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[htcz]

This is actually the third time they are facing at Mania, not fourth time. 1st was WM 17 and second was last year.

You are correct. I apologize :)

Ok this is where i dont respect triple H, he has to hog the limelight all the time. Even during the cena rise era of 2006 onwards he tried with all his might to be the bigger star but people didnt accept it. Now he has to show cena and rock down with a hell in a cell match with the undertaker. That is just his big ass ego.

I think it was said in this thread that it was rumored he was trying something like this (and has succeeded). A regular match would not have outdone the Cena vs Rock match (which IMO is already overhyped) so he had to do it big. Although Im not sure they can do better.....even though we are guaranteed to see them climb to the top of the celll because 1) They have to really go all out on this one 2) Noone else has the balls to go to the top of this bigger cell.

That is why i absolutely love jericho, he not only talks the talk but also walks the walk when he says that he wants new guys to come on top. Just see some of his numerous interviews all over the youtube. He is an amazing performer and has been since his early days (by early i mean wcw not the mexican or japanese promotions he performed for)

For the record, his early days were ECW.

I really wish to see jericho win the match along with the rock. Rock has and always will be the greatest when it comes down to getting people involved in the theatrics. People respond to him unlike any other superstar (atleast since i started watching) even undertaker doesnt get the same pop that the rock gets.

There is a big difference between what we want and what will problably happen. I think everyone wants (or wanted a few months ago) for the Rock to win, although WWE has spinned EVERYTHING IT COULD to make Cena fan favorite.

I dont really care about the other matches :p

Money in the bank is always intresting :) Have to love ladder matches.

Pretty much those three are the most interesting. Daniel Bryan vs Sheamus is pretty much Smackdown: Boring, second mid-low card, not interesting, etc etc.........Bryan could save it with some interesting wrestling but other than that. If you notice, all week RAW is a "Supershow" :p and they have some Smackdown talent fight on there :p People don't care about Smackdown and the other day when it was "live" you could hear it.

[Muhammad Farrukh]

Cena v/s Rock = Rock for sure

Triple H v/s Undertaker = Undertaker for sure

CM Punk v/s Jericho = Jericho for, ..., yeah for sure

[philixus1988]

Cena v/s Rock = Rock for sure

Triple H v/s Undertaker = Undertaker for sure

CM Punk v/s Jericho = Jericho for, ..., yeah for sure

I really really hope so. But Rock and Jericho are not going to win unless someone else interferes.

Rock because its more of a torch passing match than anything else. And its two of the Vince's most near and dear performers so thats pretty much sums up the odds of rock winning over cena. Rock will do anything vince says as long as he gets to keep his persona of 'the great one' intact through mic skills and whatnot.

Jericho might win he has better odds of winning than rock just because he and punk are both dont actually give two hoots about what vince thinks of them. Jericho because he can live off of his bands royalties and punk because well no matter what anybody says he is THE guy people want to see with a mic in his hands and performing in the ring.

I agree with undertaker's win, he is going out winning no way in hell he is losing a hell in a cell in wrestlemania.

[Muhammad Farrukh]

ok saw this weeks raw,

it was pretty ENTERTAINING JUST like raw should be the first punk and y2j arguement was nice and damn PUNK stumbling on his words not kewl lol

the other thing that was good to see was the battle between john and teddy lol and teddy showing off his tude side HAHA

the rock segment kinda was boring at start and although the crowd was with him, he dragged it along and felt repetitive, didnt deliver as expected when cena came out to pump that was nice tho, rock although with all that crowd on his side, cena's still pwning IMO... and damn soo many stumbles this raw episode, first it was punk and NOW ROCK stumbled at times too weak

[philixus1988]

I am liking the Jericho vs Punk angle. You can actually tell by the look on Punks face that he respects jericho a lot. He was nodding at most of jericho's arguements. Pretty Nicely done promo to tell you the truth apart from the very odd fumbling of words on punk's part.

WWE is trying to give Rock vs Cena the same kind of spin they gave to Punk vs Cena rivalry back in 2011 summer. Just check out what cena said regarding bits of papers and promo. I loled at that sentence. Atleast they are trying.

I am gonna try to watch all the raw shows till wrestlemania and if Jericho wins then i will watch raw again till he loses his championship :p

Edit: Just wanted to add that i loved the liontamer on punk by jericho. He ought to use that a lot more.

[Muhammad Farrukh]

Jericho vs Punk feude will indeed be interesting

[philixus1988]

What are they gonna do about Kane? Does he not get a wrestlemania match?

[Muhammad Farrukh]

Who cares about Kane.

Pfffttt.

I am interested mainly in two matches.

Rock vs Cena

and

Jericho vs Punk

(Y)

[philixus1988]

Who cares about Kane.

Pfffttt.

I am interested mainly in two matches.

Rock vs Cena

and

Jericho vs Punk

(Y)

Lol i do thats why i asked. Anyhoo it seems like Cody will go up against Big Show. Kane v/s Ryder might be interesting.

[Muhammad Farrukh]

I was just kiddin

Kane vs Ryder might be indeed interesting.

Or, they can have Big Show or Henry to fight him

[htcz]

Swagger vs someone (If they dont give him the MITB match, Santino???)

Damn, Im getting pretty good at this :p Called another one....

I have to agree on some things:

part 1 of Rock vs Cena was pretty boring. Cena said it this week, twitter **** and pretty much nonsense. Cena won that one.

Now this weeks' part was completely the Rock again. The segments were great. Rock won that one.

On a side note: What does Cena say? "The Rock reads his lines off his a....." It doesnt matter what Cena says! (Man I hope he does that one once to Cena please). Like The Rock said: Its entertainment: People come to be entertained and frankly some of the matches are pretty boring (coughcoughdivascoughcough) so the Rock is great for that.

The rivalry is being overhyped but the WWE is pretty much getting the job done.

On other topics, HBK is really not necessary for the HINC match. IMO, it would have been great one vs one. Changes a lot of things......Lets see next week, when HBK and Undertake see eye to eye and see if anything pops up to say a winner.

BTW, Cena ****ed it up on his promo: "New champions crowned".........Come on. We already know at least one title was going to change hands but just dont "say it".

[episode]

^ Rock 'lost' this week too. I saw people asking last night if Rock was intentionally tanking the promos to make Cena look good. I doubt thats the case, The Rock just doesn't have it anymore. Thats why his taped segments are much better than his live work. He gets multiple takes. Cena 'won' the crowd two weeks in a row. This week was in Boston, yes, and that helped. But finally Cena is earning more of the respect he deserves because he is proving he can stand toe to toe with The Great One on the mic. When he does it in the ring, as well, he should earn even more respect.

HBK in the HiaC doesn't mean much. They would NEVER end the streak on a screwjob finish like HBK not letting UT win. So the only thing he might do is prevent HHH from winning, which is possible but unlikely.

A lot of people mentioned the Cena promo and what he said. He was just generalizing. Everyone gives him too much credit. He doesn't know the outcomes of things he isn't involved in any more than anyone else on the roster.

[htcz]

^ Rock 'lost' this week too. I saw people asking last night if Rock was intentionally tanking the promos to make Cena look good. I doubt thats the case, The Rock just doesn't have it anymore. Thats why his taped segments are much better than his live work. He gets multiple takes. Cena 'won' the crowd two weeks in a row. This week was in Boston, yes, and that helped. But finally Cena is earning more of the respect he deserves because he is proving he can stand toe to toe with The Great One on the mic. When he does it in the ring, as well, he should earn even more respect.

HBK in the HiaC doesn't mean much. They would NEVER end the streak on a screwjob finish like HBK not letting UT win. So the only thing he might do is prevent HHH from winning, which is possible but unlikely.

A lot of people mentioned the Cena promo and what he said. He was just generalizing. Everyone gives him too much credit. He doesn't know the outcomes of things he isn't involved in any more than anyone else on the roster.

I was commenting on the whole: The segments are, like you said, indeed taped so there was problably more than one take. Its obvious he has lost at live as it happens to all comidians: Sandler, Rock, Spade, etc etc....They lose practice and they arent as good any more. At least, now he has the chance to practice as (AFAIK) this is the first time in a very long time the Rock is back to back on RAW. But I agree that Cena is killing him at live performance but on a whole, I think the Rock "won" this week.

Yeah it doesnt mean much but was it really neccesary? Might as well overdo it with a "Kennel From Hell Last Match Standing" match (please I beg you if you do not know what is "Kennel From Hell" do not google it: It will be one of the worst matches you see in the history of sports entertainment). Thats my point: HHH vs UT in HIAC is more than enough.

On the last part, I have no idea :) Was just commenting for fun.

[Zeikku]

All I'm saying on this weeks Raw is that it was better than the Elimination Chamber PPV. Teddy Long organized some great matches. The Rock hasn't lost it, I think he's intentionally allowing the crowd to favour Cena. Remember the pop he got last year and the pop he got when he wrestled at Survivor Series?

If the WWE screw The Rock and make him lose, I'll stop watching. Cena isn't a great wrestler at all but the fact he's kept the company going is respectable.

[episode]

All I'm saying on this weeks Raw is that it was better than the Elimination Chamber PPV. Teddy Long organized some great matches. The Rock hasn't lost it, I think he's intentionally allowing the crowd to favour Cena. Remember the pop he got last year and the pop he got when he wrestled at Survivor Series?

If the WWE screw The Rock and make him lose, I'll stop watching. Cena isn't a great wrestler at all but the fact he's kept the company going is respectable.

1. You know the GMs don't really book the matches, right?

2. Getting a pop isn't the same as being able to work the mic. He will get a pop regardless, because of who he is. But during the last two weeks of live promos, it is obvious from the crowd they are not enraptured by what The Rock is saying.

3. THE ROCK IS GOING TO LOSE AT WRESTLEMANIA. Period. If you think otherwise, you might as well stop watching now. Him winning the match serves no purpose whatsoever. Putting him over Cena (the face of the company) does not help the WWE. When they have 'celebrities win WM matches, they always beat heels. The WWE has refused to turn Cena heel, although he will be treated like one in Miami. Cena will win. Could he somehow win dirty? It is possible, I could see him cheating to win and turning heel in the process. The only way I could see The Rock win was if they had Zack Ryder cost Cena the match because of what happened with Eve, Kane, Cena and Ryder. But thats obviously not going to happen now.

4. Cena IS a very good wrestler. Don't be fooled by the 'five moves of doom' crap, because guess what, when you're in the main event week after week, that happens to everyone. Look at Punk. Same thing has happened. But Cena has shown time and time again he can have great matches.

[htcz]

1. You know the GMs don't really book the matches, right?

Lets hope he knows this :p

2. Getting a pop isn't the same as being able to work the mic. He will get a pop regardless, because of who he is. But during the last two weeks of live promos, it is obvious from the crowd they are not enraptured by what The Rock is saying.

Completely correct. He is losing the crowd more and more, might be intentional or not (as you said he has lost mic skills but taking advantage of that and making Cena look better on the mic, which by the way, personally Cena is getting pretty good, like him or not)

3. THE ROCK IS GOING TO LOSE AT WRESTLEMANIA. Period.

As much as I loved the Rock growing up and love our city (Miami), this is sadly true for the reasons stated.

The Ryder twist would be too far fetched in a WM pay per view although it happed in Cena vs Miz (where Rock cost him the match). I (like I commented for the Rock) would perfer the Rock lose than Ryder interfering.

4. Cena IS a very good wrestler. Don't be fooled by the 'five moves of doom' crap, because guess what, when you're in the main event week after week, that happens to everyone. Look at Punk. Same thing has happened. But Cena has shown time and time again he can have great matches.

I disagree. I think he is a great sports entertainer but has nothing to do with Punk, Brian, etc etc.

Speaking on Punk, he pulled out something new from the arsenal (cant remember what it was) this week that usually he doesn't do based on that and other things I think Punk is a pretty good wrestler but he has years ahead of him.

[Scorbing]

I couldn't stop laughing my ass off last night. This sketch was so funny even The Rock was laughing as he was doing it. He just couldn't keep a straight face....LOL

[episode]

I disagree. I think he is a great sports entertainer but has nothing to do with Punk, Brian, etc etc.

Punk and Bryan are GREAT wrestlers. I only said that Cena is very good, which he is. Go back and watch the action at MITB 2011 - where he has an opponent with skill and time for the match to happen. You can't judge anyone by the short weekly matches.

[Muhammad Farrukh]

The Rock ain't gonna lose. Period.

Though I suspect we might see a surprising ending. Like a count out or a disqualification, but I am 100% sure that they will not let him lose in his own hometown, in his first match in many years.

[red.]

1. You know the GMs don't really book the matches, right?

Of course they do. Hoe else would you explain those tag matches on Raw this week with Tag Team Teddy in charge :p

3. THE ROCK IS GOING TO LOSE AT WRESTLEMANIA. Period.

Agreed.

[episode]

The Rock ain't gonna lose. Period.

Though I suspect we might see a surprising ending. Like a count out or a disqualification, but I am 100% sure that they will not let him lose in his own hometown, in his first match in many years.

What does a win by The Rock accomplish? How does it help the WWE? Remember, after April 2nd, he's going to be gone again, off filming movies. Giving him a win over Cena and then he makes one more appearance and then is gone does not make any sense. They're going to get their PPV buys before the match. Cena will win.

[Mazhar]

It is tough to say whos gonna win, Rock or Cena. Some say Cena will win and Rock will pass the torch, well that makes sense as it happens in WWE. Now I say that Rock may win because after all he is wrestling after so many years and this is his first match after long time, so how could he lose?

Nonetheless, I know it is crazy but I am seeing Cena vs. Rock II at WM 29 next year as Rock has confirmed that he will be at WM 29 (in the press conference) and I think that may be the score settling match for Cena or Rock.

[Muhammad Farrukh]

Its a tough call indeed, but my vote' with Rock.

We'll see

[Scorbing]

Well everybody knows Rock is going to lose at WM. He is NOT a full time wrestler and he and Vince had an agreement to do something special for the WWE and this is it. When this is over, we probably won't see Rocky until the next Wrestlemania, which he already confirmed he will be at so I am thinking maybe they will let Cena win this match and then next year at the next WM, Rocky will win or Vice Versa, maybe Rocky will win this one and next year they will have a rematch and Cena will win. Who knows what's crawling on Vince's mind right now in regards to this.

I know one thing for certain though, Undertaker is going to win. Shawn Michaels is the guest referee and the way this is going to go down is as follows:

Shawn Michaels is not happy with what Triple-H said to him and Triple-H is not happy with what the Undertaker said to him about Shawn Michaels being better than him so now, since both of these men have an ego to protect, Shaun Michaels is going to give the win to Taker just because he will never allow Triple H to do what he couldn't do - Beat Taker.

Mark my words, This is what's going to happen. You just watch.

[+Nik Louch Subscriber²]

The Rock has already stated that he is gonna be at next years WrestleMania, so that throws this years main event into a "weird ending" scenario!

Also, best quote of the year "Carry on, keep trending". Perfectly sums up my feelings towards all the Twitter crap being thrown around in Rock's lackluster promo work.