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Resizing is STILL slow and ugly. I don't understand how they can accept black bars to show when you resize things like media player or white bars when you resize other windows like windows explorer. And the flickering that happens when you resize windows like windows dvd maker!

Ya i hear ya. I hate that too. Why can't the glass stay when you maxmize a window. or a least polish up the black for christ sake :angry:

For someone complaining about cosmetics, you sure make a big deal about not "seeing" the things you want in Vista ;) . What ARE you looking for? New built-in applications? Animations? Or a whole new way of working with windows?

Is the increased security not worth the switch? The increased performance in window handling? New audio and network stacks for increased performance?

well that person must want the 4xxx days. when all it was was like Windows xp second edition. same look just mod. a black luna. a few new features nothing fancy...

he might as well bulid a time machine and trival ahead 3-4 years from now and get viena. that will feature a"whole new look" the code i heard may be rewriten and bulit from scratch...

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Hurmoth

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No Build 5536 on my nForce 4 Based Computer (Microsoft says its an nForce 4 Issue) :huh:

I get this BSOD when installation is copying files @ about 20 odd %

That's crazy because I have an nForce 4 board and have no problems whatsoever :ermm:

Quick Specs brought to you by CPU-Z:

MSI nForce 4 (model MS-7125)

AMD Athlon 4400+ (939) - Toledo

2GB PC3200 RAM (Corsair)

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Even that is a bit of an exagguration; they replaced the DisplayPostscript with Display PDF; they took out the 'manual management' pieces from Classic and renamed it carbon; alot of crap that is in MacOS X is merely a rehash of what was already in NeXT Step, except changed around a bit to fit into the whole "Mac way of doing things".

The first version of MacOS X was merely Darwin + DisplayPost script with a desktop written in Cocoa using many parts of from NeXT Step:

Macosxserver1.png

I remember that. that wa years the OS that i "loved" when i first started in computers when i was 9. ( 7 years ago ) along with the old imac G3...

though thats not the first mac OSX. this is mac OS. mac OSX premired in 2001 almost near the xp relase date.plus mac osx had polished some stuff up a bit and included a blue or sliver apple, not the rainbow... along with a few other GUI features..

Grand Master

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That's crazy because I have an nForce 4 board and have no problems whatsoever :ermm:

How much RAM do you have Hurmoth?

-I have 3GB (2x Geil 1GB and 2x Geil 512MB - same type and same latencies) Running at DDR 400 / 2T.

-AMD X2 4200

-ASUS A8N SLI

Could my RAM be causing the problems?

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Now that wasn't nice, I have a 5 in a half year old computer, and its a pentium 4 1.70 ghz processor, 512 megabytes of ram, nd a nVidia Geforce FX 5600 (i upgraded it with all my money, it had a nVidia Geforce 2 MX 400)... :angry:

*shudder* thats almost as hideous as the iMac G5 ( 1.8Ghz, 20inch, GeForce FX 5200 ) I have.

Oh well, I've got my stuff lined up; A Dell laptop, hopefully by then it'll have either a Nvidia or Intel 965 graphics chip - no, I don't do Ati; their drivers are ****, their support for alternative operating systems has the arrogance equal to that of the french. The desktop, a Dimension 9200 :) Core 2 Duo, 2.4Ghz :)

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That's crazy because I have an nForce 4 board and have no problems whatsoever :ermm:

I did an upgrade and clean install on an Asus nForce 4 system a few hours ago with this build, no problems at all.

As per usual the Vista novelty wore off within an hour and I'm on a freshly formatted XP install now. All it takes is one annoyance to ruin the entire build for me enough to head back to XP.

My system was a surprising 4.9 on the Microsoft awesome-ness scale. 4200+, 2GB DDR, 7200.10 and Diamondmax 10, X800XL

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Hurmoth

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How much RAM do you have Hurmoth?

I have 3GB Running at DDR 400 / 2T. Perhaps that's causing all the problems?

I edited the my previous post with my specs... but I only have 2GB of RAM at DDR400. It's possible that it could be RAM. I had a lot of RAM problems in the earlier builds of the beta, and even with the Longhorn builds so many years ago (WinHEC 2004/2005).

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I remember that. that wa years the OS that i "loved" when i first started in computers when i was 9. ( 7 years ago ) along with the old imac G3...

though thats not the first mac OSX. this is mac OS. mac OSX premired in 2001 almost near the xp relase date.plus mac osx had polished some stuff up a bit and included a blue or sliver apple, not the rainbow... along with a few other GUI features..

OS X was first, nearly a month ahead.

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Hurmoth

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I did an upgrade and clean install on an Asus nForce 4 system a few hours ago with this build, no problems at all.

As per usual the Vista novelty wore off within an hour and I'm on a freshly formatted XP install now. All it takes is one annoyance to ruin the entire build for me enough to head back to XP.

My system was a surprising 4.9 on the Microsoft awesome-ness scale. 4200+, 2GB DDR, 7200.10 and Diamondmax 10, X800XL

What was the once annoyance? :p

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kaiwai

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because people want All-In-One

Na, its more Murphey's law, its almost a certaintity, you go for the cheaper one, and find that a few months down the track, there will be a feature in the higher version that you would have found useful OR you end up finding that a piece of software comes out requiring a minimum of Windows Vista Ultimate.

I did the same thing when I bought a mobile, I didn't see a need for a camera at that moment, but now, having used it heaps, I see the usefulness of a camera in a mobile phone; its about future proofiing.

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I edited the my previous post with my specs... but I only have 2GB of RAM at DDR400. It's possible that it could be RAM. I had a lot of RAM problems in the earlier builds of the beta, and even with the Longhorn builds so many years ago (WinHEC 2004/2005).

Weird. My RAM is all brand new. Maybe I should do a Memtest on it?

I seem to have the worst luck with Vista.

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Hurmoth

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Weird. My RAM is all brand new. Maybe I should do a Memtest on it?

I seem to have the worst luck with Vista.

Yeah I would do a memtest for sure, just to be sure it isn't your RAM. Hopefully it is, if your RAM is brand new it should be easy to get replaced.

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Then one would assume that they would backup before they upgraded; correct?

You can't just make that assumption and assume it applies to most people.

And the backup files thing is set up at the beginning because it's a set-and-forget thing. Maybe you want it to automatically back up 'Documents'.

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Anyone tried this on a ASRock 939Dual yet? Does the networking work?????

Hey - an update to my previous post. I just booted up Vista 5536 and the Uli Ethernet Controller drivers were installed automatically, and are verion 5.1.2600.383 (the previous one was 5.1.2600.351 that was included in the integrated 2.20 package) and right as I first went into the desktop it was automatically downloading and installing auomatic updates. So this is good news for me, the only thing left to install is my SoundBlaster Live! card and some cryptic PCI input card which I have no idea about... (might be the game port on the SoundBlaster card though)

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kaiwai

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I remember that. that wa years the OS that i "loved" when i first started in computers when i was 9. ( 7 years ago ) along with the old imac G3...

though thats not the first mac OSX. this is mac OS. mac OSX premired in 2001 almost near the xp relase date.plus mac osx had polished some stuff up a bit and included a blue or sliver apple, not the rainbow... along with a few other GUI features..

Yes, it was the first MacOS X; the first version that came out was MacOS X Server 1.0; it had no Carbon IIRC, no classic environment, it was a port of NeXT Step and Macalised to server requirements. The server version was released first, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_Server_1.0, it was released in 1999, 2 years before MacOS X Client; Steve Jobs demostrated it with Netboot images hosted on a MacOS X Server 1.0 server and a big wall of iMac's loading simultaneously off the server.

http://web.archive.org/web/19990508003950/.../macosx/server/

http://www.stepwise.com/Articles/FirstImpr...ntro/index.html

You can't just make that assumption and assume it applies to most people.

And the backup files thing is set up at the beginning because it's a set-and-forget thing. Maybe you want it to automatically back up 'Documents'.

Which is based on the assumption that the individual in question knows the value of having an external storage device - if they do, then they would also would have been wise enough to backup before upgrading and backup on a regular basis; for me, all my documents reside on my thumb drive, and as for my mp3 collection, I don't care, I have the original cds, so it isn't too much of an effort to re-rip them :p

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Hey - an update to my previous post. I just booted up Vista 5536 and the Uli Ethernet Controller drivers were installed automatically, and are verion 5.1.2600.383 (the previous one was 5.1.2600.351 that was included in the integrated 2.20 package) and right as I first went into the desktop it was automatically downloading and installing auomatic updates. So this is good news for me, the only thing left to install is my SoundBlaster Live! card and some cryptic PCI input card which I have no idea about... (might be the game port on the SoundBlaster card though)

Thanks for the update. That unknown pci device is usually the SB game port.

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Dias

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My screenshots (the second one is "new" bootscreen):

http://www.cgreality.com/files/vista_5536/installation_1.jpg

http://www.cgreality.com/files/vista_5536/installation_2.jpg

http://www.cgreality.com/files/vista_5536/installation_3.jpg

http://www.cgreality.com/files/vista_5536/desktop_1.jpg

http://www.cgreality.com/files/vista_5536/desktop_2.jpg

http://www.cgreality.com/files/vista_5536/desktop_3.jpg

http://www.cgreality.com/files/vista_5536/desktop_4.jpg

http://www.cgreality.com/files/vista_5536/desktop_5.jpg

http://www.cgreality.com/files/vista_5536/desktop_6.jpg

http://www.cgreality.com/files/vista_5536/desktop_7.jpg

http://www.cgreality.com/files/vista_5536/desktop_8.jpg

http://www.cgreality.com/files/vista_5536/desktop_9.jpg

Grand Master

PGHammer

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I did an upgrade and clean install on an Asus nForce 4 system a few hours ago with this build, no problems at all.

As per usual the Vista novelty wore off within an hour and I'm on a freshly formatted XP install now. All it takes is one annoyance to ruin the entire build for me enough to head back to XP.

My system was a surprising 4.9 on the Microsoft awesome-ness scale. 4200+, 2GB DDR, 7200.10 and Diamondmax 10, X800XL

And what was your annoyance, sir?

You stated that a particular annoyance sent you retreating back to XP; what was the annoyance in question?

In the case of 5472, I had been using it in semi-production mode (as much as possible, using the same applications I would use, and doing the same tasks), and it actually mostly trumped XP. I now have 5536 in its place. and stability is up over even 5472 (unlike 5472, 5536 installed with no histrionics).

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