Aero Diamond doesn't exist, is not coming

[Mugwump00]

i think they are lying. or this is being worked on at a different secret location on the campus, where selected people work on it, and people dont know about it, except for the ones that are in charge.

if aero diamond is the same looking then why dont they just show screenies of it or confirm it. its not like we can copy it or something in WindowsBlinds. unless its enirely different design, thus can be copied ;)

If it looks the same, then what the heck can "it" be that MS are prepared to ship without any testing in the generally accepted sense (i.e. not by the coders themselves)?

Is "it" some nice new animtions? Fine - thats probably just a little-bit of extra "content" for DWM.

Is "it" a new alternative theme? fine - different content for DWM...

Is "it" a new window-display manager layer. Oh yeah, sure - such things (WindowFX, XGL etc.) have a track-record of 100% compatiblity, MS would have no qualms in obscurring that till gold-day...

:huh:

[Brandon Live Veteran]

Sigh... Whoever "they" are, "they" would not be able to work on it in super-secret without the Windows Shell Team knowing.

[-Anthony]

Sigh... Whoever "they" are, "they" would not be able to work on it in super-secret without the Windows Shell Team knowing.

People just want to blame Microsoft for "cutting" another feature when Vista ships without it. Even though you told them better.

[cpu killer]

People just want to blame Microsoft for "cutting" another feature when Vista ships without it. Even though you told them better.

Or Nexus just wants to feed his super-large-ego? based on the Utakian Lies? he's heard for months on end. I'm going to be laughing pretty hard when this doesn't come, considering Microsoft employees, and specially even Kam VedBrat, Aero UI designer has already said so, along with others who have already stated there's no such thing.

Get over this.

[Digitalx]

yup i doubt billy or balmer are working on it secretly either hiding it from Aero design team :huh:

[Tech_Dude_5000]

man, this keeps making me think of switching to mac and just use boot camp with XP or even vista ( if it's surported )

too many crazy stuff happening in the windows world....

[Digitalx]

yeah i will be going that path too when i can afford it .. gotta buy me a moped scoota first :D which is like 1,000$ cheaper then an imac here :huh:

[Tech_Dude_5000]

why not a vespa?

[Digitalx]

they too expensive here because the 'name' sells them like why an ipod when u can get a generic cheaper one lol :p ill probably go for like a honda dio or somthing along those lines i dunno about the 'retro' looking ones

http://www.trademe.co.nz/mcat-0001-0026-1255-3909-.htm

look there at the vespa's compared to others.

If/when i get one so gonna call it my 'faggio' :)

Edited August 23, 2006 by Digix

[Robbie Ride]

here is the correct info on Diamond,

Remember when Micorsoft was developing Update Rollup 2 for XP Media Center 2005, the code name for that is Emerald.

Diamond how ever is the code name for the Media Center in Windows Vista, its got nothing to do with the UI but the whole Media Center interface.

There is no Aero Diamond theme for Windows Vista, Diamond is the code name for Vista's Media Center (VMC)

[SionicIon]

We get it, but what about Vector Glass?

[libertas83]

Ok, I think its time for a long post about Aero Diamond because too many people are confusing each other about what it is.

Aero Diamond is a codename for a theme. A theme has skins, wallpapers, cursors, sounds, etc... According to Utaks and Nexus, this theme will include several goodies that we all discuss over and over.

Aero Glass is the frame or border of a window and its rendered using png image files (bitmaps)

Vector Glass is the frame or border of a window and its vector rendered instead of bitmaps.

Something I have posted a few times and have yet to see anyone tear apart my argument is that the current build of Vista you have in your hands has the capability to render vector glass. They are just not using it yet!

Or Nexus just wants to feed his super-large-ego? based on the Utakian Lies? he's heard for months on end. I'm going to be laughing pretty hard when this doesn't come, considering Microsoft employees, and specially even Kam VedBrat, Aero UI designer has already said so, along with others who have already stated there's no such thing.

Reread what Kam VedBrat said, "we elected not to use vectors in how the rendering of the window frames works, for a number of reasons." He does not say it does not exist, he says they are not using it. Its there for them to use it anytime they want.

[Izlude]

Hey look at it this way. If developers don't put in our precious theme goodies (this diamond rumor) we can depend on 3rd parties like DesktopX right? That sounds cool, animated fishy wallpapers etc and glowing sparkly folders...

If they DO however make SOMETHING of the sort, let's pray they keep "blue mountain" out of it!

Blue Mountain = -$ for us...

[cpu killer]

Reread what Kam VedBrat said, "we elected not to use vectors in how the rendering of the window frames works, for a number of reasons." He does not say it does not exist, he says they are not using it. Its there for them to use it anytime they want.

Has he not stated, in frustration because of all the endless speculation, that it was elected not to be used? Defetats the point of it ever existing, and I never said that there was never any such thing, but it's obviously not coming anymore contrary to what people may want to believe.

[Steven P. Administrators]

Any new features after RC1 will probably come in the form of a service pack, like the SP2 update for XP.

They will probably base it off sales in the first year of Vista. When Microsoft says 'Expect good things with RC1" I think they mean it terms of speed and stability and of course further UI niceness. In every build since Beta 2 they have been refining the UI and they may mean that they have finally got where they want to be with the release of RC1.

[NightmarE D]

1.) Microsoft could be working on things all the time that nobody outside Microsoft Labs would know about and won't know about until it goes RTM or even final. Even in todays world, companies can still keep a few secrets. Remember Windows XP and it's UI? Luna didn't show up until RTM and people were like "where the f*** did this come from?"

2.) For anyone who feels the need to brag "I KNOW it's coming, can't say how, but I WILL be proven right at some point" BLAH BLAH. Shut up, seriously it's getting old. When you brag that you have insiders and all this and you've been doing it for months or even years and it's not been proven yet, shut up.

I can see it now. Vista will come out as RTM or final and will include this mind-blowing thing called Diamond that was always heard of but never seen until now. Then all these people that felt the need to brag will be visiting every forum on the internet that has a Vista section trying to take credit for discovering it and saying "See, I told you all it existed and you always called me a liar" BLAH BLAH. It's getting VERY old now.

IMHO, Diamond is nothing more than an extra theme for Vista that may use more slick graphics or 3D effects not found in the default Aero theme. It's already been said in an official Microsoft chat session that "there will be a theme that will blow peoples minds" and "nobody other than the Vista team has seen it".

Stop bragging people. All it does is make you look arrogant and stupid when you end up wrong. I'm not saying anybody is wrong about Diamond. Just saying that when you say you know something, but don't exactly say what it is or how you found out, it just makes you look like you may be making it up. Look at Paul Thurrott, he's always pulling crap out of his butt and looks stupid in the end when he's wrong.

[XerXis]

^^ microsoft really isn't stupid enough to bring out an os with a never before seen theme (that even renders windows completely different) without testing it first with the millions of applications there are. We are past beta 2, there will be no new theme, there will be no vector drawn windows and thank god, there will be no animated annoying desktop!

get over it

[DG55]

There will be some nice UI updates before release, but there just wont be vector glass. We need to stop living under this delusion! You'll only be dissapointed.

I cant stand these constant ping-pong comments about vector glass. Even the article posted originally for this topic was pretty unsubstancial, and arguments on the other side are simply delusion, trying as hard as possible to believe 'sources' which are just delusional themselfs. At the end of the day, if Kam VedBrat has denounced the speculation - that should be the end of it. If they want to try as hard to lie about it, then thats extremely unlikely.

[Septimus]

I would like to see Frogboy's (Brad Wardell/Stardock) take on this.

His team has been hacking away at builds of Vista that usual testers haven't seen. If there is anything hidden in there interesting, he may be able to hint at it.

Otherwise, I'm with Brandon Live on this.

The NDA stuff I have seen is more to do with media capabilities rather than UI... and as far as I am aware, there isn't much left under NDA.

[Jason]

I say put up or shut up!

If someone has proof of such features proove it and with out the use of the word "sources" as that means f**k all.

[TruckWEB]

What is SO WRONG with Aero Glass that you guys would NEED Vector Glass or Diamond or whatever..! More choice? Blah... Just install the Vista release of WindowBlind and have fun.

I would prefer that MS put more time in bug fixing than making another "skin" for Vista.

If someone here knows that a new skin exist, just prove it. Show us, provide source of info. If you have to hide behind NDA... Shut up!

[y_notm]

1.) Microsoft could be working on things all the time that nobody outside Microsoft Labs would know about and won't know about until it goes RTM or even final. Even in todays world, companies can still keep a few secrets. Remember Windows XP and it's UI? Luna didn't show up until RTM and people were like "where the f*** did this come from?"

Um... what? Did someone change history and forget to clue me in? Luna debuted before Windows XP hit Beta 2.

[tomwarren Veteran]

But Tom, Media Centre is no longer an additional SKU. In Vista, Media Centre is just another application. How would Microsoft provide an additional theme just for users who install this application? Would people who purchase Vista Ultimate but choose not to install Media Centre get this theme too?

I don't think Aero Diamond is an additional theme. True, it was internally documented, but it could have just been used to codename the UI for the Media Centre application. Since obviously it wasn't Glass, but something that reflected the aesthetics of Aero. And one guy thought it might have been smart to combine "Aero", the general UI aesthetics with "Diamond", the codename for Media Centre.

Forgot to answer this one....

Additional theme as in a theme within Media Center itself. If you look at the visual options in the settings then you'll see there are already 2 additional themes for MCE that aren't in XP MCE.

[y_notm]

Forgot to answer this one....

Additional theme as in a theme within Media Center itself. If you look at the visual options in the settings then you'll see there are already 2 additional themes for MCE that aren't in XP MCE.

There are? I'm looking at MCE right now in 5536 and from what I can tell, under Visual and sound effects, there's only MCE standard, high contrast white and high contrast black, all of which I remember being in XP MCE.

[tomwarren Veteran]

There are? I'm looking at MCE right now in 5536 and from what I can tell, under Visual and sound effects, there's only MCE standard, high contrast white and high contrast black, all of which I remember being in XP MCE.

High contrast white and black are not in XP MCE. I have both running so...yea.