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Like I said, even if this isn't that big of a deal, if the media gets a hold of the story and blows it way out of proportion, then Blu-ray will have a hard time recovering from it. It doesn't matter what the truth is as long as there's a small doubt in the back of a consumer's mind.

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Personally, I don't want either format to win. I don't see them as being a big enough leap from DVD to be worth the bother to upgrade.

I mean, CD's to DVD's was a HUGE leap, more than 10x the space (with dual layers, that is). I think for a new format to be really worthwhile, it should be a similar jump because even with 25Gb of space, you still have to compress everything.

Although in saying that, a lot of HD-DVD's and Blu-ray disks only have DVD quality stuff on them anyway (usually the extras and such).

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Personally, I don't want either format to win. I don't see them as being a big enough leap from DVD to be worth the bother to upgrade.

I mean, CD's to DVD's was a HUGE leap, more than 10x the space (with dual layers, that is). I think for a new format to be really worthwhile, it should be a similar jump because even with 25Gb of space, you still have to compress everything.

Although in saying that, a lot of HD-DVD's and Blu-ray disks only have DVD quality stuff on them anyway (usually the extras and such).

even w/ holographic storage, you still need to compress the video. it's simply too big uncompressed.

and what you said in the first paragraph is redundant everytime new tech. comes out. remember when we thought we'd never need a 1GB hard drive? who needs a cpu faster than 500MHz?

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I'm aware of the size of completely uncompressed digital video, but my main point was that even Blu-ray is little over twice the storage space of a DVD9. Even if it was dual layer, it's still only about 4 or 5 times the space increase, doesn't really justify upgrading from DVD, which hasn't really been pushed to it's limits for anything other than High-resolution Video (and even that is a sketchy one for a lot of released stuff).

I think I, and most other people, are happy enough with DVD's at the moment. I mean HD-TV's themselves are still in their relative infancy when compared to the market for SD TV's. Eventually that'll change, but until it does the only real potential market for either of the HD formats lies within that same HD-TV market, so it's going to be YEARS before either one of them has a hope of overtaking DVD.

And in that time, a new format could be researched, developed and ratified, possibly even the mentioned holographic technology, that would make much more sense to upgrade to.

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I'm aware of the size of completely uncompressed digital video, but my main point was that even Blu-ray is little over twice the storage space of a DVD9. Even if it was dual layer, it's still only about 4 or 5 times the space increase, doesn't really justify upgrading from DVD, which hasn't really been pushed to it's limits for anything other than High-resolution Video (and even that is a sketchy one for a lot of released stuff).

I think I, and most other people, are happy enough with DVD's at the moment. I mean HD-TV's themselves are still in their relative infancy when compared to the market for SD TV's. Eventually that'll change, but until it does the only real potential market for either of the HD formats lies within that same HD-TV market, so it's going to be YEARS before either one of them has a hope of overtaking DVD.

And in that time, a new format could be researched, developed and ratified, possibly even the mentioned holographic technology, that would make much more sense to upgrade to.

I appreciate what you are saying but you can't feasibly put off upgrading technology forever! Technology moves at such a quick rate now that one would expect to lose at least a couple of grand every couple of years (ballpark figure, don't flame!) As an example, you might be interested in this, I know I am; Ultra High Definition Video! What next, uber super mega HD? :p

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I'm aware of the size of completely uncompressed digital video, but my main point was that even Blu-ray is little over twice the storage space of a DVD9. Even if it was dual layer, it's still only about 4 or 5 times the space increase, doesn't really justify upgrading from DVD, which hasn't really been pushed to it's limits for anything other than High-resolution Video (and even that is a sketchy one for a lot of released stuff).

I think I, and most other people, are happy enough with DVD's at the moment. I mean HD-TV's themselves are still in their relative infancy when compared to the market for SD TV's. Eventually that'll change, but until it does the only real potential market for either of the HD formats lies within that same HD-TV market, so it's going to be YEARS before either one of them has a hope of overtaking DVD.

And in that time, a new format could be researched, developed and ratified, possibly even the mentioned holographic technology, that would make much more sense to upgrade to.

Its alot more than 2x the space of a DVD9. get your facts straight before you decide to bash.

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Its alot more than 2x the space of a DVD9. get your facts straight before you decide to bash.

I'm not bashing a thing, i'm just comparing the differences....

A DVD9 is about 9Gb (it's a bit less than that, I know), so 2x that is 18Gb. 3x that is 27Gb, more than a Blu-Ray disk, so I said it's a little more than 2x the space, I could have said "it's a little less than 3x the space", it wouldn't have made a difference, I was just speaking generally because that was all I needed. Sheesh.

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3x that is 27Gb, more than a Blu-Ray disk, so I said it's a little more than 2x the space

Blu-Ray is 50GB for the dual-layer discs, with discs up to 200GB round the corner. Your arguement is completely flawed.

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Blu-Ray is 50GB for the dual-layer discs, with discs up to 200GB round the corner. Your arguement is completely flawed.

I never said that a dual-layer Blu-ray disk was anything less than 50Gb and if you bothered to read what I posted, I mentioned that dual layer disks were twice as big as the standard ones....

My point is, neither format is worth the upgrade yet, disk capacity is only part of the reasoning why.

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Yes, disc capacity that facilitates higher quality content.
I'm with you on this one. The reason I'm a blu-ray supporter is because it's genuinely superior technology.

As far as the article, get over it. All companies cut corners in some way. Need I remind you of the Polio vaccine? At least this time it's only plastic which I'm sure will be replaced upon confirmation of the problem.

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I'm with you on this one. The reason I'm a blu-ray supporter is because it's genuinely superior technology.

As far as the article, get over it. All companies cut corners in some way. Need I remind you of the Polio vaccine? At least this time it's only plastic which I'm sure will be replaced upon confirmation of the problem.

another possibility is that the company that makes these cds received a bad batch of plastic?

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