UK's WW2 debt to USA

[TonyLock]

Have you noticed when some dumb Americans talk to British people, they like to throw in a jab like: ?we saved your ass in World War 2? - clearly an uneducated reference to the American involvement in WW2.

Lets just get some facts straight, AMERICA DID NOT SAVE OUR ARSES IN WW2! Ameronly got involved to make money. And Perl Harbour was allowed to get attacked to form a catalyst. The fact that America?s involvement appeared to ?save our asses? was merely a ?side effect?.

The fact is, after WW2, the UK was in debt to America and had to pay war repercussions and we didn?t finish off paying them back until 1996.

No doubt this debt had major influence with Tony Blair?s decision to allow our troops fighting in Bush?s war. I am sure Bush was willing to slash the debt somewhat if our soldiers died in Iraq and Afghanistan. While this may be an assumption, it?s not farfetched at all.

http://www.pair-annoyed.com:9090/CALMS-NEW...hp/t-22433.html

And the other fact, which is most startling, is that America did not save our arses in the war, they actually assisted the Nazis to kick it! Did you know that the Luftwaffe (that?s the Nazi air force, to the uneducated) required a special type of fuel that was only produced by America?

For the YouTube generation, you can learn more here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8OtmwmxWP4

This video will also teach you about the other crimes America had a hand in during WW2.

[Guest]

A rather random outburst if I ever did see one...

[betadan]

Lets not forget IBM's involvement in keeping track of people in the concentration camps.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4MsTidMFYc

[+Gary7 Subscriber²]

Bush bashing at it worse. I have never seen such rubbish.

You Tube as a source :laugh:

[RAID 0]

:no:

[Prince Charming]

I'm English and I have to say this is rather weak.

[Sophism]

reminds me of that japanese dude who wouldnt let americans sign up for his website....

[PyX]

You Tube as a source :laugh:

I don't even want to get involved in the subject of the thread, but I don't see a problem with YouTube being a source.

I could post a video of your face drunk if I knew you, or I could post something that passed on TV and write the source.

YouTube doesn't mean it's an unreliable source.

You sound like all the teachers I had in high school who told us never to use informations on the Internet because they were false.

[_BeanZ_]

The fact is, after WW2, the UK was in debt to America and had to pay war repercussions and we didn’t finish off paying them back until 1996.

Close, but you're actually ten years out.

[redfish]

Have you noticed when some dumb Americans talk to British people, they like to throw in a jab like: “we saved your ass in World War 2” - clearly an uneducated reference to the American involvement in WW2.

Lets just get some facts straight, AMERICA DID NOT SAVE OUR ARSES IN WW2! America only got involved to make money. And Perl Harbour was allowed to get attacked to form a catalyst. The fact that America’s involvement appeared to “save our asses” was merely a “side effect”.

The fact is, after WW2, the UK was in debt to America and had to pay war repercussions and we didn’t finish off paying them back until 1996.

No doubt this debt had major influence with Tony Blair’s decision to allow our troops fighting in Bush’s war. I am sure Bush was willing to slash the debt somewhat if our soldiers died in Iraq and Afghanistan. While this may be an assumption, it’s not farfetched at all.

http://www.pair-annoyed.com:9090/CALMS-NEW...hp/t-22433.html

And the other fact, which is most startling, is that America did not save our arses in the war, they actually assisted the Nazis to kick it! Did you know that the Luftwaffe (that’s the Nazi air force, to the uneducated) required a special type of fuel that was only produced by America?

For the YouTube generation, you can learn more here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8OtmwmxWP4

This video will also teach you about the other crimes America had a hand in during WW2.

You're talking about military equipment lent to Britain that they wanted to keep after the war was already over. It wasn't war repercussions, it was an agreement signed after the war, to keep that military equipment.

On the other hand, the US spend 13 billion dollars in helping rebuild Europe in the Marshall plan, 3 billion of which went to the UK. The UK never had to repay any of that $3 billion, they were just required to spend most of it in rebuilding their industry.

Before the war started, the Nazi regime had all sorts of business dealings with corporations in different countries, including Britain. Before the United States entered the war it was politically neutral so there was no embargo, and business dealings still continued. At the same time US corporations had business deals with the UK-- You can be sure Britain got some of its war supplies by purchases from US corporations. Same as when after the US entered the war, corporations in neutral countries like Switzerland still continued doing business with both the Axis and Allies. That's how things worked back then.

From what I understand, not all US corporations cut all involvement even when the US was at war, because they still had assets there, but did it through back channel ways because it wasn't permitted by the government.

All of this is in standard textbooks, btw, it was in my high school textbook. Before you look at noisy political documentaries with agendas, you should first read the whole history and background behind WWII. Then you can make up your mind how significant the facts are.

[Des429]

o for gods sake. i read the first sentence of this post. thats it.

when people say that, its meant to be taken as a joke, so take it as one. its as if you were in a bar and a buddy saves you from an ugly girl trying to get your attention all night, then that buddy says something later on like "c'mon man i just saved your ass back there".

[JMSASRA]

Oh be serious! this is the worst case of trollitis I've ever seen!

If you want to have some self-loving patriotic rant about something that happened over half a century ago, and that has probably never affected you, and which you probably saw on that episode of the Simpsons, then go set up a specialised trolling BBS on freewebs or something, and pride yourself on creating the angriest place on earth. Hey, maybe people might even kill themselves listening to you and your band of about 3 other misfits discharging their Star Trek, testosterone and Red Bull fueled ranting, and then you could set up a secondary Samaritan-style category, where people can go to be rehabilitated after being exposed to your awful meaningless dirges

[OPaul]

And Perl Harbour was allowed to get attacked to form a catalyst.

America did cause Pearl Harbor themselves by creating blockaids on the Japanese which prevented them importing food and fuel, but it's kind of a stretch to assume they allowed the attack itself. It was just a major cockup that's all.

Lets not forget IBM's involvement in keeping track of people in the concentration camps.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4MsTidMFYc

eh, Hitler took control of IBM Germany during that time. That hardly means the company as a whole helped the Nazi movement.

[Azusa]

Fact 1 The British people never owed the US anything

Fact 2 you sent the wrong help We needed a work force not an army

Fact 3 what you did bring to the party was useless anyway lol sherman

[redfish]

America did cause Pearl Harbor themselves by creating blockaids on the Japanese which prevented them importing food and fuel, but it's kind of a stretch to assume they allowed the attack itself. It was just a major cockup that's all.

Yea, but I don't think it makes sense to blame the US. It wasn't blockade btw, blockade means that you're blocking ports to prevent any foreign trade.

Japan had begun an expansionist military campaign in China, leading to many atrocities like Rape of Nanking. When they were condemned by the international community, Japan had withdrew from the League of Nations, the equivalent of the UN.

When Japan withdrew, thats when the US instituted an embargo on all oil and scrap metal shipments to Japan, because they didn't want to be supporting Japan's war effort. There was no embargo on food.

So its impossible to say it was America's fault.

[Hurmoth]

:laugh: This thread in laughable. I would love to have seen what the UK would look like if America hadn't have gotten involved.

[OPaul]

Yea, but I don't think it makes sense to blame the US. It wasn't blockade btw, blockade means that you're blocking ports to prevent any foreign trade.

My understanding of the events were that the American navy actually had ships in the sea around Japan, not necessarily blocking the ports, but just sort of encircling the area.

[Jason S. Global Moderator]

lol this thread is so random... it's awful.

"And the other fact, which is most startling, is that America did not save our arses in the war, they actually assisted the Nazis to kick it! Did you know that the Luftwaffe (that?s the Nazi air force, to the uneducated) required a special type of fuel that was only produced by America?"

The luftwaffe is the name of the German Air Force...

kick it!

[Azusa]

:laugh: This thread in laughable. I would love to have seen what the UK would look like if America hadn't have gotten involved.

we would look the same if not better.

[Hurmoth]

we would look the same if not better.

Right, and you got that from your crystal ball?

[redfish]

My understanding of the events were that the American navy actually had ships in the sea around Japan, not necessarily blocking the ports, but just sort of encircling the area.

I'm not sure how it was enforced, but the policy was an embargo of certain shipments from the US. A blockade would mean preventing Japan from doing any trading.

[Azusa]

Right, and you got that from your crystal ball?

Learn some military History Soviet tanks were vastly superior to most of what the Nazi's were making and they were built on mass thus it would have only been a matter of time.

[Hurmoth]

Learn some military History Soviet tanks were vastly superior to most of what the Nazi's were making and they were built on mass thus it would have only been a matter of time.

You're basing your opinion that the UK would have been unharmed on a large scale because the Soviets had better tanks and it was "only a matter of time"? :laugh: I thought the first post was laughable, but that is beyond laughable, just sad really. I don't think I would ever risk my countries wellbeing on "only a matter of time." I certainly glad that Winston Churchill didn't think like this or the UK would be speaking German.

[Azusa]

You're basing your opinion that the UK would have been unharmed on a large scale because the Soviets had better tanks and it was "only a matter of time"? :laugh: I thought the first post was laughable, but that is beyond laughable, just sad really. I don't think I would ever risk my countries wellbeing on "only a matter of time." I certainly glad that Winston Churchill didn't think like this or the UK would be speaking German.

you don't get it do you the British isles was a fortress back then nothing could take the main land and by digging in the Nazis would have gotten bored and then started on the Soviets which would have lead to the whole Russian winter crippling the eastern front thus giving rise to the Do or die rush they did you're thinking too politically about the whole situation.

[Hurmoth]

you don't get it do you the British isles was a fortress back then nothing could take the main land and by digging in the Nazis would have gotten bored and then started on the Soviets which would have lead to the whole Russian winter crippling the eastern front thus giving rise to the Do or die rush they did you're thinking too politically about the whole situation.

The Nazis would have gotten "bored"? They weren't playing Day of Defeat. And they wouldn't have "then" started on the Soviets, they were already fighting the Soviets: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Stalingrad.

You make it sound so easy. Why did the UK get involved at all if it was so easy? If the Nazis would have just gotten "bored" :laugh: