seen until now. Then all these people that felt the need to brag will be visiting every forum on the internet that has a Vista section trying to take credit for discovering it and saying "See, I told you all it existed and you always called me a liar" BLAH BLAH. It's getting VERY old now.

IMHO, Diamond is nothing more than an extra theme for Vista that may use more slick graphics or 3D effects not found in the default Aero theme. It's already been said in an official Microsoft chat session that "there will be a theme that will blow peoples minds" and "nobody other than the Vista team has seen it".

Stop bragging people. All it does is make you look arrogant and stupid when you end up wrong. I'm not saying anybody is wrong about Diamond. Just saying that when you say you know something, but don't exactly say what it is or how you found out, it just makes you look like you may be making it up. Look at Paul Thurrott, he's always pulling crap out of his butt and looks stupid in the end when he's wrong.

^^ microsoft really isn't stupid enough to bring out an os with a never before seen theme (that even renders windows completely different) without testing it first with the millions of applications there are. We are past beta 2, there will be no new theme, there will be no vector drawn windows and thank god, there will be no animated annoying desktop!

get over it

There will be some nice UI updates before release, but there just wont be vector glass. We need to stop living under this delusion! You'll only be dissapointed.

I cant stand these constant ping-pong comments about vector glass. Even the article posted originally for this topic was pretty unsubstancial, and arguments on the other side are simply delusion, trying as hard as possible to believe 'sources' which are just delusional themselfs. At the end of the day, if Kam VedBrat has denounced the speculation - that should be the end of it. If they want to try as hard to lie about it, then thats extremely unlikely.

I would like to see Frogboy's (Brad Wardell/Stardock) take on this.

His team has been hacking away at builds of Vista that usual testers haven't seen. If there is anything hidden in there interesting, he may be able to hint at it.

Otherwise, I'm with Brandon Live on this.

The NDA stuff I have seen is more to do with media capabilities rather than UI... and as far as I am aware, there isn't much left under NDA.

What is SO WRONG with Aero Glass that you guys would NEED Vector Glass or Diamond or whatever..! More choice? Blah... Just install the Vista release of WindowBlind and have fun.

I would prefer that MS put more time in bug fixing than making another "skin" for Vista.

If someone here knows that a new skin exist, just prove it. Show us, provide source of info. If you have to hide behind NDA... Shut up!

1.) Microsoft could be working on things all the time that nobody outside Microsoft Labs would know about and won't know about until it goes RTM or even final. Even in todays world, companies can still keep a few secrets. Remember Windows XP and it's UI? Luna didn't show up until RTM and people were like "where the f*** did this come from?"

Um... what? Did someone change history and forget to clue me in? Luna debuted before Windows XP hit Beta 2.

But Tom, Media Centre is no longer an additional SKU. In Vista, Media Centre is just another application. How would Microsoft provide an additional theme just for users who install this application? Would people who purchase Vista Ultimate but choose not to install Media Centre get this theme too?

I don't think Aero Diamond is an additional theme. True, it was internally documented, but it could have just been used to codename the UI for the Media Centre application. Since obviously it wasn't Glass, but something that reflected the aesthetics of Aero. And one guy thought it might have been smart to combine "Aero", the general UI aesthetics with "Diamond", the codename for Media Centre.

Forgot to answer this one....

Additional theme as in a theme within Media Center itself. If you look at the visual options in the settings then you'll see there are already 2 additional themes for MCE that aren't in XP MCE.

Forgot to answer this one....

Additional theme as in a theme within Media Center itself. If you look at the visual options in the settings then you'll see there are already 2 additional themes for MCE that aren't in XP MCE.

There are? I'm looking at MCE right now in 5536 and from what I can tell, under Visual and sound effects, there's only MCE standard, high contrast white and high contrast black, all of which I remember being in XP MCE.

There are? I'm looking at MCE right now in 5536 and from what I can tell, under Visual and sound effects, there's only MCE standard, high contrast white and high contrast black, all of which I remember being in XP MCE.

High contrast white and black are not in XP MCE. I have both running so...yea.

This topic is now closed to further replies.
  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Posts

    • My father still uses a programme written in dbase3. Still manages to work with a little help from dosbox. 
    • Microsoft hides these secret Windows 11 performance boost settings available on every PC by Sayan Sen Windows enthusiasts often look for ways to extract as much performance out of their systems as possible, and it's often the case that they try and do so while trying to minimize the heat and power consumption. This is especially relevant in the case of mobile Windows PCs since laptops and notebooks tend to get hot and management of that heat and power is harder in such a form factor. As such users often turn to techniques like under-volting which can be used to squeeze out the maximum capabilities of a chip while also maintaining lowered power levels. There are official apps from AMD and Intel with the likes of Ryzen Master and XTU (Extreme Tuning Utility). While these are quite handy, most enthusiasts probably prefer to dig into the BIOS and play around with settings there like Curve Optimizer on Ryzen, which lets users set various frequency-voltage scaling values. These are essentially called P-States. If you are not familiar with them, Processor Power Management is done through Advanced Configuration and Power Interface (ACPI) P-states and C-states. While P-states or performance pwoer states handle CPU voltage-frequency scaling, C-states deal with CPU sleep states so that some of the CPU functions, which are not necessary at that moment, can be disabled. The P-states and C-states work together to make the processor run more efficiently. It helps the OS and apps determine which cores can be parked and which should be boosted. Of course not every user is an enthusiast or knows the technicalities and integrities of how things like overclocking or undervolting work. Thankfully for them Windows itself offers something pretty cool, though it is hidden by default on all systems. By default, Windows only has two P-States, "Minimum Processor State" and "Maximum Processor State." However, this can be changed with a Registry trick to expand the options under a secret "Processor performance boost mode" dropdown. This essentially enables the HWP or hardware P-States available on a device, and these are not controlled just by the OS itself as the underlying hardware gets involved too. In total there are five Processor Performance Boost Mode profiles that control how Windows requests and allows CPU turbo/boost behavior under the different power policies. They are: Disabled: In this mode, processor boosting is effectively turned off. The CPU will avoid entering turbo or boost frequencies and instead operate closer to its base frequency ceiling. This can significantly reduce power consumption and heat output, but at the cost of reduced burst performance and responsiveness in short workloads. Enabled: This is the standard behavior where boost functionality is allowed under normal conditions. The processor can opportunistically increase frequency when workload demands it, balancing performance gains with power and thermal constraints as managed by the system. Aggressive: Aggressive mode favors performance more heavily, allowing the CPU to enter higher boost states more readily and sustain them longer. This should in theory improve responsiveness under bursty or heavy workloads but increases power draw and thermal output compared to the default enabled behavior. Efficient Enabled: This mode still allows boosting, but with a stronger bias toward energy efficiency. The system attempts to use boost more selectively, avoiding unnecessary frequency spikes when the performance gain is marginal. Efficient Aggressive: This is a hybrid approach where boost is still performance-responsive, but the system continuously weighs efficiency more heavily than in Aggressive mode. It aims to deliver noticeable performance improvements while reducing wasted power in less demanding scenarios. Here's how to enable the Processor performance boost mode: Open Registry Editor: Press Win+R, type regedit, and click OK. Go to: HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Power\PowerSettings\54533251-82be-4824-96c1-47b60b740d00\be337238-0d82-4146-a960-4f3749d470c7 (where HKLM stands for HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE_) Modify the value of Attributes from 1 to 2 (you can find modify option by right-clicking) After that, exit Registry, you should now be able to see the new "Processor performance boost mode" dropdown menu: As you can see there are now five new P-States or CPPC states or power profile available that help define the boost mode processor setting on your PC. Wrapping it up here's a quick run-down of the settings as defined by Microsoft itself. Setting Description Disabled The corresponding P-state-based behaviour is disabled. Collaborative Processor Performance Control (CPPC) behaviour is disabled. Enabled The corresponding P-state-based behaviour is enabled. CPPC behaviour is Efficient Enabled. Aggressive The corresponding P-state-based behaviour is enabled. CPPC behaviour is Aggressive. Efficient Enabled The corresponding P-state-based behaviour is Efficient. CPPC behaviour is Efficient Enabled. Efficient Aggressive The corresponding P-state-based behaviour is Efficient. CPPC behaviour is Aggressive. Aggressive At Guaranteed Windows calculates the desired extra performance above the guaranteed performance level, and asks the processor to deliver that specific performance level. Efficient Aggressive At Guaranteed Windows always asks the processor to deliver the highest possible performance above the guaranteed performance level. In the next part we shall be comparing these settings to explore how much of a benefit or regression they can provide in terms of performance and power efficiency. If you decide to change the values on your system and are experiencing problems like crashes or an overheating PC, make sure to revert the steps back to the original state.
    • I think he means you haven't reviewed previous UFC games. Of course it doesn't matter... Every time you just report on something that involves the President even if just simply what happened you guys usually get accused of being anti-Trump. We live in fun times.
    • So how did you solve the problem? Disabling Secure Boot isn’t a solution.
  • Recent Achievements

    • One Month Later
      Leroy Jethro Gibbs earned a badge
      One Month Later
    • Conversation Starter
      flexorcist earned a badge
      Conversation Starter
    • One Month Later
      AndreaB earned a badge
      One Month Later
    • One Month Later
      agatameier earned a badge
      One Month Later
    • Week One Done
      agatameier earned a badge
      Week One Done
  • Popular Contributors

    1. 1
      +primortal
      518
    2. 2
      +Edouard
      198
    3. 3
      PsYcHoKiLLa
      147
    4. 4
      ATLien_0
      93
    5. 5
      Steven P.
      77
  • Tell a friend

    Love Neowin? Tell a friend!