I will not buy Windows 7 unless it has ... *Feature*


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To me OEM crapware is the #1 problem Microsoft needs to take care of. Seriosly, when I learned how to bypass crapware installation with my Asus recovery cd, I was shocked that clean Vista installation was nothing like the horrible mess that greeted me when I first opened the laptop. A lot of people can't and wouldn't clean these software, and they have a horrible experience with their brand new computer.

- MS should work with OEMs and give whatever support they need for free to develop some better software. (driver tools, laptop tools etc.)

- They should include a built-in manager for crapware, maybe a list the user can configure at the OOBE wizard. Or at least some obvious way to get rid of them all at once. (ofcourse assuming they won't be able to get rid of all crapware)

A very valid point. Unfortunately for a long time now Microsoft has been more at the mercy of OEMs than vice versa. And if the OEMs are getting paid to include crapware, or they feel it gives them additional branding surface, they're going to push very hard for it.

That's not to say it won't get better.

Now, my understanding is/was that OEM's can sell laptops and Desktops so cheap if they include all this crapware. one that comes to mind is tangent.

so if THAT lowers the cost, why can't these firms offer an un-installation feature that removes what WE want to? It is our system after all isn't it?

this way, when I buy my new laptop, I can remove all those stupid games and MS office trial crap. in one swoop I mean to say.

  • 3 weeks later...
I disagree on the Windows Update thing. Keep it behind a UAC prompt. You shouldn't have access to install that kind of stuff on your system without elevation.

I think he means more along the lines of MacOS X, where you can check for updates, and it isn't until you actually install them when you are requested for the password.

As for the task manager, you shouldn't be able to play around with higher integrity-level processes, or processes you don't have access to without elevation (Hence the UAC prompt) or the entire system would be worthless. Perhaps showing the processes, maybe grayed out, or with an asterick or something, but not allowing you to end them until you restart the task manager as elevated.

MacOS X and *NIX simply only allow the users to modify processors which they own. I don't know it should be too difficult for Windows - unless UAC is a sham, and that the user account still actually has administration privileges.

As for the device manager, I partially agree. Viewing the list shouldn't require Admin privileges. In fact, you can get all of that info without elevation (Pulling win32_pnpentity from WMI seems to do the trick. You don't need anything above "User" to do that.) However, obviously making changes does.

I think that System Information doesn't require privilege elevation.

I'm really hoping for a new GUI, I'd love to see something that shows they've re-thought what is now the norm. I'd like to see some sweet fluidity, I mean why should a popup just popup out of nowhere? It should be visually clear where its coming from (instead of just having a big fat logo on there, I mean sure, we can slap icons/logos everywhere, ew), stuff like that, too abstract? Or am I over-thinking things?

Imagine windows that flow, resize on their own when they need to (user-configurable?) or move/change. Perhaps streamline a download status bar for any kind of download, whether for your antivirus definitions, firefox/IE, or latest MS updates, a streamlined progress bar that will be appropriately positioned on the desktop and easy to monitor =P. Take it farther by making those long installations truly a background process, where the window "hides" minimizes to a tiny status/progress bar somewhere on the desktop/or new taskbar?

Just tossing around some ideas heh

Mac OS X 10.5 comes on a dual layer ~8.54GB Disc, Windows Vista comes on a single layer ~4.7GB Disc. So which operating system is 'bloated' again?

As far as the looks of OS X 10.5 and Vista, I use both and I think they both have advantages but IMHO neither is perfect.

*kaiwai tazers 1Frothy*

Mac OS X 10.5 also comes with developer tools along header files, documentation etc. etc. You can install those separately after the install.

As for the word bloat; people, learn what it means. Bloat is the disproportionate size versus the functionality that it brings - and worse, when the added size and memory usage cannot be justified (aka, it takes more memory because it is managed code, and thus, the manage code allows greater security).

I think he means more along the lines of MacOS X, where you can check for updates, and it isn't until you actually install them when you are requested for the password.

UAC will not prompt you for a 'Check for Updates'.

It will only prompt you when you go to install updates manually.

MacOS X and *NIX simply only allow the users to modify processors which they own. I don't know it should be too difficult for Windows - unless UAC is a sham, and that the user account still actually has administration privileges.

Launching the task manager to modify your own processes doesn't not require Admin privileges or a UAC prompt.

However, it has a button "Show Processes from all users", which allows you to modify system processes and other user's processes. This button triggers a UAC prompt, obviously, as the task manager must relaunch itself as an Administrator to perform these operations.

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I guess Microsoft is shooting itself in the foot. The new activation system seriously sucks for businesses.

Corporations can manage their own VLKs I believe.

Cue, my blog post: http://www.geeksanatomy.com/2008/06/all-i-want-for-seven-is/

Never saw this topic until today, but yeah, basically I'm dying for Seven to have what I listed.

Just post the list here and let us discuss it. Blog redirection is naughty here. ;)

I'm really hoping for a new GUI, I'd love to see something that shows they've re-thought what is now the norm. I'd like to see some sweet fluidity, I mean why should a popup just popup out of nowhere? It should be visually clear where its coming from (instead of just having a big fat logo on there, I mean sure, we can slap icons/logos everywhere, ew), stuff like that, too abstract? Or am I over-thinking things?

Imagine windows that flow, resize on their own when they need to (user-configurable?) or move/change. Perhaps streamline a download status bar for any kind of download, whether for your antivirus definitions, firefox/IE, or latest MS updates, a streamlined progress bar that will be appropriately positioned on the desktop and easy to monitor =P. Take it farther by making those long installations truly a background process, where the window "hides" minimizes to a tiny status/progress bar somewhere on the desktop/or new taskbar?

Just tossing around some ideas heh

None of those are bad ideas, but the problem is getting developers to use them. Firefox, for example, is multi-platform so it uses as few proprietary APIs as possible, whether on Windows, Mac OS, Linux, or whatever.

None of those are bad ideas, but the problem is getting developers to use them. Firefox, for example, is multi-platform so it uses as few proprietary APIs as possible, whether on Windows, Mac OS, Linux, or whatever.

True, but thats why MS needs to spearhead such efforts. Who else? some 3rd party app that will hardly penetrate the avg user base.

Windows having a certain UI won't make other OS's emulate the UI, and neither will cross platform apps.

Apple gets crap for having Safari, iTunes and QuickTime look like their OS X counterparts, Microsoft doing the same thing won't get them praise.

Anyway, MS already has a background downloading program, they could slap a UI on that and provide a unifed download manager, but apps still wouldn't use it. Firefox for example hooks it's download manager into the places system (so it's fully search-able via the UI, in 3.1 there might be a downloads section in the places organiser, right there with bookmarks and history)

Registry, to be honest is getting far too complex to maintain.While scrapping registry is not entirely possible due to compatibility reason. They should look for alternative method.

Install like OSX - I agree to a certain extend. But not simply copy and paste into Application folder.. Just GREATLY simplify installation procedure.

Uninstall from Single Location - No more going into software for its uninstall routine. Windows Should provide uninstall ability from a single entry point. User who want to remove software will go there instead.

Get Rid of Windows xxxxxxx... Naming Scheme. Media Player, Photo Gallery will do. No need to add Windows in front of them.

Control Panel - Seriously Vista Control Panel is POOR. It is an HyperLink HELL!!! Even XP's Control Panel is better.

And some of the options inside are still out of place. Microsoft should seriously rethink the whole Control Panel.

Start Menu - They should force every application on their own, No more Application Folder > Application Link.

This way we get all our apps we want without multiple hierarchy.

There are loads more.

Get Rid of Windows xxxxxxx... Naming Scheme. Media Player, Photo Gallery will do. No need to add Windows in front of them.

why they name it this way ?

just because they cant copyright Media player ...photo gallery......etc for obsessive reason as it is so general name .

why they name it this way ?

just because they cant copyright Media player ...photo gallery......etc for obsessive reason as it is so general name .

It would actually help distinguish them in a crowded task bar, where all you see is Windo... Windo..

Uninstall from Single Location - No more going into software for its uninstall routine. Windows Should provide uninstall ability from a single entry point. User who want to remove software will go there instead.

well i always remove software from Uninstall a program in control panel and it's always worked fine for me. i'm pretty sure that's how you're are supposed to remove stuff. i wouldn't even know how to do it not via a "single location"

well i always remove software from Uninstall a program in control panel and it's always worked fine for me. i'm pretty sure that's how you're are supposed to remove stuff. i wouldn't even know how to do it not via a "single location"

Yeah, Windows has provided a single uninstall point since Windows 95.

The problem comes because lots of people writing programs for Windows are stupid and useless and don't do things properly.

Uninstallers that install into the windows directory, and remove everything but the uninstallers are great. Even better are the uninstallers that uninstall nothing but the entry in the windows uninstaller section, and still require a restart.

why they name it this way ?

just because they cant copyright Media player ...photo gallery......etc for obsessive reason as it is so general name .

Partly it likely has to do with trademarks and such. See Raymond's post here.

I believe there was also a desire during Vista's development to ensure that users knew which applications came with Windows, and which ones were crapware installed by their OEM.

Uninstall from Single Location - No more going into software for its uninstall routine. Windows Should provide uninstall ability from a single entry point. User who want to remove software will go there instead.

Get Rid of Windows xxxxxxx... Naming Scheme. Media Player, Photo Gallery will do. No need to add Windows in front of them.

Control Panel - Seriously Vista Control Panel is POOR. It is an HyperLink HELL!!! Even XP's Control Panel is better.

And some of the options inside are still out of place. Microsoft should seriously rethink the whole Control Panel.

Start Menu - They should force every application on their own, No more Application Folder > Application Link.

This way we get all our apps we want without multiple hierarchy.

There are loads more.

uninstall from single location -- fyi, that exists already, for some time... Add/Remove Programs in XP and older, Programs & Features for vista... you should blame the people who write programs with craptasic uninstallers

Get Rid of Windows xxxxxxx -- if you complain about microsoft doing that, you might as well complain about every other software developer adding their company name in front of their programs... for example Adobe Photoshop, Adobe Dreamweaver, Adobe Illustrator, Adobe Flash, and so on...

Control Panel -- the vista cp is more or less the same as the xp cp... if you dont like the categories, just switch to classic view.

Start Menu -- this must really annoy you for you to really point it out. if you dont like it, you can move the shortcuts to the main application folder. at least thats what i think you are trying to say...

these things you pointed out seem like something you pointed out for the sake of saying you dont like windows. some dont even make sense (like the uninstall from single location). some of these things are out of microsoft's control.

microsoft's control on software developers is like democracy... they can do anything they want. apple's control seems like communism (or fascism), not to mention windows developers outnumber mac developers by a lot. microsoft has no way to police programs.

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Windows 7 requires the following features:

* When installing, the ability to install subsets of programs like DESKTOP, LAPTOP, etc (like Win98 install did)

* A light weight OS, very small foot print (2 GB clean install not 20)

* Massive DLL clean up or a totally new system (I am sick and tired of DLL crashes after 10 years for this b*s - even Windows Explorer does this to me)

* Very detailed documentation (evil MS has added undocumented features and code since the latter years of DOS )

* Total and Complete Access to Task Manager and the ability is kill off unwanted memory huggers (especially trojans who create a random name and putting itself right back into memory)

* Remove ActiveX

* Time Machine like Mac OS X

* A better Remote Access (I tried removing viruses from a friend's Vista computer, Vista kept locking me out)

* Multiple Layers of Firewalls

* One version of Windows 7 - not Basic, Home, Professional, etc, etc, et al. STOP this madness. Exterminate Annihilate Destroy!

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Well hell... why not just run OS X on PC hardware?

May be because in the 99% of the cases you are unable to install it, not at least that you consider irrelevant the lack of wifi, sound, monitor resolution, network and/or 3d acceleration.

* When installing, the ability to install subsets of programs like DESKTOP, LAPTOP, etc (like Win98 install did)

* A light weight OS, very small foot print (2 GB clean install not 20)

* Massive DLL clean up or a totally new system (I am sick and tired of DLL crashes after 10 years for this b*s - even Windows Explorer does this to me)

* Very detailed documentation (evil MS has added undocumented features and code since the latter years of DOS )

* Total and Complete Access to Task Manager and the ability is kill off unwanted memory huggers (especially trojans who create a random name and putting itself right back into memory)

* Remove ActiveX

* Time Machine like Mac OS X

* A better Remote Access (I tried removing viruses from a friend's Vista computer, Vista kept locking me out)

* Multiple Layers of Firewalls

* One version of Windows 7 - not Basic, Home, Professional, etc, etc, et al. STOP this madness. Exterminate Annihilate Destroy

Amen.

Also :* A light weight OS, very small foot print (2 GB clean install not 20) and less that 1gb of memory ram

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This lets you keep Wi-Fi and Bluetooth on (say, if you want to receive notifications, for some reason) and keep audio playing when locked. Turning these features off effectively eliminates any standby battery drain. I left my Krono sitting for 24 hours with a clock screensaver on, and it did not drop a single percent. The pretty big 3,950 mAh battery justifies the device's thickness and ensures you do not have to charge it for long periods. Speaking of charging, it is capped at only 10W, which is a bit disappointing, as getting such a big battery to 100% takes a notably long time in the era of super-fast charging smartphones. DuRoBo Moodi The Moodi is a standalone, optional accessory for your Krono. It is a wireless remote with two customizable buttons that you can use to flip pages, control media, or scroll webpages. The accessory connects via Bluetooth. Despite having a built-in rechargeable battery, it is extremely light. While the Moodi's shape and form factor is not what I would call particularly ergonomic, it is not uncomfortable to hold and use. The Moodi comes with six removable magnetic buttons with various smiley faces. Buttons sit securely, and they have nice-feeling, albeit a little loud, clicks. It is a cute touch that adds a little more fun and character to the device. There is also an accented power button and a single status LED. The latter displays charging status and connection mode. The Moodi supports three modes: Reading: Buttons work as volume buttons, allowing you to flip pages in the built-in reader or other apps that support page turning with volume buttons. Media: Buttons work as skip forward/backward, which is useful when listening to audiobooks, podcasts, or music. Scroll: The third mode lets you scroll pages in the web browser or any other application The Krono properly detects the Moodi and presents you with an on-screen guide when you connect it for the first time (it also displays the battery level). However, you can only change modes by holding both buttons for a few seconds. It is also worth noting that the Moodi works with other devices. I connected it to my iPhone and it let me adjust volume or control media playback. Sadly, the scroll did not work, so you cannot use it to waste time scrolling TikToks. Overall, the Moodi is a cute little accessory, which I can recommend for those who read a lot. It is very useful for remote page flipping when you do not want to burden your hands by holding the Krono all the time. I only wish DuRoBo included a lanyard for the built-in loop. As for the battery life, after using the Moodi for a few days, I only managed to drop several percent of its 90 mAh battery. Despite the small size, it is rated for weeks of use, which is pretty impressive. At $35.99, I cannot say the Moodi is a must-have accessory, but I see the appeal. I prefer using the Krono with its Smart Dial, as I rarely read for more than 40-60 minutes in one sitting. However, if you have a stand and like reading for long periods, the Moodi is the right thing to have. It is a bit more expensive than regular page flippers on Amazon, but it is on par with similar products from Kobo or BOOX. Plus, it has a little more fun to it with removable buttons and better integration into the Krono. Conclusion At the end of the day, DuRoBo Krono is a nice pocket-sized e-reader. Its software focuses on the main things without trying to be everything at once. The smart dial idea is unique and great, and I wish more manufacturers had something similar in their devices. The display is also good, with an even frontlight and "always-on" support. I did not notice any deal-breaking issues with the Krono. However, you can feel that the idea needs some improvements, such as a slightly stiffer dial in a more ergonomic location, perhaps a little more premium materials, and better software customization. I hope the company won't give up on the idea and improve the dial and ergonomics in the second generation. Buy DuRoBo Krono Black - $279.99 on Amazon Buy DuRoBo Krono White - $279.99 on Amazon Buy DuRoBo Moodi - $35.99 on Amazon As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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