[Season 7] Smallville

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The ACTING is great? Come on. The acting is terrible. Kristen Kreuk is one of the worst actresses that has a regular spot on any series on television. if not THE worst.

The action is fine, yes. But its kind of hard to screw up fight scenes, though they DO do that from time to time. Such as when they completely underused Batista.

Listen, you get easily offended. No reason for you to. People don't have to pretend that everything they see is the best thing ever, like you do. I mean come on, the last few seasons of X-Files were pretty bad, once Duchovny left. And you've said before how good the X-Files movie was. It was one of the worst movies EVER. It was just dreadful.

That doesn't mean you can't like it. Go right ahead and do so. But you can't throw around how great these things are. You can say you enjoyed it and whatever, but when you are the only one that thinks its 'great' then you are in the minority and you have to recognize that.

You aren't involved with making these shows, there is no reason to get offended when others don't like it. Smallville is in the same boat as Atlantis. They just pass by every week with average episodes. There are not 'great' episodes, though Atlantis sometimes has an above average one.

Yes, you're correct in saying there is a lot of crap on TV. But that doesn't make any other show 'great' just because its above the crap level.

Just relax. Don't get offended. Its just a show.

I do have to wonder though: Is part of the reason you think its so great because of the 'hot' actresses? I would say yes, because you are always so obsessed with pictures of women.

[SuperJediMedia]

You seem like someone VERY hard to please. I seem to remember you also complain a LOT about either Lost, 24 or Heroes too.

Yes I honestly think the Acting is Very GOOD with Smallville! And last few seasons of X-files BETTER than Majority of TV shows. I always find the topics interesting and cool!

I don't know what else you watch you consider better shows.

But other than Quality shows like Lost, Heroes, 24 that's about it. I don't watch all that stupid crap/sitcoms/Reality shows that Majority of average people watchs, NO sir!

It doesn't have all to do with Hot girls I honestly find the acting pretty good!

I guess we have to AGREE to DISAGREE

BTW, Kristen Kreuk is a GREAT actress she just doesn't have a great story right now. But even so, she is just ONE character. I don't feel that one character such as hers ruins the Entire show.

Like I said in the first line, I think the problem with YOU is YOU are hard to please!

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[SuperJediMedia]

I heard he's leaving at the end of this season but according to wiki he said he may return in future as a guest star.

Trust me, if Lex leaves, they will either have a lot of Justice League stories, or introduce other Superman Comic book villians other than end the show.

However, I am ALL FOR that. I just don't see other storyline options than those.

How can you call last night's Green Arrow/Black Canary episode a Bore though? What's wrong with you all?

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You seem like someone VERY hard to please. I seem to remember you also complain a LOT about either Lost, 24 or Heroes too.

Yes I honestly think the Acting is Very GOOD with Smallville! And last few seasons of X-files BETTER than Majority of TV shows. I always find the topics interesting and cool!

I don't know what else you watch you consider better shows.

But other than Quality shows like Lost, Heroes, 24 that's about it. I don't watch all that stupid crap/sitcoms/Reality shows that Majority of average people watchs, NO sir!

I guess we have to AGREE to DISAGREE

BTW, Kristen Kreuk is a GREAT actress she just doesn't have a great story right now. But even so, she is just ONE character. I don't feel that one character such as hers ruins the Entire show.

Find me one post where I bashed a show wrongly.

Have you seen Kreuk in anything else? She is just as terrible. Shes hot. Yes. That doesn't make her a good actress. Welling isn't that good either. He has the range of a grapefruit.

All that said, I do watch the show. In fact, I bet I'm a bigger fan of it than you are. However, that doesn't mean I have to say its the greatest thing since sliced bread. It is an average, entertaining show. Thats it. Nothing more.

How can you call last night's Green Arrow/Black Canary episode a Bore though? What's wrong with you all?

Yes, it was terrible. What happened? Nothing.

Why was the Canary brought in as 'bad' at all? So she could make Clark bleed from his ears? Whoop de doo. They could have brought her in another way besides her working for Lex.

The question isn't whats wrong with us, its whats wrong with you that you thought it was so great? What was great about it?

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[SuperJediMedia]

Find me one post where I bashed a show wrongly.

Have you seen Kreuk in anything else? She is just as terrible. Shes hot. Yes. That doesn't make her a good actress. Welling isn't that good either. He has the range of a grapefruit.

All that said, I do watch the show. In fact, I bet I'm a bigger fan of it than you are. However, that doesn't mean I have to say its the greatest thing since sliced bread. It is an average, entertaining show. Thats it. Nothing more.

That is just such an Arrogant/Obnoxious thing to say.

IN fact, if you are right I think I know exactly what your deal is. I get it!

It's called "Fanboyism" When things doesn't meet your expectations, you complain A lot.

Hey I have the same experience with Xbox 360. :) I think Microsoft should make Dashboard MUCH MUCH BETTER than it is now! I am very disappointed with MS (as a Huge software company the Dashboard is Boring!)

You Expect too much, I am pretty sure is the ACTUAL problem.

You expect Superman now, but dude remember this show is not Superman, it is Clark Kent BEFORE he becomes Superman!

There is going to be Small moments/hints where he does his Superman things, but DO NOT expect a LOT at once or OF COURSE you'd be disappointed!

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The show seriously needs to end. Its going nowhere.

[SuperJediMedia]

FYI, opinion/Poll from Biggest Smallville Fansite (Kryptonsite) -

Should Smallville end?

Never! I think the show has never been better 40.91%

Eh I think that if they just got Clark off the farm then it should be good 36.36%

Yes! It's become tired and repetitive (people like YOU) 22.73%

Yes it's not single digits, but still a Vast Minority!

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84348

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That is just such an Arrogant/Obnoxious thing to say.

IN fact, if you are right I think I know exactly what your deal is. I get it!

It's called "Fanboyism" When things doesn't meet your expectations, you complain A lot.

Hey I have the same experience with Xbox 360. :) I think Microsoft should make Dashboard MUCH MUCH BETTER than it is now! I am very disappointed with MS (as a Huge software company the Dashboard is Boring!)

You Expect too much, I am pretty sure is the ACTUAL problem.

You expect Superman now, but dude remember this show is not Superman, it is Clark Kent BEFORE he becomes Superman!

There is going to be Small moments/hints where he does his Superman things, but DO NOT expect a LOT at once or OF COURSE you'd be disappointed!

You are completely clueless.

Being a fanboy means you love something no matter its faults. Even denying them outright. Which is what YOU are doing, not me.

I don't expect Superman. At all. I expect the show to actually do something, and not be simply rehashes of 5 seasons ago.

I don't care if he flies or wears a cape or anything. Not at all.

Thanks for making assumptions for me.

I have laid out the problems with the show, you completely ignored them and then told ME what I thought was wrong with it.

Like I said, go ahead and love the show. But you can't tell us its great. It isn't. You are in the minority. Deal with it.

[SuperJediMedia]

You are completely clueless.

Being a fanboy means you love something no matter its faults. Even denying them outright. Which is what YOU are doing, not me.

You are in the minority. Deal with it.

First of all YOU ARE in the minority, see above post, which I knew you were gonna bring up but you are wrong I am not you ARE!

Get rid off your arrogant/obnoxious attitude please!

Now, there are of course like two types of Fanboys.

One like you said, Defend something no matter what.

But, there IS another type, passionately about it even hate it when it doesn't go their way (Star wars fans hate Jar Jar, or hate Greedo shot Han solo first, even threatening to Kill the creator George Lucas, anyone?)

That, is fanboyism TOO, things doesn't go their way they so hate it!

But no I am not saying there aren't flaws I realize totally there are flaws, but those flaws IMO are very minor, OVERALL as I said this show is Better than majority of other crap TV shows out there! And, considering that, it's still good enough for me!

Why do I want the show cancelled? What good does it do for me? Majority of TV shows are garbage, I want something that meets my likes to watch, which includes Smallville at the Top!

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FYI, opinion/Poll from Biggest Smallville Fansite (Kryptonsite) -

Should Smallville end?

Never! I think the show has never been better 40.91%

Eh I think that if they just got Clark off the farm then it should be good 36.36%

Yes! It's become tired and repetitive (people like YOU) 22.73%

Yes it's not single digits, but still a Vast Minority!

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84348

A poll on a FANSITE that wants the show to continue. Imagine that.

If you did a poll HERE, or on like TVGuide.com, somewhere not completely dedicated to the show, you'd get a much more valid response.

Thats like going to a Hillary Clinton rally and asking who is better, Clinton or Obama.

By the way, thanks for snipping my quote.

[SuperJediMedia]

Dude, why don't you demand all the other Craps on TV cancelled first?

Like I said what else do you watch that you consider Better shows?

Can you list 10 TV shows that's Better than Smallville?

The Bigger problem (Unselfish, Unbiased) is when you demand a show like Smallville cancelled (Even I think it's still pretty decent in every way) some execs would think "Oh shows like Smallville or X-files are NOT good, but shows like Deal Or NO deal" are better... let's make more of those instead!!!

I say NO, HELL NO I rather watch a disappointing episode of X-files, Smallville than these other Crap shows on TV!!!

Edited February 8, 2008 by JediXAngel

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Dude, why don't you demand all the other Craps on TV cancelled first?

Like I said what else do you watch that you consider Better shows?

Can you list 10 TV shows that's Better than Smallville?

The Bigger problem (Unselfish, Unbiased) is when you demand a show like Smallville cancelled (Even I think it's still pretty decent in every way) some execs would think "Oh shows like Smallville or X-files are NOT good, but shows like Deal Or NO deal" are better... let's make more of those instead!!!

I say NO, HELL NO I rather watch a disappointing episode of X-files, Smallville than these other Crap shows on TV!!!

10 Shows better than Smallville? Thats simple. In no order.

Lost

Heroes

24

Prison Break

Dexter

Scrubs

ER

Dirty Jobs

Mythbusters

House

Psych

Monk

Stargate: Atlantis

Thats more than 10 right off the top of my head.

Hell, even Sarah Connor Chronicles is better, and thats just an average show.

Once again. It isn't the worst show on TV. There are many worse. But it isn't great or even good. Its an average show, on par with stuff like CSI, in my view. Same type of thing happens on CSI. Formulaic episodes that happen basically the same exact way every single week.

Do you know why Smallville hasn't been canceled yet? Because its on the CW. If it was on a real network it wouldn't be around.

By the way, I never said it needed to be canceled. I said it needs to end. That means typing it up all nice and giving it a proper series finale, not just pulling the plug.

[SuperJediMedia]

Majority of the shows you listed are about subjects I am just not interested in.

I LOVE these Superheroes, Paranormals or action-packed themes, that's why I highly like first 3 you listed. But for the rest, I really don't care for Hospitals, Doctors, cops, etc unless they have super natural, mysterious element to them (Aka Lost) I won't watch them!

I will agree that these other shows might have good acting/actors, but subject matter I don't care for.

I totally disagree that Acting for Terminator is better than Smallville! I think Smallville have MUCH better acting than SCC!

Past shows like Birds of Prey sucked, but Smallvile isn't bad like that at all!

And by forcefully ending the show, when the creators/producers/writers aren't ready for it to be over with (They still feel the show can go on) but had to end it because people like You complain about it, is pretty much considered Cancelling in my books.

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Never! I think the show has never been better 40.91%

Eh I think that if they just got Clark off the farm then it should be good 36.36%

Yes! It's become tired and repetitive (people like YOU) 22.73%

Jedi, it also shows that a lot of people think that things should change from what they are doing currently.

[EnzoFX]

I only like half the ones you listed. The others I think just plain suck. That's my opinion, and I'm not going to say one is better than the other. Preference varies.

[SuperJediMedia]

Jedi, it also shows that a lot of people think that things should change from what they are doing currently.

No, the 36.36% crowd are showing being Patient!

They think being patient with it, and not complain, Clark moving off the Farm and closer to be Superman will happen soon!

It's the impatient people like you give it 22.73% saying it should end cuz it's too repetitive/tired.

Have patience, people. The writers/producers KNOW what they are doing they are just not RUSHING things!

I only like half the ones you listed. The others I think just plain suck. That's my opinion, and I'm not going to say one is better than the other. Preference varies.

Yes Preference is what it comes down to.

Like Majority of Xbox gamers aren't interested in Adventure games (like Oldschool Myst, Kings quest, Space quest, etc type of games) and won't buy them, doesn't mean those aren't good games, at all!

It's really what you prefer as a gamer, or TV/movie fan.

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Majority of the shows you listed are about subject I am just not interested in.

I LOVE these Superheroes, Paranormals or action-packed themes, that's why I highly like first 3 you listed. But for the rest, I really don't care for Hospitals, Doctors, etc unless they have super natural, mysterious element to them (Aka Lost) I won't watch them!

I will agree that these other shows might have good acting/actors, but subject matter I don't care for.

I totally disagree that Acting for Terminator is better than Smallville! I think Smallville have MUCH better acting than SCC!

Past shows like Birds of Prey sucked, but Smallvile isn't bad like that at all!

And by forcefully ending the show, when the creators/producers/writers aren't ready for it to be over with (They still feel the show can go on) but had to end it because people like You complain about it, is pretty much considered Cancelling in my books.

Just because you aren't interested in them doesn't make them worse than Smallville.

Your complaints are that there is no good television. Not that 'there is no television I want to watch'. There is a BIG difference.

But at least we've come down to it. You think its great because its a show you love. Thats fine, you can love it. But that doesn't make it a great show. It just makes it a show you love.

Tom Welling is a terrible actor, that just ruins any chance of the acting on Smallville being a well acted show at any point. Kreuk is terrible too. They just are not believable. At all. At least Summer Glau can make you believe that she has no personality. Whether thats all she can do or not remains to be seen, but Welling and Kreuk have been in other projects and they are just as bad. Now, Lex, Chloe, and Green Arrow are usually pretty well done. Especially Lex and Chloe. But when the two leads are bad, that drags down the whole show. I think part of your problem is that you aren't being exposed to GOOD acting with what you enjoy as far as shows. By the types you listed, those shows are not usually the hotbed of great acting. Thats not your fault, but it does skew your vision.

Answer this: Who is a better actor: Clark from Smallville or John Connor from SCC. Even only 5 episodes or whatever we are into SCC, the answer is obvious.

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I'm being patient but i feel like i've been trying to be patient with the show for a while and now the shows seem to have the same storylines that have been done a few times before.

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I only like half the ones you listed. The others I think just plain suck. That's my opinion, and I'm not going to say one is better than the other. Preference varies.

Preference does vary. But if you compare them apples to apples, you should have an opinion one way or another.

The real way to do things, though, is to just do ratings.

Every show I listed there (except Dexter, as its on Showtime) as better ratings than Smallville weekin/weekout. Yes, Smallville may peak above for certain episodes, but as an average it is below all of them. The only ones it is competing with is Mythbusters and Dirty Jobs, and that has to do with them being on Discovery.

[SuperJediMedia]

Tom Wellng is Terrible?

WOW dude I would think majority of people will disagree on you about that.

He played Bizarro/or Red-kryptonite Clark perfectly almost every time!!!

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Tom Wellng is Terrible?

WOW dude I would think majority of people will disagree on you about that.

He played Bizarro/or Red-kryptonite Clark perfectly almost every time!!!

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Actually, I'm sure you won't find more than a couple people that say he is good.

Girls that find him cute, sure. But a good actor? No.

[SuperJediMedia]

Preference does vary. But if you compare them apples to apples, you should have an opinion one way or another.

The real way to do things, though, is to just do ratings.

Every show I listed there (except Dexter, as its on Showtime) as better ratings than Smallville weekin/weekout. Yes, Smallville may peak above for certain episodes, but as an average it is below all of them. The only ones it is competing with is Mythbusters and Dirty Jobs, and that has to do with them being on Discovery.

Ratings mean what?... Not everything

Like I complained in the Terminator thread yesterday why MORE people prefer that crap known as "Deal Or No deal" and why American Idol so Highly rated all the time?

Granted, in the end of the show every season, a pretty good singer (Catherine Mcphee, Kelly Clarkson, etc) maybe crowned the winner, but most of times people Can't sing and bleed ears, on that show.

I rather watch Green Arrow/Black Canary talk and talk senselessly than stupid guessing game (DOND) or bad-singing.

Like I said

The Bigger problem (Unselfish, Unbiased) is when you demand a show like Smallville cancelled (Even I think it's still pretty decent in every way) some execs would think "Oh shows like Smallville or X-files are NOT good, but shows like Deal Or NO deal are better... let's make more of those instead!!!"

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Ratings mean what?... Not everything

Like I complained in the Terminator thread yesterday why MORE people prefer that crap known as "Deal Or No deal" and why American Idol so Highly rated all the time?

Granted, in the end of the show every season, a pretty good singer (Catherine Mcphee, Kelly Clarkson, etc) maybe crowned the winner, but most of times people Can't sing and bleed ears, on that show.

I rather watch Green Arrow/Black Canary talk and talk senselessly than stupid guessing game (DOND) or bad-singing.

Again, you are basing everything on YOUR view of what is right. Sorry, but thats not the way it is.

Go ahead and continue to love the show. Thats fine.

Just stop getting offended when others don't feel the way you do.

[SuperJediMedia]

A poll on a FANSITE that wants the show to continue. Imagine that.

If you did a poll HERE, or on like TVGuide.com, somewhere not completely dedicated to the show, you'd get a much more valid response.

Thats like going to a Hillary Clinton rally and asking who is better, Clinton or Obama.

By the way, thanks for snipping my quote.

Why would I not post a poll result from a site that where Audiences are fans of this show? Or this TYPE of show?

If Superhero, supernatural, themes are not other people's favorite like it is for me, then people may prefer other types of shows, to me I am NOT into!

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Why would I not post a poll not on a site that where Audiences are fans of this show?

If Superhero, supernature, themes are not your favorite like it is for me, then you may prefer other types of shows, to me I am NOT into!

You misunderstood. The poll you quoted was from a site that FANS go to. Meaning, that in order for someone to go there and vote, they have to be enough of a fan of the show already to want to know more. It is a biased poll because of that, you are only asking fans. You aren't asking anyone else.

And what did that poll show? That half of the people that voted on it think the show needs to change.

I used to go to kryptonsite. I have a few hundred posts on their forums. But now I don't go there, because I'm not interested in being up to date on the show because its simply not as good as it once was.