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Only problem is the date is already 9/24/2004, at least on the boat, and Jin is still alive. Perhaps this has something to do with the 3 day (?) time difference. That means that Jin will die next week, which sucks because this was a very sad episode.

EDIT: Oops. My bad.

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Best explanation is that Jin's scenes off the island were flash backs (last Year of the Dragon was in 2000) and Sun's were flash forwards.

Only problem is the date is already 9/24/2004, at least on the boat, and Jin is still alive. Perhaps this has something to do with the 3 day (?) time difference. That means that Jin will die next week, which sucks because this was a very sad episode.

It's December 24, not September. Remember, Desmond called Penny on Christmas Eve.

Great episode.

The tombstone date (9-22-04 - the day 815 went down) says to me that Jin is still alive on the island. I can't see a way that him dying would secure Sun a way off the island, because they could reneg on the deal as soon as he was dead. But him agreeing to stay on island in exchange for Sun getting off makes tons of sense.

Brings up an interesting question though, who is the other member of the Oceanic Six? We had that interview that was posted a couple weeks ago that said that Aaron was NOT one of them, so we have five. Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Sun. Could the other one possibly be Walt?

I don't like the fact that they mixed this episode with flashbacks and flashwards, it makes it very difficult to keep up with the storyline IMO. If that's indeed what they did.

That's exactly what they did. I found it to be a nice twist.

I don't like the fact that they mixed this episode with flashbacks and flashwards, it makes it very difficult to keep up with the storyline IMO. If that's indeed what they did.

Yeah I thought Jin at first was giving Panda to Sun and then he wasn't which is weird, does make you think so does he get off and Die hence the last 2...I mean theres no more reveals in the 6 the 6 I read were Jack,Hurley,Kate,Jin,Sun and Hurley which is true and that was way back at the beginning of the season.

That's exactly what they did. I found it to be a nice twist.

I felt cheated and anger. I'm expecting Jin to be bringing this loving gift to his new baby girl and instead we find out he's dead. Very disappointing IMO. But hey, to each their own.

It was still a good episode. Certainly better than Kate's episode, Eggtown :x

Yeah I thought Jin at first was giving Panda to Sun and then he wasn't which is weird, does make you think so does he get off and Die hence the last 2...I mean theres no more reveals in the 6 the 6 I read were Jack,Hurley,Kate,Jin,Sun and Hurley which is true and that was way back at the beginning of the season.

I'm going to say that Jin is NOT one of the Oceanic Six. Just because there's a gravesite doesn't mean he got off the island. If Jin dies on the island and only Sun got off the island, it makes sense for her to have a funeral for Jin once she's home.

What I found interesting were the two facts we learned about Hurley:

1) He's got enough money to fly to Korea just to see Sun's baby

2) He doesn't want to see any of the other four Oceanic Six members...when Sun said no one else was coming, Hurley replied "Good."

Also, Sun seemed to be in a hotel room at the beginning of the episode. Why is she traveling?

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