Warner Bros to back Blu-ray DVD format exclusively

[+Audioboxer Subscriber²]

Holy crap audio what is your deal?

A company makes a huge mistake, but I am instantly supposed to forget about it? I realize they will be more careful in the future and with something as large as Blu Ray, I would hope they wouldn't, but way to jump all over me.

By the way, instead of just posting you don't know about the Casino Royale thing, certain BD players needed an update to play it a couple months back.

No not forget, but don't be silly trying to suggest Sony will go out and make the mistake again by infesting Blu Ray/PS3 with "spying techiniques"/ rookits or whatever - That's just not going to happen.

A reasonable form of DRM/protection is expected, but that's what corporations do to try and protect their produce from the pirates that some of the consumers are. No protection at all = anarchy.

It's all a vicious cycle of consumers complaining about protection/DRM, but to an extent we brought it about on ourselves at the end of the day.

I couldn't care less if you support Blu Ray, I only care what I support (in a niche context) as it's me watching the movies.

[+Mystic MVC]

No not forget, but don't be silly trying to suggest Sony will go out and make the mistake again by infesting Blu Ray/PS3 with "spying techiniques" or whatever.

I couldn't care less if you support Blu Ray, I only care what I support as it's me watching the movies.

Thanks for completely ignoring this, "I realize they will be more careful in the future and with something as large as Blu Ray, I would hope they wouldn't, but way to jump all over me." I never even directly suggested it, but apparently that doesn't matter.

Cormier6083: Because MS eventually came out with the huge improvement in their next OS (XP), which helped ease the pain of ME.

Edited January 5, 2008 by mystic54

[Ayepecks]

95% of people claiming to want to "backup" their software are no doubt pirates, or wanting to copy something for a friend.

Never once in my life have I said, ohhh I better go make 10 backups of this original incase it gets scratched, I just keep the original in damn good condition.

I absolutely couldn't disagree with you more.

Do you know how many CDs and DVDs that I have -- in mint condition, as in I never did anything but put them in the player and their case -- stop working on me? It's gotten so bad that for almost ever CD I buy the first thing I ever do is copy it and put that in my CD player because discs get scratched so easily or simply stop playing. Same thing with Netflix. Anyone who uses Netflix or Blockbuster can probably attest to the exact same thing.

And of course I rip all my CDs to my hard drive to play the MP3s for my own personal enjoyment. I also rip backups of my favorite movies on my laptop for trips.

I know many people that do the same. 95% is a gross over-estimate. I'd say 60% -- 65-70 max -- are pirates.

[KoL Veteran]

thank god the war is coming to an end, and we can all rest easy knowing blu-ray players won't drop in price now, considering they have the edge, and will rob us any chance they get LOL

I was pro HD-DVD, because it had DVD playback, until i heard blu-ray does the same. GO BLU-RAY!

When the war ends they still have a huge battle versus DVD and to win that one they need to keep lowering prices.

[+Mystic MVC]

When the war ends they still have a huge battle versus DVD and to win that one they need to keep lowering prices.

Exactly. When I just told my dad about this, he asked how quick would things change. I laughed and told him, "years and years dad." :D

[+Audioboxer Subscriber²]

I absolutely couldn't disagree with you more.

Do you know how many CDs and DVDs that I have -- in mint condition, as in I never did anything but put them in the player and their case -- stop working on me? It's gotten so bad that for almost ever CD I buy the first thing I ever do is copy it and put that in my CD player because discs get scratched so easily or simply stop playing. Same thing with Netflix. Anyone who uses Netflix or Blockbuster can probably attest to the exact same thing.

And of course I rip all my CDs to my hard drive to play the MP3s for my own personal enjoyment. I also rip backups of my favorite movies on my laptop for trips.

I know many people that do the same. 95% is a gross over-estimate. I'd say 60% -- 65-70 max -- are pirates.

Yeah ok 95% is over the top, but it's a high % anyway.

Once you can successfuly and easily backup something, the thought of saying hey next door neighbour listen to/watch this, enters peoples head verrrrry quickly. Oh i'll just let my friend "borrow" this cd, and your friend notices how easy it is to backup the backup.... and sooo forth. Not saying you do this, just giving examples.

But im not delving further into this, the discussion of piracy, consumer rights in regards to backups and DRM/protection is faaaar to much of a debate. No one is going to agree as everyone is in different contexts - I rarely backup anything, Joe Bloggs backs up everything and keeps his originals untouched.

If there was a right and a wrong answer for the topics above, we'd practically have solved world peace.

[DrCheese]

I'm just glad its over although I will miss the debates on here, even if I did get a lil annoyed at times :p As someone said on another forum, at least people can just start talking about the quality of the movies now rather than forever arguing the same points over and over and brewing flamewars.

Now I expect stores over here to start bunding them with HDTV's which will really help get HD movies out to the masses. Of course if the studio's hadn't all acted like 5 year olds a few years ago HD media would probably be hurting DVD quite a bit now.

The only thing that can spoil it now is if the impossible was to happen and a major BD exclusive studio jumped ship, but I really can't see that happening now the marketplace is split 70/30. To do that would just continue the war longer and whatever money is thrown at that company wouldn't matter if the whole marketplace lost out on HDM sales longterm.

For the record I think payoff's are ultra ULTRA lame, with regards to either format it shows that the studio's don't care about the overall product sales and the consumers buying them. I said this when paramount was brought out and I say it now if Warner was brought out.

Same thing with Netflix

The BD fanboy in me couldn't help but laugh the other day when I saw a HD-DVD thread on avs about damaged HD-DVD media from netflix, considering that some posters think that BD's protective cover is silly and "untested", Still a bit offtopic here.

[+Audioboxer Subscriber²]

Thanks for completely ignoring this, "I realize they will be more careful in the future and with something as large as Blu Ray, I would hope they wouldn't, but way to jump all over me." I never even directly suggested it, but apparently that doesn't matter.

Cormier6083: Because MS eventually came out with the huge improvement in their next OS (XP), which helped ease the pain of ME.

Oh I don't care anymore, you've already had a niggle at me today.

Believe what you want with spying and rootkits, ill let you let yourself down when things don't materialize.

Sorry for wasting your time, and for "jumping over you". I'll step back, end of.

Now,

I wonder how much Sony will be gloating at CES? :laugh: Anyone care to guess?

[Cormier6083]

Man, must be me, but I had DVD's slid across the counter top, stepped on (but not broke), got spilt on, and I just Dawned (dish washing detergent) them and they work seamlessly. Must be me? :/ I mean, really scratched up discs.

I uses a lens cleanser disc as well. I find it helps a bit.

Blu-Ray is going to be every other word from now on when it comes to Sony.

[DrCheese]

Yes DVD's are pretty robust but I've heard reports that usually by the 6/7th rental they are unplayable. People treat other people's property like trash, Although there are other tech reasons for BD having the protective layer, it should hopefully solve stuff like that(or at least make it last longer)

As for the copy protection, its always broke in the end. Companies have to at least be seen trying to protect themselves tho.

[+Mystic MVC]

Oh I don't care anymore, you've already had a niggle at me today.

Believe what you want with spying and rootkits, ill let you let yourself down when things don't materialize.

Sorry for wasting your time, and for "jumping over you". I'll step back, end of.

Now,

I wonder how much Sony will be gloating at CES? :laugh: Anyone care to guess?

Thanks for reading. Don't try to act innocent though about either thing (you know what I mean), nobody did that to you, it was your decision, so it was a matter of time before somebody else messaged you if I didn't.

Too bad, prices won't be down far enough when I build my computer this summer to put a BD drive in it. :p That would be awesome for college!

[goji]

When the war ends they still have a huge battle versus DVD and to win that one they need to keep lowering prices.

Exactly. With the price point set rather high in entering the land of HD still way up there, a recession potentially occurring in the US, and more and more Americans not paying their CC on time, I hardly see any of this truly making any sort of impact. Anticipate any sort of adoption for another decade or so.

Kill DVD and then we'll talk. Until then, consumers will remain pawns in the chess game of corporate America. :devil:

I wonder how much Sony will be gloating at CES? :laugh: Anyone care to guess?

They'll claim to have reinvented the wheel like usual. :whistle:

[Ayepecks]

I wonder how much Sony will be gloating at CES? :laugh: Anyone care to guess?

A ton.

I bet their entire presentation in terms of Blu-Ray is gloating -- Sony likes to gloat. :laugh: (And I don't blame them in this case.)

[Elliot B.]

Imagine Neo as Warner Bros. and Sony as Zion ...

"He fights for us..."

It's one of the things I thought of when I read the title of this thread :p

[Guest]

Ohh well... I had high hopes for HD-DVD.

Nevermind, at least this war will be over sooner than expected and I can finally pick a next gen format.

[Ianwoollam]

I wonder how much Sony will be gloating at CES? :laugh: Anyone care to guess?

Just a bit :p I was really looking forward to this CES too, Hoping the 360 Ultimate would be announced and would make it a perfect little HD-DVD player for me when I upgraded my original 360. Now though whats the point? :( May actually have to blow the dust off my PS3 and fire it up and start buying more Blu-Ray movies :p

[Tech Star]

If the $650 million buyout deal is correct, this stinks. An inferior format winning because Sony is willing to buy their way to supremecy, without any thought to the consumer (as if any company cares for the consumer!). Just when HD-DVD was appearing to gain momentum, Sony pulls this. If they continue bribing studios, consumers who want to buy the better, more consistant format won't be able to, because Sony is willing to bribe the studios, at whatever cost, to "force" the consumer to buy their product.

If this deal is correct, I am now really mad at Sony. :crazy: I hope they bankrupt themselves with the costs of BD disc replication and bribing offers.

If there never was a deal, forget what I said above. :p

And for the record, I am against all buyout offers, including those put out by the HD-DVD Forum. The consumer should be the one to decide, not a for-profit mega-corporation.

It is just what Toshiba did, they paied Universal to go HD-DVD.

What happened with Betamax vs. VHS? An inferior format won, now I am not saying Blu-Ray is not inferior, Profile 2.0 should bring it up to speed with most of HD-DVD's features.

[+Mystic MVC]

Just a bit :p I was really looking forward to this CES too, Hoping the 360 Ultimate would be announced and would make it a perfect little HD-DVD player for me when I upgraded my original 360. Now though whats the point? :( May actually have to blow the dust off my PS3 and fire it up and start buying more Blu-Ray movies :p

I hope you didn't believe in the Ulitmate 360? Even though MS supports HD DVD, in the last couple of months surely they had seen the momentum coming for Blu Ray, so no way they would bet on something so risky and put it in a new SKU

[Ianwoollam]

I hope you didn't believe in the Ulitmate 360? Even though MS supports HD DVD, in the last couple of months surely they had seen the momentum coming for Blu Ray, so no way they would bet on something so risky and put it in a new SKU

I had hoped :p It seemed to come as a shock to Toshiba so Microsoft may not have known about Warner either, they may have thought that even though Blu-Ray had momentum a Integrated Xbox may swing it back in favour for HD-DVD. No hope now though...

[+Mystic MVC]

I had hoped :p No hope now though...

Sorry if it sounded rude before but I just get worked up on that subject. One ridiculous rumor got out of hand and suddenly it gets published all over.

[Boz]

It is just what Toshiba did, they paied Universal to go HD-DVD.

What happened with Betamax vs. VHS? An inferior format won, now I am not saying Blu-Ray is not inferior, Profile 2.0 should bring it up to speed with most of HD-DVD's features.

It's a long way until Profile 2.0 my friend and we had those things now for $99. This is what sucks. We all could buy $99 players for all of our rooms with fully featured HD content.

We could still feed our DVD players in cars or family members with twin discs to come or combos for the same price or a buck or two more then normal HD titles.

Instead, now, we will have $300-$500 players that are actually not complete but feature limited and if you want to use all features you will have to rebuy the player at $500+ later this year, not to mention that we might have to rebuy Profile 2.0 players next year for another $300-$500. And for what? For a few gigabytes of additional space on the disc that doesn't really give us any picture and audio improvement?

I think consumers lost big today. It just shows that the masses have no saying in this. Everything gets bought out and we will end up being screwed. Unfortunately.

If indeed HD DVD dies because of this (quite possible at this moment), you will most definitely see prices on Blu-Ray discs stay the same (no more BOGOs), regional coding will get enforced more as they have no reason to pretend that they are good too while offering some titles without region coding, players will reach $99 in 2015 instead of now and so on..

It's very dissapointing.

[DrCheese]

I will agree that the profile thing is stupid and always has been. There was really no need for it, other than maybe the cost. Special features mean jack to me and most people I know but still.

[+Elі Subscriber²]

It's a long way until Profile 2.0 my friend and we had those things now for $99. This is what sucks. We all could buy $99 players for all of our rooms with fully featured HD content.

We could still feed our DVD players in cars or family members with twin discs to come or combos for the same price or a buck or two more then normal HD titles.

Instead, now, we will have $300-$500 players that are actually not complete but feature limited and if you want to use all features you will have to rebuy the player at $500+ later this year, not to mention that we might have to rebuy Profile 2.0 players next year for another $300-$500. And for what? For a few gigabytes of additional space on the disc that doesn't really give us any picture and audio improvement?

I think consumers lost big today. It just shows that the masses have no saying in this. Everything gets bought out and we will end up being screwed. Unfortunately.

If indeed HD DVD dies because of this (quite possible at this moment), you will most definitely see prices on Blu-Ray discs stay the same (no more BOGOs), regional coding will get enforced more as they have no reason to pretend that they are good too while offering some titles without region coding, players will reach $99 in 2015 instead of now and so on..

It's very dissapointing.

I have to agree with you Boz, I feel the consumer is the one who lost today. Even though I still didn't buy either player I wanted HD-DVD to win for the advantages others have mentioned.

[PixilEyes]

I have a HDTV but my dvd player wont be going away any time soon. I could care less about quality for dvd is fine for me.

[Elliot B.]

I have a HDTV but my dvd player wont be going away any time soon. I could care less about quality for dvd is fine for me.

So why post? lol...