Mac OS X 'Leopard'-related Discussion

[furby]

Ye, you can do text chat with ichat but not voice or video that's what I was trying to check. They are greyed out in 10.4

[fishrman]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that as soon as you make a change to the filesystem (i.e., addition of a file), Time Machine saves the change to the backup list. I haven't been paying very close attention to it, as it's very hassle-free, but it seems to go on often enough when I'm, saving downloads, etc. Now it might not be instantaneous, but it seems fairly quick. I'll have to test this.

But I'm glad you mentioned this point.

I haven't been on 9a466 in what seems like quite some time; it might be that perhaps it does it in 5-10 minute intervals, which is still more than adequate, considering the fact that we don't need our entire systems bombarded every next second. Just roughly, I think I've created a screenshot via command + shift + 4, kept it on the desktop for about two minutes, deleted it (and emptied the trash), and gone to check in Time Machine if it'd show up, and it didn't.

Again, however, the frequency with which there are users deleting small files and then subsequently emptying the trash in a short period of time is perhaps not that high. With "bigger files" (on the order of 100 megabytes or so, which, I suppose, users are more likely to delete and then subsequently empty the trash in a smaller span of time), I guess it would follow that, given that their size, they are generally on the system for a longer period.

Given the above, I would definitely continue to hold that it probably isn't as big an issue as it might appear to be. There will be exceptions, sure. But it should be fine for a large majority :).

Edited July 28, 2007 by Aeden

[iigloo]

Regarding GTalk in iChat, it is possible to use audio chat in 10.4 but only if the one you chat with also uses iChat, ie no audio chat with windows users.

[giga Veteran]

Man, about time!

Finder windows can also be set to always show the path of a file with the new "Show Path Bar" option.

[divinatum]

Few other things I've noticed.

Bluetooth works again... kinda. It freezes my MacBook Pro for a minute when pairing but at least doesn't Kernel Panic. A2DP is still rather buggy. I *really* hope this gets some major improvements by Oct. (I purchased a set of Jabra headphones in preparation for 10.5)

Choosing "Join Other Network" in the Airport menu has a new "Show Networks" button that will show all the networks around you.

All of the Menu extras have gotten a little revamp to blend in better with the new transparent menu bar (Which really has grown on me.) Only the battery Icon hasn't been changed.

Coverflow feels *much* faster, The PC BSOD screen is still there (God, I love that.)

iCal has gotten some more polish to fit in more with the new style. Icon still doesn't automatically show the current date (I really wish it would.)

The UI has an overall nicer look between active and inactive windows

Anything else anyone wants to see/know about? Leave a message here.

[divinatum]

More things Noticed...

iChat's display styles are Plugins now, and there's a plugins folder in iChat... Apple opening up iChat for plugins to change display styles and possibly more?? :D

[Menge]

you know i can't just figure out WHY can't Apple show the signal strength in the menus and in that list... it's just SO useful when you know the signal strength...

[divinatum]

Sherlock, R.I.P. - Mac OS 8.5 - Mac OS X 10.4

The last bit of OS9 in OS X... you never were a very useful app. :D :rolleyes:

[Quillz]

you know i can't just figure out WHY can't Apple show the signal strength in the menus and in that list... it's just SO useful when you know the signal strength...

Because it takes away from the simplicity and the "just works" mentality of OS X. Signal strength only confuses the user (or so Apple thinks,) they just want to see what can be connected to, no matter the actual strength.

[Xero]

Sherlock was a nice app, just misunderstood.

[Menge]

Because it takes away from the simplicity and the "just works" mentality of OS X. Signal strength only confuses the user (or so Apple thinks,) they just want to see what can be connected to, no matter the actual strength.

nah man! it's logical to have signal strength :| :( it's quite obvious that the stronger the signal, the better the network :(

two things that are missing from that list: signal strength and protection type... makes it all MUCH faster than trying networks over and over again until you find a good one :(

[Quillz]

nah man! it's logical to have signal strength :| :( it's quite obvious that the stronger the signal, the better the network :(

two things that are missing from that list: signal strength and protection type... makes it all MUCH faster than trying networks over and over again until you find a good one :(

Well I can tell you that Leopard now categorizes various networks into the one you're connected to, the ones that are available and whether those available networks are "secured" or not. Still no signal strength, but hey, there's always CoconutWiFi. (And don't forget the network you're actually connected to does have a signal strength meter.)

[The_Decryptor Veteran]

Regarding GTalk in iChat, it is possible to use audio chat in 10.4 but only if the one you chat with also uses iChat, ie no audio chat with windows users.

Yeah, iChat does audio and video stuff (i assume video anyway) it's own way, hopefully it will get Jingle support (then it's voice chat* with any other client that supports Jingle and the profile, e.g. Google Talk)

* Jingle allows any form of connection with the correct profile, e.g. Video or file transfer

[suspiria]

http://www.thinksecret.com/news/0708newipods.html

Just days after pushing out build 9A500n as an update to developers who have installed 9A499, Apple has released an entirely new build of Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard: 9A527.

Sources say Apple has included a new intro movie to Leopard with the build, removing the Spotlight-like movie from 10.4 Tiger and instead providing a sci-fi space theme one. The default desktop picture is also space themed, making Time Machine's role in Leopard's feature set apparent.

While sources say the new build feels considerably more stable and polished than previous one, notes accompanying the release point out about a dozen known limitation, including Cisco VPN not working, slow font validation, installation failures when SCSI dries are present, and Address Book syncing not functioning.

Sweet. That grass desktop picture just smelled of Vista.

[RadishTM Veteran]

New wallpaper from the new build of Leopard 9A527.

http://www.macrumors.com/2007/08/24/apple-...d-9a527-9a528a/

Radish?

[Quillz]

Will the "blades of grass" wallpaper still be available, just no longer set as the default?

[RadishTM Veteran]

Who knows?, probably be part of the nature set.

Radish?

[.Neo]

Hopefully they'll include a default Aqua wall as well. The current default is, well, a bit ugly.

[roadgeek9]

I can't wait for the Time Machine. I can only run up to OS X 10.3 on my mac, though :cry:

[.Neo]

Some screenshots I found on the web:

Is it just me or does the new Aqua look more cartoonish? More or less like Zelda The Wind Waker compared to Ocarina of Time. The Menu Bar is a lot less transparent in this build.

Anyway, I'm glad to see that things are starting to look more polished.

Edited August 25, 2007 by .Neo

[RadishTM Veteran]

The wallpaper looks pretty good with the transparent menubar - nice and dark, polished indeed.

Radish?

[suspiria]

Those titlebar buttons are gross. :x Hopefully they look better in Graphite...

[.Neo]

Haha the new intro movie looks pretty amazing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hG7sAwv5Sj8

Welkom!

[PyX]

Yeah, even though I call movies like that... bloatware... it's really an awesome movie, meaning good bloatware :p

No seriously, those traffic buttons have way too much saturation in them, or they're too luminous, I don't know.

I can't wait to see if there's any new features (by feature, I mean... like when they added the path to the finder, it was nothing big, but really helpful) and if it's speedier and less buggy than WWDC's (since I haven't tested 9A500n)

[NeoXY]

wow good to see that things are shaping up. I can't wait for this release, its gonna be awsome :D