Firefox 3.0 Beta 3

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For what? 3.0beta3 is out. There will be a beta 4, and at least one Release Candidate (my money's on at least two). So there's still some months to go!

I should have been more specific. Has there been any release dates talked about for the final release of Firefox 3.0

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My point is many people aren't even going to see it as they automatically close the bookmarks toolbar... and if it's there by default, common users may never know :)
But if you're migrating from 2.x to 3.0 using your 2.x profile, your toolbar and button arrangements (including Home and the bookmarks toolbar) won't be changed...

So again I fail to see your point.

Unless by "automatically" you mean someone pulls up the context menu and unchecks the toolbar before they even look at it. Which, is moronic, and a behavior that braking for the sake of more intuitive default configuration, is trade-worthy.

They should never change the layout of the browser,
Luddite.
...which is why I hate IE7's layout, although I still find it (Trident) fast enough to use in Windows rather than Firefox.
But it won't be like migrating from IE6 to IE7; they've only changed the default placement on new user profiles. And when you update your old profile will be automatically migrated. Edited by shakey_snake
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But if you're migrating from 2.x to 3.0 using your 2.x profile, your toolbar and button arrangements (including Home and the bookmarks toolbar) won't be changed...

So again I fail to see your point.

Yeah I agree. I think the bookmark toolbar makes sense and since it respects old profiles it wont hurt existing users. If people were to install fresh they already have to go to the effort to remove the toolbar so they can make that change then. No biggie at all IMHO.

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But if you're migrating from 2.x to 3.0 using your 2.x profile, your toolbar and button arrangements (including Home and the bookmarks toolbar) won't be changed...

So again I fail to see your point.

I fail to see yours, honestly.

How is it of benefit? If someone wants a link to their home page in their bookmarks, they'll put it there. It was on the main navigation to be more convenient.

And I never said anything about migrating users :)

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We're talking about default placement. The bookmarks toolbar is shown, by default, so I don't get your point.

Yeah we know it's on by default, but a good chunk of us just turn it off. I had just done a fresh install of XP before installing it, so nothing was migrated. So when I first opened it I closed the toolbar before realizing the Home button was there. Not everyone is going to use the default layout.

You're making it sound like it's a very big issue that we're whining about and we're not. You think it's makes more sense being in there and that's your opinion. Your opinion isn't fact and neither is mine.

You're turning this issue into something it's not. You make it sound like we're whining that we'd have to move the button back and we're not. Like it's going to kill us to do it.

I just prefer the Home button where it usually is and didn't realzie they moved it. No big issue there I just didn't see it at first.

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Nah i think it uses native cocoa as i saw it as a major change they wanted to bring in os x , according to their roadmap. Not 100 percent sure though...

It uses Cocoa API's to draw web page widgets now, so they no longer look like Windows 95 buttons.

And changing the Home button to reside on the toolbar isn't that big a deal, it's only around 30-40 pixels away from where it was, and you can still move it around (although there is what i assume a bug, it moved the home button for me to the bookmarks toolbar even though i had customized them and hidden the bookmarks toolbar, so it just vanished for me)

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How is it of benefit?
1. It's more logical to have bookmarks all together, and Home is just a glorified bookmark.

2. It mimics IE7, assisting user migrating from it. Firefox has always found it advantageous to adapt IE's (or Opera's) behaviors when they are superior behaviors (especially if it's something Mozilla pioneered in the first place. ;)).

3. It reduces the number of buttons on the Navigation toolbar, making those functions more accessible.

If someone wants a link to their home page in their bookmarks, they'll put it there.
If someone wants it on the navigation bar, then they'll put it there, as well.

It was on the main navigation to be more convenient.
It was on the main navigation bar for historical reasons. The first Mosaic beta had a home button, and it's been duplicated since. Now that we have bookmark toolbars, it's really an antiquated idea.
You're making it sound like it's a very big issue that we're whining about and we're not. You think it's makes more sense being in there and that's your opinion. Your opinion isn't fact and neither is mine.
Some people have better justified opinions than others. ;)
You're turning this issue into something it's not. You make it sound like we're whining that we'd have to move the button back and we're not. Like it's going to kill us to do it.
Then get on with life then.
Does anyone know how to get the old drop part of the Address bar back? :( Its bloody awful how it is atm.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/6227

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Doesn't work in FireFox Beta 3. :\

For some reason, the dev's removed the about:config option to turn off the new "Awesome bar". There was really no need for them to do so but they did.

Anyway, First install nighty tester tools from here

http://www.oxymoronical.com/web/firefox/nightly

Go to addons > Make all compatible > then click on nightly tester tools > Options > addons > Disable addon compatibility checking.

The addon should now install correctly.

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The icons are crap. I used the userchrome.css thing to get the vista ones and they are a little better, but come on mozilla you can do better than that! The back button looks like crap and is blurry with rough edges and doesn't seem to be centered right on the toolbar.

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1. It's more logical to have bookmarks all together, and Home is just a glorified bookmark.

2. It mimics IE7, assisting user migrating from it. Firefox has always found it advantageous to adapt IE's (or Opera's) behaviors when they are superior behaviors (especially if it's something Mozilla pioneered in the first place. ;)).

3. It reduces the number of buttons on the Navigation toolbar, making those functions more accessible.

If someone wants it on the navigation bar, then they'll put it there, as well.

It was on the main navigation bar for historical reasons. The first Mosaic beta had a home button, and it's been duplicated since. Now that we have bookmark toolbars, it's really an antiquated idea.

Some people have better justified opinions than others. ;)

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/6227

You missed the point entirely, yet again.

If someone wants a link to their home page -- a bookmark of their home page -- they'll put it in their bookmarks. Why have a redundant feature like that? It's not only there (navigation bar) for historical reasons -- it's there because it's the most convenient place.

It may be an "antiquated" idea, but at least it's not a stupid one (having a button for a link instead of just having a bookmark). And how does reducing the number of buttons make other functions more accessible? I don't understand that at all. Unless someone has 90 buttons, they should all be accessible :blink: And IE7's home link is not in a bookmarks toolbar. It's in the command bar -- where all the commands are. Try again :)

You're right... some people do have more justified opinions than others! :)

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You missed the point entirely, yet again.
Maybe if you bothered to make one, I wouldn't have such a hard time figuring out why you continue to post in this thread.
If someone wants a link to their home page -- a bookmark of their home page -- they'll put it in their bookmarks. Why have a redundant feature like that?
So that it loads when they start a new browser session, maybe? Are you saying that in order to be less redundant, someone ought to set their homepage and create a bookmark for their home page? :blink:
It's not only there (navigation bar) for historical reasons -- it's there because it's the most convenient place.
Being an almost completely subjective metric in this case, convenience isn't the basis for real argument.
It may be an "antiquated" idea, but at least it's not a stupid one (having a button for a link instead of just having a bookmark). And how does reducing the number of buttons make other functions more accessible? I don't understand that at all.
Well I guess you're alone in that regard. Google for interface design rules: interface%20design%20rules&complete=1&hl=en. Click the first search result, and read it's first rule:
1) Probability

The more things you have on the screen, the higher the probability that a user will get confused or distracted from their original task. This is true for both websites and software. A page with 1000 links is more likely to distract you then a page with only 4 links.

Don't even get me started on Opera's fast-forward and rewind buttons. :p
And IE7's home link is not in a bookmarks toolbar. It's in the command bar -- where all the commands are. Try again :)
:rolleyes: I never said IE7's Home button was on the bookmarks toolbar. Heck, if I was going to say that I'd at least used the proper name; IE7 doesn't have a bookmarks toolbar, it has a Links bar. Try again.

I said "It mimics IE7", meaning that the home button is out of the way of the proper navigation tools: the back, forwards, stop and refresh buttons.

See:

IE6-IE7.png

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