CCleaner 2.05.555

[TimePiece]

lol, you should really read the whole thing or at least the second part of that page:

'Adware included ... Ask Toolbar... However you can uncheck this at installation. The software is trying to change your Default Search Engine.'

I suppose you take that for normal behavior in a software, right? :rolleyes: Especially a renowned burning application... Interesting...

Well, if you don't read or even look at something to the end of it and applications changing the default search engine or homepage are something quite normal to you... I'm really surprised your computer isn't full of bundled toolbars and programs :p

But getting to the matter at hand: Yahoo! Toolbar (for example) is not adware because of what it does or does not do, it's adware just for what it... is. And what is Yahoo! Toolbar? What is Google Toolbar? Applications BUNDLED with another program, applications NOT needed by the application to run, applications added to the installer that DO NOT serve any purpose to the main software, just to the producer [to earn a few bucks from its (gullible) users]!

I'm not the (only) one who says these programs are not ok. Did you take a look at SiteAdvisor lately? Any website that lists programs with bundled software or, even more important, that change your homepage, is listed as YELLOW. Why? Maybe because that' not normal? ;)

For me it's almost... scary to see how many people see something NATURAL in programs changing the homepage, changing the default search engine, installing toolbars or other crappy software that has NOTHING to do with the program they're really interested in.

As Martin Luther King said it: I have a dream! That all programs are created equal: WITHOUT bundled software :D Just the program I wanna see, not Yahoo Toolbar, not Ask Toolbar, not Google Toolbar, not Congoo NetPass Toolbar. I want CLEAN programs, without ANY useless third-party adware, programs with installers through which you can click your way without the need to read the EULA or search for browser altering components...

But hey... I'm just a dreamer... :)

If it tries to change your homepage without warrant, then it is an issue and that can be "roughly" considered adware. ROUGHLY.

But what about Google Earth, and other legitimate programs you label "adware"? Those certainly aren't adware by any means. Google doesn't change anything unless you tell it to. So I don't see the problem.

No one is saying that bundling toolbars or third party software is desirable. But what the people on this forum and others on the internet expect is proper identification based on widely accepted definitions and calling it like it is. If a program is BUNDLING a separate program then call it just that, not ADWARE, because one certainly does not receive ADVERTISEMENTS when using Yahoo Toolbar, Google Toolbar, etc. It certainly is lazy on Softpedia's part to categorize every undesirable behavior as adware, besides the fact that is misleading to the downloader. A downloader might think "hmm, Google Earth displays unwarranted ads, therefore I shouldn't download it" when in fact it is just a simple opt-out toolbar from a legitimate company which is not harmful. Remember, most internet users don't scroll down a page, so putting that warning at the bottom of the description page is not very helpful since the users it is meant to target (newbs) will never find it to begin with.

If you saw, people in this thread took offense to the fact that you labeled CCleaner+Yahoo! Toolbar as "adware" when it certainly is not (where are the ads?). It is merely a simple case of "bundling".

It is not like these toolbars are installing themselves. You have to READ the fine print, read every screen, read every EULA. If you think that you should avoid these things, then you are quite mistaken. Even without a bundled piece of software users should be paying attention to every screen and piece of text. It is the inability to read every screen and every EULA that people run into software conflicts, or errors, or other unknown problems.

Softpedia should try to focus more on making a better site rather than focusing on an agenda with redefining the word "adware"...: http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_...amp;size=Medium

[suicide_pact]

I've always unchecked all the toolbar options, and have had nothing but positive results with CCleaner. I have never had a home page changed, a toolbar installed, or had any virus, adware , or malware scanner indicate anything to the contrary.

[Azmodan]

If it tries to change your homepage without warrant, then it is an issue and that can be "roughly" considered adware. ROUGHLY.

But what about Google Earth, and other legitimate programs you label "adware"? Those certainly aren't adware by any means. Google doesn't change anything unless you tell it to. So I don't see the problem.

No one is saying that bundling toolbars or third party software is desirable. But what the people on this forum and others on the internet expect is proper identification based on widely accepted definitions and calling it like it is. If a program is BUNDLING a separate program then call it just that, not ADWARE, because one certainly does not receive ADVERTISEMENTS when using Yahoo Toolbar, Google Toolbar, etc. It certainly is lazy on Softpedia's part to categorize every undesirable behavior as adware, besides the fact that is misleading to the downloader. A downloader might think "hmm, Google Earth displays unwarranted ads, therefore I shouldn't download it" when in fact it is just a simple opt-out toolbar from a legitimate company which is not harmful. Remember, most internet users don't scroll down a page, so putting that warning at the bottom of the description page is not very helpful since the users it is meant to target (newbs) will never find it to begin with.

If you saw, people in this thread took offense to the fact that you labeled CCleaner+Yahoo! Toolbar as "adware" when it certainly is not (where are the ads?). It is merely a simple case of "bundling".

It is not like these toolbars are installing themselves. You have to READ the fine print, read every screen, read every EULA. If you think that you should avoid these things, then you are quite mistaken. Even without a bundled piece of software users should be paying attention to every screen and piece of text. It is the inability to read every screen and every EULA that people run into software conflicts, or errors, or other unknown problems.

Problem is that the average person doesn't reads EULAs or license agreements. They just want the software, they won't read something that's almost unreadable by people that aren't lawyers. Bundling an unwanted application, checked as default and making it not very visible, you're technically making the average person install it. You could practically say the same about those Pro-enviromental CDs that f*cked up Mac laptops because of the really small label that's written on it that says 'DON'T USE ON MACS'. Of course, if you put a million pies with a small label that says 'POISONOUS - DO NOT EAT' will leave at least one person dead.

However, I agree that these kind of applications shouldn't be labelled adware. They don't display ads, but they do collect data from the client, thus being spyware. Did the average person knew about it? They just have a friendly toolbar on top of his browser, maybe a couple more, it might end up looking like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Spyware_infestation.png

Of course Yahoo! doesn't propagates virally like the rest of the toolbars in that image, using annoying ActiveX applets or vulnerabilities in your browser, but it's still exploiting the average user by the reasons I explained before.

People want CCleaner. People don't want the Yahoo! toolbar, otherwise they would searched for it. Respecting people's choice is important. Bundling unwanted applications with your product might be legal, but it is immoral.

EDIT: Adding URL to the Pro-enviromental CDs.

Edited February 25, 2008 by Azmodan

[Nozavi]

@TimePiece:

After reading the first part of Azmodan's post, I don't have much to say... I was very surprised to see how far you can go to prove your point (you remind me of an old 'pal' of mine, Copernic :D). The above posts represent my personal opinion, as a PC user, and express solely my expectations.

So I won't respond to your malicious comments regarding Softpedia (since the company's policy regarding adware was made public and you're more than welcomed to post your opinion on the site, board, whatever), but I do want to clarify my opinion regarding adware (and spyware). I have a simple definition of CLEAN, without any trace of adware: An application with an installer through which you can click your way without the need to read the EULA or search for browser altering components and other crappy third-party utility I'm really NOT interested in (as I already said in my previous post) - as MOST users do, especially those who never heard of adware or spyware, and THERE ARE a lot of them, saying there a few would be ignorant and very foolish - that once installed doesn't annoy the user with advertisement banners, links or useless desktop URLs. Now that's clean!

And yeah, it's very easy for you, for me and most probably for anybody here to say: Hey! What the heck? It's just a toolbar that can be unchecked. I can do that! Yes, a lot of people can do that, but a whole lot of people have no idea what the checkbox means, what it implies. Don't tell me you don't know at least ONE person, you don't have at least ONE girl friend that never used a computer or used it, but not for something else other than chatting or watching a movie. Do you think they would think to read the EULA or what's checked or not checked in an installer? No, sir! They don't! And so... money are made 'thanks' to the lack of attention or knowledge of milions and milions of people... Nice, eh?

[Smigit]

If a user is knowledgeable enough to use CCleaner then I feel they should be knowledgeable enough to install the application properly. It's not really the sort of app I see a complete drop dead computer novice using. Also not reading the EULA is one thing, but if the user isn't reading the check box's next to the options really it's their own fault. Theres plenty of legit apps that will do annoying things you don't want if you dont examine the options, be it include extra features (as part of the app or 3rd party ones), place shortcuts, set browser defaults ect. Pretty much EVERY web browser or media player will by default want to set itself as the default player/viewer for all supported formats too. Really, if the user isn't going to take the 3 seconds to read what hes doing then I think it's their own fault. hell, I think the two "add context menu" options are more annoying than having the Yahoo one there.

I also fail to see how the option is that hard to read unless your just hitting 'OK' without remotly looking at the screen.

It's just a toolbar that can be unchecked. I can do that! Yes, a lot of people can do that, but a whole lot of people have no idea what the checkbox means, what it implies. Don't tell me you don't know at least ONE person, you don't have at least ONE girl friend that never used a computer or used it, but not for something else other than chatting or watching a movie.

As above...would this user be installing CCleaner or have even heard of it? You could argue they will have trouble setting up Visual Studio or installing an Apache server too. Really it's not that big a problem, the option is in no way hidden or obscure. Edited February 27, 2008 by Smigit

[DJ_Alex]

There is a proggie better than cccleaner: Glarysoft Registry Repair and Registry Mechanic

[EaglePC]

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Location: C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Start Menu\Programs\Registry Repair

Selected for removal: Yes

RogueRemover has found the objects above.

[gregj66]

I was always download the 'Slim' version under 'other builds'. Nothing but the program.

[(Spork)]

love this program but is there anyway to STOP it from eating all my saved cookies from sites like this ? ive added them tot he list but there still Gone after i run the program

[Azmodan]

I was always download the 'Slim' version under 'other builds'. Nothing but the program.

Thanks for pointing out the exact location, I couldn't find it.

CCleaner v2.05.555 - Standard Build

2,670KB

CCleaner v2.05.555 - Slim

- No Toolbar

657KB

Four times and a little more smaller....