Mac OS X 'Leopard'-related Discussion

[BlueFiberOptics]

Is the GM of Leopard supposed to be a standard 4.7 GB DVD or is it going to be a dual-layer disk? Of the three betas I have played with, all three were on dual-layer discs.

It will most likely be a DL disk.

[RadishTM Veteran]

Is there a reason why my post was deleted?

Yes, because at Neowin we don't advocate piracy.

Radish?

[Damian]

UK store is down...

-Rich-

Every store is down

[giga Veteran]

Every store is down

Not US store.

[Cormier6083]

Yes, because at Neowin we don't advocate piracy.

Radish?[/quoBurned.

American store seems to be up...

[richardsim7]

Interesting...I'm excited but I know I shouldn't be :(

Grr, it only appears to be european stores that are down, stupid iPhone.. :(

-Rich-

[Damian]

Not US store.

Only stores in Europe are down i guess.

[andrew_f]

Really wish I had some spare cash :(

[SoapyHamHocks Member]

I'm fully aware of that, I did not do anything other than answer his question. I fail to see how that encourages piracy. If I ask how big a XBOX360/PS3 game is does that imply that I mean to pirate it?

[SnowRanger13]

Is the GM of Leopard supposed to be a standard 4.7 GB DVD or is it going to be a dual-layer disk? Of the three betas I have played with, all three were on dual-layer discs.

The builds that were available for developer download were all between 6 and 7 GBs so unless they did some extra compression my guess would be Dual Layer.

[CPressland]

Hey guys, sorry for going off-topic but i've got a quick question. When my leopard disc arives in a few days i'll be making a Backup disc of it to take around with me and whatnot (i'm pretty sure thats legal).

Anyway, I just read THIS and was wondering if the same method would work with Leopard? as it's far easier for me to keep a leopard restore disc on a 2.5" external hard drive. I take my hard drive everywhere so it'd just make sense.

So, questions are, Do you think this can be done with Leopard DVDs? Can Macs boot from USB Hard Drives?

I know this looks like piracy, and I did hesitate to post it because i'm sure someone will mention that i'm *only going to download leopard* but believe me, Leopard is something worth paying for.

[giga Veteran]

Hey guys, sorry for going off-topic but i've got a quick question. When my leopard disc arives in a few days i'll be making a Backup disc of it to take around with me and whatnot (i'm pretty sure thats legal).

Anyway, I just read THIS and was wondering if the same method would work with Leopard? as it's far easier for me to keep a leopard restore disc on a 2.5" external hard drive. I take my hard drive everywhere so it'd just make sense.

So, questions are, Do you think this can be done with Leopard DVDs? Can Macs boot from USB Hard Drives?

I know this looks like piracy, and I did hesitate to post it because i'm sure someone will mention that i'm *only going to download leopard* but believe me, Leopard is something worth paying for.

It'll work with Leopard just fine--but not with your USB external. A startup disk from an external has to be from firewire.

edit: i just read that hint. don't do it that way.

http://guides.macrumors.com/Installing_Mac...0.4_without_DVD

[Fagutish]

Interesting...I'm excited but I know I shouldn't be :(

Grr, it only appears to be european stores that are down, stupid iPhone.. :(

-Rich-

Funny you say that im not excited at all about leopard anymore. i wasnt excited about Vista either really but that was mostly cause i was beta testing and that took out all the mystery. Leopard seems to be more of a refinement of the current Tiger foundation rather than an overhaul under the hood like steve jobs implied here

Maybe theres more going on than we have been told but still its a .1 update and the well all be cashing in the 130 cause the 3rd party apps slowly stop working for previous versions of OS X when a new one is released.

[richardsim7]

It's back up, I don't see a difference :s

And no, i'm trying not to get excited because i'm trying not to get my hopes up incase a new macbook doesn't arrive soon :(

-Rich-

[jasondefaoite]

It'll work with Leopard just fine--but not with your USB external. A startup disk from an external has to be from firewire.

edit: i just read that hint. don't do it that way.

http://guides.macrumors.com/Installing_Mac...0.4_without_DVD

Actually intel macs can boot from a USB2 drive.

[CPressland]

Yeah, i'm sure I read somewhere that it can be done....

Oh well, if not then it looks like i'll have a 250GB USB 2.5" drive for sale on ebay sometime soon.

Thanks anyway guys :)

[1ceman]

Hey guys, Me and my roomates all have macs and thought it would be cheaper to buy the family pack. Is there gonna be a problem with all of us having different addresses because we are in school and our permanent addresses are different.

Thanks

[richardsim7]

I doubt there will be a problem, Apple don't require activation with their products, it's all based on a user trust system, so it's up to you whether you obey the law :)

-Rich-

[Xero]

Funny you say that im not excited at all about leopard anymore. i wasnt excited about Vista either really but that was mostly cause i was beta testing and that took out all the mystery. Leopard seems to be more of a refinement of the current Tiger foundation rather than an overhaul under the hood like steve jobs implied here

Maybe theres more going on than we have been told but still its a .1 update and the well all be cashing in the 130 cause the 3rd party apps slowly stop working for previous versions of OS X when a new one is released.

There's actually more under Leopard's hood then you seem to believe, if you read up on it before you'd see it has a much stronger foundation then Tiger, they also adjusted their filesystem to properly support time machine which is quite detailed to if you took the time to read it. Not to mention for improved spotlight support, the addition of core animation, a useful integration of multiple desktops or virtual something Microsoft hasn't been able to do. Quick Look, allows you to view nearly any file type (its 3rd party friendly) instantly in fullscreen, movie, image, document, windows can't give you that. They even went as far to update programs to take advantage of the all the multi-core processors they've been using, it would come in handy when copying/cutting/moving files of Vista.

Besides what is a new operating system anyways? Lets see, updated core? check, updates to key software? check, bundles of new features that make both the user's and developer's happy, check, if this isn't considered a new os, then take the price tag into consideration, you get all this for cheaper than Vista Basic. Everyone says you get what you pay for, in this case, your getting a lot more than you pay would normally pay for *cough* vista

Btw, how many of those key requirements did vista miss? anyone

[giga Veteran]

Macrumors has posted some early reports. (iMac--upgraded from Tiger):

• All my applications and settings were retained

• Time Machine asked me on the first time I started in leopard, which of my five external Hard Drives should be used for backups. I didn't have to configure anything else

• When I started Mail for the first time, it had to upgrade the mail database. After that, Mail is blazing fast!

• I told Mail to import my RSS Feeds from Safari but that didn't work!

• Reading RSS in Mail is nice to have

• Tasks in Mail appear even if completed. That might be a bit distracting for some people

• Mail is FAST! Seeing is believing!

• Finder: Well, the first time it ran, it hanged! After killing the process, I was amazed by the speed and coverflow!

• Quick View: COOL - GREAT FEATURE

• Safari is blazing fast!

• .mac has the option to synchronize settings and Dock items

• Stacks: I am not impressed. I like the downloads stack though. I had to manually change the path in Mail and Safari though!

• Spaces: I created 4 Spaces and I find it a very cool feature, especially the live ala expose preview

• Applications start instantly, especially iLife and iWork!

• iCal is much better. There is an inline editor and an event drop box now

• Contacts is more or less the same

• iTunes seems much faster than before

Glad to see so many speed improvements--looking forward to a fast mail, finder, and safari. Still though--I recommend a clean or archive/install. ;)

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=373669

[Timan Veteran]

Time Machine over Airport Extreme doesn't seem to be working right now, doesn't want to mount any of the drive(s) plugged into the router.

[Fagutish]

Though im glad youve shed some light on what has changed under the hood for Leopard you didnt need to needlessly bash vista while doing it. I didn't mean to rile up your feathers i know Leopard is a significant update to Tiger but i was refering to the core foundation of the OS like the 64-bit support and multi-threading of core processes not stuff like patching the filesystem for Time Machine.

[Oh yeah, Time machine has had a microsoft counter part since Server 2003 its called Previous Version (look under a folder's properties) though that (and time machine) are useless for me as i have no space to make backups.]

Its nice that they upped the performance on the User-level apps (like Mail.app and Safari) but its kindof ridiculous that we have to pay for the update. Dont get me wrong though i agree with you on the value of the software you get when you buy the box BUT. i dont know if its worth paying for these minor implementations and improvements when Microsoft doles these out for free as "Service Packs" etc.

For me its been a weird calculation of value. I had an HP laptop with XP and a PBG4 12" with 10.3 in 2004. Now for the HP laptop i have yet to pay a single dolar for an OS update (id be insane to install Vista on it) and now i have the latest IE/WMP (both are slightly worse than their counterparts in Vista but not by an obvious amount) and all the performance/security updates for XP. on the other hand i paid 130USD for the Tiger update and now im about shell out another 130 for Leopard (i probably wont actually if it doesnt support Classic does anyone know if it does?) Lets be honest here. i dont use the HP laptop anymore and barely use the 12" PB so technically i just paid for Tiger and sure, it was worth it.

I love Spotlight, but if you asked me what else changed for me (aside from the ridiculous speed boost) after upgrading i woudlnt be able to remember (i hate dashboard/sidebar-esque stuff). funny stuff considering the 100s of features marketing scheme apple uses.

I dont have a choice but to pay for this upgrade really for my Macbook Pro cause Apple just spat on all Tiger-based Boot Camp users-to-be.

(Not to start another flaming reply but.. Is Core animation like WindowsGraphicsFoundation on Vista with OpenGL instead of DX9?)

[Timan Veteran]

For those wondering, you can replace the dock when its at the bottom with the sidebar one.

[osirisX]

Is the flat Dock accessible by System Preferences or do you have to fiddle with Terminal? Oh and I still love the 3D Dock on all sides :)

[zhangm Supervisor]

Its nice that they upped the performance on the User-level apps (like Mail.app and Safari) but its kindof ridiculous that we have to pay for the update. Dont get me wrong though i agree with you on the value of the software you get when you buy the box BUT. i dont know if its worth paying for these minor implementations and improvements when Microsoft doles these out for free as "Service Packs" etc.

(Not to start another flaming reply but.. Is Core animation like WindowsGraphicsFoundation on Vista with OpenGL instead of DX9?)

First of all, its the Mac forums, some of them can't help it.

The other thing is that Microsoft's Service Packs are meant to only be an easily deployable conglomeration of updates - and not top secret ones either, they're mostly the same ones available on Windows Update. A lot of people were spoiled by SP2 for XP, and they're probably going to be let down by SP3.