Apple's "New" GUI

[mattrobs]

Has anyone brought up the fact the SHADOWS ARE HUGE on windows now?

In the keynote, when Jobs opened a keynote presentation and the loading box came up with this huge shadow, the whole audience went quiet as if to ask him "Okay, Jobs. Make a subtle crack about the shadows." But he never did.

Personally, OS X has always had large shadows and they've always just worked (unlike Vista's shadows which look ... weird ), but these -- watch out if you have a bright background.

[.Neo]

^ The drop shadows don't seem nearly as dark when actually running Mac OS X Leopard as they are on that shot you posted.

Does this mean the Time Machine image can be used as its own screen saver? That'd be awesome, I love having space-themed screen savers.

Haven't tried it, but it might.

Booting a restored Mac OS X Install DVD from your iPod isn't really recommended. The iPod gets extremely hot and in some cases it will just cease to function until it cooled down again. It's better to use a normal external HD or burn it to a DVD (DL) like others suggested.

[Quillz]

^ The drop shadows don't seem nearly as dark when actually running Mac OS X Leopard as they are on that shot you posted.

Haven't tried it, but it might.

Booting a restored Mac OS X Install DVD from your iPod isn't really recommended. The iPod gets extremely hot and in some cases it will just cease to function until it cooled down again. It's better to use a normal external HD or burn it to a DVD (DL) like others suggested.

The main issue here is that both my external HDD use USB, I've no FireWire cable or FireWire compatible drives.

[.Neo]

You don't have to justify yourself to me. I'm just saying in general, using your iPod for these purposes is at your own risk. ;)

Aren't Macs supposed to be able to boot from USB 2.0 HDs as well nowadays?

[ikyouCrow]

gawd! all this love for the Time Machine warp!

i'm sure it wouldn't take anyone any time to port that Core Image file to a XAML.

PREDICTION: someone is going to make a DreamScene... and be promptly sued by Apple Legal. :p

[osirisX]

The urban legend is that Intel Macs can boot from USB hard drives. Although I have never tried this as I'm afraid of the Firewire Ghost being very, very angry. That, and not having a USB hard drive.

Can a Core Image file be ported to XAML?

[cosine]

I don't know if Apple has anything to do with the stability of the torrents, but they're the worst I've ever seen lol

That's because most of yesterday they had roughly 50 seeds and 1500 leechers. Speeds improved considerably overnight.

[The_Decryptor Veteran]

I'm not sure if you ever noticed, but you can sort of have a breadcrumb bar in Finder as well (I never noticed it till the other day myself). Customize the toolbar and add the Path widget.

Already have that.

What you see is multiple solid square boxes changing size.

http://lloydyweb.com/vintage/first_look_at.../macosx_dp3.jpg

So is each square a separate window then?

Edit: and guys, mind what you're saying ;)

[cosine]

Edit: and guys, mind what you're saying ;)

Considering how much Vista/Longhorn beta discussion used to go on here (with a majority of people who obviously didn't get it legally), I think we'll be okay talking about the speed of a torrent.

[.Neo]

So is each square a separate window then?

More or less. Each square is it's own element, which is still the case today with the addition of an extra element that acts like the background (or glass plate in Mac OS X Leopard).

[KeR]

The urban legend is that Intel Macs can boot from USB hard drives. Although I have never tried this as I'm afraid of the Firewire Ghost being very, very angry. That, and not having a USB hard drive.

Can a Core Image file be ported to XAML?

I have my Hard Drive backed up to an external USB HD, and I am able to boot from it on my MBP.

[C:Amie]

From the first time I sat down infront of a Mac through to the present day I have always thought and found the UI to be cold, unappealing and sterile, with limited customisation. It has never been something I've wanted to work infront of.

Having been consistent in my views over this, in effect I'd rather not work infront of something that brings on a hefty dose of S.A.D.

QuickTime and iTunes on Win32 are the same.

Personal Opinion.

[Southern Patriot]

How does one remove Xcode from a Mac OS X disc image? I wanted to know this for quite some time now.

I copied this from a post I saw elsewhere:

How to install Tiger with only single layer DVD media

OK, I have just created a bootable copy of the Tiger install DVD using the following method:

1. Open the Tiger installation DVD using Disk Utility.

2. Using the Disk Utility, create a new dual layer (8.5GB) sparse image called Tiger (actual filename will be Tiger.sparseimage) and mount it.

3. Restore the Tiger installation DVD to the mounted Tiger.sparseimage (not the image file.)

4. Open the mounted Tiger.sparseimage with Finder, and delete the XCodeTools directory.

5. Unmount the mounted Tiger.sparseimage.

6. Using the Disk Utility, create a new single layer (4.4GB) spare image called boot (actual filename will be boot.sparseimage) and mount it.

7. Restore the Tiger.sparseimage image file to the mounted boot.sparseimage (not the image file.)

8. Unmount the mounted boot.sparseimage.

9. Burn the boot.sparseimage to your single layer DVD media.

Booting from this DVD works, but takes a long time.

How long would it take to boot the entire Leopard OS from the iPod? Would it be like running Linux from a Live CD?

An iPod is far faster than a CD drive. It is, after all, a hard drive.

Don't don't don't don't don't boot an OS from your iPod. The hard drives aren't meant to take that kind of strain, and doing it for any extended period of time is bad for it.

That is utter BS. The hard drive in an iPod is no different than any other hard drive, other than being a slightly smaller format than a laptop hard drive. The type of hard drive that it uses was originally intended for use in ultra-portable laptops.

It's most likely because at the moment, the majority of people with the torrent are leeching, few have the complete copy and are seeding. But with each passing day, the ratio will improve. I say give it a week, and the torrents will be very fast, with hundreds of seeders.

Actually, I think it's more a problem of people who have decent upstream connections dropping off quickly after finishing their download. I'll see spikes every once in a while where the download speed goes up to 200KB+ and then it drops back down to around 60KB within a few minutes.

[cosine]

That is utter BS. The hard drive in an iPod is no different than any other hard drive, other than being a slightly smaller format than a laptop hard drive. The type of hard drive that it uses was originally intended for use in ultra-portable laptops.

The difference is that that little hard drive is packed in extremely tightly with the rest of the iPod. And there's practically zero ventilation and no fans. It's fine for the iPod itself, because the hard drive is accessed fairly sparingly. But when you've got an entire OS on there that's thrashing the hell out of it, heat builds up very quickly in that small space. The actual read/write durability could have changed in the past couple years, nobody can say for sure - but that doesn't change the fact that the heat buildup is bad for your iPod. Someone else already posted about it.

Also, thanks Engadget:

Before we get started, we should warn you that doing this can and will use your iPod in a way it was not intended and may severely shorten the life of your iPod. The reason is that the little iPod hard drive wasn't meant to be a full-time operating system drive. It's okay to boot from it from time to time, but the little drives are rated to about 20,000 hours while desktop drives are usually rated to 750,000 hours or more. But, even with that said - the biggest reason thus will eventually kill your iPod is - the heat that will be generated inside the iPod from this much use isn't what the iPod was designed for, so at some point you can and will fry your iPod.

[Southern Patriot]

The difference is that that little hard drive is packed in extremely tightly with the rest of the iPod. And there's practically zero ventilation and no fans. It's fine for the iPod itself, because the hard drive is accessed fairly sparingly. But when you've got an entire OS on there that's thrashing the hell out of it, heat builds up very quickly in that small space. The actual read/write durability could have changed in the past couple years, nobody can say for sure - but that doesn't change the fact that the heat buildup is bad for your iPod. Someone else already posted about it.

While you may be somewhat right about the heat build up, it still is no different than any other slim external hard drive. Most of the ones I've used that were based on a 2.5" laptop drive get very hot as well. I'm just trying to make the point that an iPod, contrary to what anyone may want to claim, is still just an external hard drive that happens to also have a screen and function as a media player.

[Southern Patriot]

Yep. Leopard 9A466 has started showing up on torrent sites already. It will make it to Usenet before long, then there's not much Apple can do about it spreading.

By the way, the prediction I made above has come true.

[.Neo]

I have my Hard Drive backed up to an external USB HD, and I am able to boot from it on my MBP.

Good to finally have it confirmed. :)

I copied this from a post I saw elsewhere:

Thanks! I'll give it a whirl.

While you may be somewhat right about the heat build up, it still is no different than any other slim external hard drive. Most of the ones I've used that were based on a 2.5" laptop drive get very hot as well. I'm just trying to make the point that an iPod, contrary to what anyone may want to claim, is still just an external hard drive that happens to also have a screen and function as a media player.

While the HD is nothing special, the iPod itself is extremely compact and packs a lot of extra hardware for the additional functionality it offers compared to a slim external HD. Overal the iPod's casing isn't very good at dissipating heat quickly enough and I've seen multiple instances where the iPod would just complete freeze under heavy strain, like during the installation of Mac OS X.

[Timan Veteran]

Anyone else think the fontsize in the sidebar is a bit small? I guess I'm just used to having a larger font in both Mail and Finder. Which they borked in Leopard.

[rajputwarrior]

Anyone else think the fontsize in the sidebar is a bit small? I guess I'm just used to having a larger font in both Mail and Finder. Which they borked in Leopard.

i think it looks okay, can't wait to try it out leopard tomorrow though :shifty:

[.Neo]

Anyone else think the fontsize in the sidebar is a bit small? I guess I'm just used to having a larger font in both Mail and Finder. Which they borked in Leopard.

Seems just fine to me...

[vf-]

Anyone else think the fontsize in the sidebar is a bit small? I guess I'm just used to having a larger font in both Mail and Finder. Which they borked in Leopard.

Yeah I thought that too. It's almost becoming Windows cleartype style. Thats not meant to come across in a bad way, just I find Windows font smoothing causes me to concentrate more on the text as it's that thin. I don't like that feeling. As I am so use to the thickness of OS X.

Seems just fine to me...

Of course, you would. :)

[.Neo]

Yeah I thought that too. It's almost becoming Windows cleartype style. Thats not meant to come across in a bad way, just I find Windows font smoothing causes me to concentrate more on the text as it's that thin. I don't like that feeling. As I am so use to the thickness of OS X.

Not sure what the font size has to do with the font rendering technique?

Of course, you would. :)

What's that supposed to mean? :)

Note though I'm using an eMac with 17" CRT screen with a max resolution of 1280x960. So to me the fonts are still fairly thick. I have no idea what it looks like on a high res LCD panel.

Edit:

Hm they are a bit on the small side yeah. Bit weird they didn't use the exact specs of the iTunes Sidebar.

Edited June 22, 2007 by .Neo

[Xero]

^^ Your missing out big time ;)

Need yourself a new iMac

[.Neo]

Does anyone else here find the overal performance of the current build a bit disappointing? It feels slower than Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger and it beach balls a lot. The OS does recover from a beach ball after a few minutes, but the lags are pretty annoying.

The Mac OS X Tiger betas seemed a lot more stable at this stage. :/

^^ Your missing out big time ;)

Need yourself a new iMac

hahaha I know all too well. :laugh:

My college is in the progress of renewing their contracts with Apple, which means I currently can't get a 10% discount. So I definitely have to wait for them to sort things out. :/

[Quillz]

I have my Hard Drive backed up to an external USB HD, and I am able to boot from it on my MBP.

So I could theoretically install Leopard to an external hard drive and boot from it (even though it'd be very slow?) This is good to hear, since I'm not big on FireWire.