UK's WW2 debt to USA

[+Gary7 Subscriber²]

As much as one would hate to admit, he was human and humans make mistakes.

Errare humanum est.

How could any human do what he did and sleep at night. He was a madman.

[MasterC]

Have you noticed when some dumb Americans talk to British people, they like to throw in a jab like: ?we saved your ass in World War 2? - clearly an uneducated reference to the American involvement in WW2.

I really don't like how people like you call Americans dumb. It's simply not true. Also, I've never heard anyone use your quote before. Pretty stupid IMO.

Lets just get some facts straight, AMERICA DID NOT SAVE OUR ARSES IN WW2! Ameronly got involved to make money. And Perl Harbour was allowed to get attacked to form a catalyst. The fact that America?s involvement appeared to ?save our asses? was merely a ?side effect?.

Umm... I'm pretty sure we entered the war because Japan bombed Pearl Harbor. Also, I'm sure that the fact that Germany was sinking US supply ships had something to do with it. After we formally went to war with Japan, Italy and Germany declared war on us. And to further disprove you, by 1945 the US h$42 billion42 billion to British and French troops. Quite to opposite of what you claim.

Welcome to Neowin, where even the mods feed the trolls with flamebait.

Let me correct you:

"Welcome to Neowin, where even the mods can voice their opinions."

[Knife Party]

whoever started this thread, may your days of using a pc be filled with malware infestation you little bas**** :D

[MGS4-SS]

How could any human do what he did and sleep at night. He was a madman.

Ask any republican, they might answer that question (well, except Lincoln).

[|Rapture|]

looking back, the US does not get on too well when it enters a war alone, i.e. vietnam

Well that’s a bull**** point too, the French, British and Australians were also involved in the Vietnam war.

Let me correct you:

"Welcome to Neowin, where even the mods can voice their opinions."

Stating an opinion and saying you want to see any country ravaged by war just to get a rise out of people are two completely different things. I would have expected more from a mod.

The problem with this whole thread is 90% of the people posting don’t know enough about the subject to be able to discuss it properly. Most just post because they want to upset people or because they just like to be ass holes.

[+Gary7 Subscriber²]

Well that?s a bull**** point too, the French, British and Australians were also involved in the Vietnam war.

Stating an opinion and saying you want to see any country ravaged by war just to get a rise out of people are two completely different things. I would have expected more from a mod.

The problem with this whole thread is 90% of the people posting don?t know enough about the subject to be able to discuss it properly. Most just post because they want to upset people or because they just like to be ass holes.

The French were in Vietnam for 100 years.

[|Rapture|]

Exactly, they had territory all over the place.

[+Gary7 Subscriber²]

Ask any republican, they might answer that question (well, except Lincoln).

So according to you , all Republicans are just like Hitler. Does that make all Democrats just like Stalin?

incredible. :cool:

[MGS4-SS]

So according to you , all Republicans are just like Hitler. Does that make all Democrats just like Stalin?

incredible. :cool:

I meant that all Republicans are madmen. And no, that does not make all Democrats just like Stalin.

[+Gary7 Subscriber²]

I meant that all Republicans are madmen. And no, that does not make all Democrats just like Stalin.

Well that is not a true statement.

[abob]

Stating an opinion and saying you want to see any country ravaged by war just to get a rise out of people are two completely different things. I would have expected more from a mod.

The problem with this whole thread is 90% of the people posting don?t know enough about the subject to be able to discuss it properly. Most just post because they want to upset people or because they just like to be ass holes.

I scan the forums regularly and post rarely since most threads here usually get some good advice or replies quickly, but 6 pages its taken to get to someone who can point out whats going on.

Didnt take an awful lot of History myself but my "Lies to Children" education pointed to the following as the reasons Britain survived invasion.

1. Hitler turning from bombing airfields to carpet bombing cities, allowing the RAF time to regroup and redeploy with foreign pilots, mostly Poles i believe.

2. The invention and deployment of radar,

3. The transformation in role of the Luftwaffe from aerial support of ground attacks to carrying the attack alone

4. The decryption of enigma, something else the poles had a hand in I believe, though a machine was later captured by the British.

5. America entering the war.

Those all point to Hitlers impatience and arrogance as the reason we survived as a nation, and if any nation helped i was led to believe the Polish lent the greater help.

For winning the war then yes the US involvement was vital, supplying the manpower and extra aircaft necessary to pound and push Nazi-Germany into retreat and eventually defeat.

But come to our aid???? Save our A**es??? I dont think so, it was more a case of the US realising after the Pearl bombing that the European war would not pass them by and that they would themselves face battle on two fronts If we eventually did fall.

So to all our Grandfathers I say thanks, and to any individual who claims victory for his countries part GROW UP! It was a world war and all nations made their sacrifices and had their victories, and of all things most certain.... One Country did not win alone!

[Coldgunner]

I scan the forums regularly and post rarely since most threads here usually get some good advice or replies quickly, but 6 pages its taken to get to someone who can point out whats going on.

Didnt take an awful lot of History myself but my "Lies to Children" education pointed to the following as the reasons Britain survived invasion.

1. Hitler turning from bombing airfields to carpet bombing cities, allowing the RAF time to regroup and redeploy with foreign pilots, mostly Poles i believe.

2. The invention and deployment of radar,

3. The transformation in role of the Luftwaffe from aerial support of ground attacks to carrying the attack alone

4. The decryption of enigma, something else the poles had a hand in I believe, though a machine was later captured by the British.

5. America entering the war.

Those all point to Hitlers impatience and arrogance as the reason we survived as a nation, and if any nation helped i was led to believe the Polish lent the greater help.

For winning the war then yes the US involvement was vital, supplying the manpower and extra aircaft necessary to pound and push Nazi-Germany into retreat and eventually defeat.

But come to our aid???? Save our A**es??? I dont think so, it was more a case of the US realising after the Pearl bombing that the European war would not pass them by and that they would themselves face battle on two fronts If we eventually did fall.

So to all our Grandfathers I say thanks, and to any individual who claims victory for his countries part GROW UP! It was a world war and all nations made their sacrifices and had their victories, and of all things most certain.... One Country did not win alone!

QFT!!!

It was a team effort essentially.

edit: I just want to bring up the film U571, which was an unnecessary Americanisation of a huge British victory in the Battle of the Atlantic. I think its this attitude that many of us, especially us brits, will regret, as it does a disservice to the men involved and the Royal Navy.

[Badtz-Maru]

If anything, it's France's ass that was saved by the USA. The UK was able to hold it's own against the Axis powers, though it probably may not have been able to take back Europe.

[Shibby]

I've been appalled by the comments made from both sides of the atlantic. It's called a world war for a reason!

USA did enter and was right to enter, they saw it as a time to become a global leader and take over from the British Empire.

The main problem I see if UK was invaded what would have happend to british empire, would we have dumped it and moved all people back to the UK? or would we have mearly given it to the nazis to make sure we were not taken?

Everyone joined in the war because in one way or another, their own future would be at risk. Look at the global market today, could you see the likes of china, america and europe working together on projects like now days? Probably not!

America needed to join in as it saw the western part of europe as a leader of the world, it would have given the nazis a big platform of resourses and people to launch more conflicts to take over the world. They had already taken chunks of europe and had allies, America could not afford to loose such countries which it could work with and get along. It would have meant a small section of friends. Thus leaving it a target. Nowdays you find countries don't start fight because the UN or Nato can come in.

You will also find that with huge numbers of your army tends to become less technological advanced and less skilled. With the empire you could use your less skilled soldiers to fight the smaller countries that were to be taken over. Nowdays we have a small base of skilled soliders. Such as your Seals or SAS etc etc each section has a purpose in the type of combat they delt with, where as in the old days I believe it wasn't so. It extends to the type of tools the armed forces get, such as people do not see the need for such huge fleets of ships considering the current global issue of terrorism. And again friends, we have friends which we can launch attacks from.

Also about this debt, yeah sure there was/is debt, but which country doesn't have debt to another country?

Thats my view anyway

[EduardValencia]

Tonylock this is the dumbest and the most false thread ever read by me in my whole life.

Grow up mate,and yes U.S was part of the "Saving your ass part",Enlgand recieved innumerable weapons and technology from the U.S in the pre-involvment and post-involvement stages of the WW2.Without americans supply,england was lost and probably surrendered .

You know why europe is in debt with America,have you heard about the Marshall plan? who reconstructed europe eh? with what money? Go ask Americas bankers the have the perfect answer for you.

Go play at the park this isn't for you.

Edited May 25, 2008 by EduardValencia

[Aperture]

I didn't read much of the mumbo-jumbo that entailed past about page 2... but I really have to thank some higher power that didn't put any of us posters in any position of power.

We're friends, allies, people of a similar perspective. So why in hell do we have to bicker about who did what, why, when and where? It makes no difference. We do things to support each other and that's all that should matter. We're as far from corrupt as some places on this earth as we could possibly be, so rejoice in that notion, no?

[EduardValencia]

I didn't read much of the mumbo-jumbo that entailed past about page 2... but I really have to thank some higher power that didn't put any of us posters in any position of power.

We're friends, allies, people of a similar perspective. So why in hell do we have to bicker about who did what, why, when and where? It makes no difference. We do things to support each other and that's all that should matter. We're as far from corrupt as some places on this earth as we could possibly be, so rejoice in that notion, no?

Duly noted,excellent post.

[Deletedforeverhaha]

Blind patriotism leads to individuals who happen to live in one land to always act as if they're insulted when someone comments negatively about their country...

It's such a tragedy to see people associate their beliefs with the country they live in. It's even worse when all of you, who are fighting over each country's "image", are disrespecting the millions of soldiers and innocent civilians who died because of stupid, selfish leaders by acting as if you know the history from cover to cover just because you picked up a history book and could cite figures.