PyX Posted October 1, 2007 Share Posted October 1, 2007 Well they would lose big time on their hardware... and we know they are making much profit on that. Before buying a Mac, I've tried to install OS X on a PC. I regretted it... maybe it's changed (as it was one year ago), but I had no sound, no graphics acceleration, poor wireless connection support, a poor boot process, etc... I really don't recommend doing that :( Anyway, the designs of the Macs are so killer nowadays and they have everything included that many people seem forget about (bluetooth, Firewire 2, airport, isight, etc.) I don't see why someone would try building a PC tower and install OS X in it. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/590961-big-suprise-in-leopard/page/2/#findComment-588888119 Share on other sites More sharing options...
theyarecomingforyou Posted October 1, 2007 Share Posted October 1, 2007 It's been said lots of times... Apple would go bankrupt if they did that. Nonsense. Apple has the iPod, it has the Cinema Displays, it has the very desirable hardware (last time I checked Dell, HP and Gateway still make money), it has the iPhone, it has the iTunes Music Store, etc. Now is the perfect time to set aim for the PC market because they have so many other lines of business that they can turn to should there be a problem. With Apple's BootCamp software it can happily co-exist with Windows, making it a much easier sell for people that like OSX but don't want to be tied into Mac hardware. There is no doubt it would seriously change their business model but with Vista yet to establish itself, and with many negative write-ups at the moment, if Apple pull off a successful launch then they could become a serious player overnight, instead of the fringe player they currently are. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/590961-big-suprise-in-leopard/page/2/#findComment-588888143 Share on other sites More sharing options...
seamer Posted October 1, 2007 Share Posted October 1, 2007 People always pick on OSX because its Apple, but in reality, if any single OS turns out to be a desktop Windows killer, it'd be OSX. All its missing is native win32 compatibility (and of course, I include DirectX in that), and then we have a great contender. Games are pretty much the only reason I dualboot my imac. I use Google Apps for my email/document stuff, and itunes is already available. There's not much else I do that demands Win32. And by native, I don't mean purchasing Cedega each month, I mean native as in 'included on the install CD by default and free to use/update'. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/590961-big-suprise-in-leopard/page/2/#findComment-588888147 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTD Posted October 1, 2007 Share Posted October 1, 2007 There are really quite good points and advantages that Apple would gain... Its really perfect business logic and perfect time for Apple to start selling OSX without the hardware.. check my blogpost and the observations I had made here a while back.If this is the surprise, then wherez the line outside Apple stores... Im gonna be there for sure!! You have no clue what you're talking about. This point has been dealt with before - far too many times before, in fact. This whole idea of opening up OS X to every platform should be put to rest once and for all. It's utterly ridiculous, and smacks of business-suicide. Apple hardware + OS X exclusively is a winning combination. it's what keeps the whole experience not only unique, but also stable and by and large worry-free. The next person who suggests opening up OS X in such a manner deserves a flying leg-drop. Enough already. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/590961-big-suprise-in-leopard/page/2/#findComment-588888252 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Decryptor Veteran Posted October 1, 2007 Veteran Share Posted October 1, 2007 Apple are never going to write their own implementation of DirectX, at most we might get an included form of wine and it's DirectX translation layer. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/590961-big-suprise-in-leopard/page/2/#findComment-588888255 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BajiRav Posted October 1, 2007 Share Posted October 1, 2007 Apple opens OSX and they gain all that plagues the Windows world. Massive driver problems causing unstable system. Apple is just not ready to do that in the time leading to Leopard's launch. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/590961-big-suprise-in-leopard/page/2/#findComment-588888921 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PyX Posted October 1, 2007 Share Posted October 1, 2007 +1 for the drivers issue. It's better to have less drivers to be busy with. Otherwise it becomes chaos and it's next to impossible to manage. Microsoft already demonstrates it, and it's not really their fault either, as nobody would do a correct management of dozens of thousands of drivers. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/590961-big-suprise-in-leopard/page/2/#findComment-588889365 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunbiz_3000 Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 You have no clue what you're talking about. This point has been dealt with before - far too many times before, in fact.This whole idea of opening up OS X to every platform should be put to rest once and for all. It's utterly ridiculous, and smacks of business-suicide. Apple hardware + OS X exclusively is a winning combination. it's what keeps the whole experience not only unique, but also stable and by and large worry-free. The next person who suggests opening up OS X in such a manner deserves a flying leg-drop. Enough already. Now I know what the Apple cult is like... They just want their own thing... Selfish?? Is that the word Im looking for?? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/590961-big-suprise-in-leopard/page/2/#findComment-588890795 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fukachu Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 i think selfish is completely the wrong word. what we want is a stable and secure system with no driver issues and so on. We want it to run seemlessly with our hardware and while i don't think there is much premium nowadays apple users have always been willing to pay a premium for that. not unlike those who want the best sports cars. I personally don't care if apple releases OS X to any hardware in terms of the idea of it running on non-apple hardware. but i don't want any of the problems that come with that. As it has already been stated Apple is a hardware company whether that be computers, ipods or even phones, it makes the bulk of it's money from hardware. using iTunes as an argument it ridiculous since there is next to nothing to be made in that for Apple, it is there to legitimise the iPod with legal music. now back onto the topic of big surprise, I find it unlikely we will get anything without ADC member testing but i wouldn't put it past Apple. I just hope that if there are any surprises that they are well tested by the time it is in our hands, last thing we want is a buggy release like what the iphone received with the 1.1.1 which has been bricking even unmodified phones due to what appears to be rushed developement and not enough testing. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/590961-big-suprise-in-leopard/page/2/#findComment-588890913 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotdog666al Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 ^ Don't even bother, some people will NEVER understand. :rolleyes: Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/590961-big-suprise-in-leopard/page/2/#findComment-588891091 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTD Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 ^ Don't even bother, some people will NEVER understand. :rolleyes: Until they visit an Apple Store, of course ;) The only surprise I'm really looking for is a mid-October release. Which I doubt will happen . . . Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/590961-big-suprise-in-leopard/page/2/#findComment-588891282 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPressland Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 The only surprise I'm really looking for is a mid-October release. Which I doubt will happen . . . Couldnt agree with you more ;) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/590961-big-suprise-in-leopard/page/2/#findComment-588891680 Share on other sites More sharing options...
xfodder Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 i know when leopard is going to be released! October the 32nd! ... mark it on your calendars, i have :D maybe microsoft should adopt this tatic aswell ... this way maybe vista could have shipped in 2003 :p Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/590961-big-suprise-in-leopard/page/2/#findComment-588891693 Share on other sites More sharing options...
se7en.hu Posted October 2, 2007 Author Share Posted October 2, 2007 october 32nd doesnt exist... Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/590961-big-suprise-in-leopard/page/2/#findComment-588891818 Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Kompressor Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 A halloween release ? lol that might be suicide. lol Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/590961-big-suprise-in-leopard/page/2/#findComment-588892165 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LunarFalcon Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 ^not if they have candy in the Apple store...no wait - candy apples! It's a brilliant marketing ploy! Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/590961-big-suprise-in-leopard/page/2/#findComment-588892169 Share on other sites More sharing options...
xfodder Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 october 32nd doesnt exist... im aware that it doesnt exist ... im just saying that apple could change November 1st to October 32nd so they stick to their October deadline :p Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/590961-big-suprise-in-leopard/page/2/#findComment-588897122 Share on other sites More sharing options...
team_NOOB Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 I'm pretty sure the huge surprise is that Leopard will ship with with a free iPhone.. don't hold me to it, but it's just a rumour i heard, or made up.. one of the two Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/590961-big-suprise-in-leopard/page/2/#findComment-588898230 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xero Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 Leopard will likely be released on the 26th. As for a surprise? I highly doubt it. I'd be happy if they surprise us by releasing something thats more polished than the crap they are giving the testers. The OS is good, but ugh, I can't get over the GUI, ah well. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/590961-big-suprise-in-leopard/page/2/#findComment-588898243 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillz Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 Leopard will likely be released on the 26th. As for a surprise? I highly doubt it. I'd be happy if they surprise us by releasing something thats more polished than the crap they are giving the testers. The OS is good, but ugh, I can't get over the GUI, ah well. Too bad the GUI won't be changed. If you don't like it, don't use Leopard or get something like Shapeshifter, simple as that. But I for one much prefer the new GUI to the inconsistent crap that was Tiger. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/590961-big-suprise-in-leopard/page/2/#findComment-588898513 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyn Posted October 6, 2007 Share Posted October 6, 2007 +1 for the drivers issue. It's better to have less drivers to be busy with. Otherwise it becomes chaos and it's next to impossible to manage. Microsoft already demonstrates it, and it's not really their fault either, as nobody would do a correct management of dozens of thousands of drivers. Strangely OS's like Linux and FreeBSD don't have any problems regarding drivers and system stability. It comes down to faulty design in Windows when it comes to drivers (most likely the part where drivers and kernel interact). So it really is Microsoft's fault since other OS's don't have that problem. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/590961-big-suprise-in-leopard/page/2/#findComment-588901919 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cormier6083 Posted October 6, 2007 Share Posted October 6, 2007 The surprise is how tottaly frigin sweet Leopard is gonna be. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/590961-big-suprise-in-leopard/page/2/#findComment-588901934 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillz Posted October 6, 2007 Share Posted October 6, 2007 Strangely OS's like Linux and FreeBSD don't have any problems regarding drivers and system stability. It comes down to faulty design in Windows when it comes to drivers (most likely the part where drivers and kernel interact). So it really is Microsoft's fault since other OS's don't have that problem. No, it's not. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/590961-big-suprise-in-leopard/page/2/#findComment-588901948 Share on other sites More sharing options...
devilotX Posted October 6, 2007 Share Posted October 6, 2007 Beryl/Compiz-Fusion compiled for OS X 10.5 would be neat. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/590961-big-suprise-in-leopard/page/2/#findComment-588902034 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadishTM Veteran Posted October 6, 2007 Veteran Share Posted October 6, 2007 A ticket to your local zoo :shifty: Radish? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/590961-big-suprise-in-leopard/page/2/#findComment-588902051 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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