Lost - Season 5

[draklin]

i think he lied when he said that. a good example for that is when Daniel Faraday told Sawyer that nothing he would say to Desmond would change anything, but after Sawyer left he did exactly that.

Ah but he didn't change the past. Desmond didn't remember it until the future so nothing in the past was changed.

[SuperJediMedia]

If you ever don't remember something check out Lostpedia.com they have everything there.

Nevermind, found it on Lostpedia.com

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline

[ramesees]

i think he lied when he said that. a good example for that is when Daniel Faraday told Sawyer that nothing he would say to Desmond would change anything, but after Sawyer left he did exactly that.

But surely, as Desmond is Daniel's constant, Daniel would have had to speak with Desmond in the Past, so by doing so outside the station, he is simply keeping to the timeline.

How could Desmond have been Daniel's constant if the two had never met previously?

[SuperJediMedia]

Might be who knows, I think the flaming arrow people are the natives and the British soldiers were stationed and left there.

Think it's probably got something to do with the Black Rock storyline? In the 1800s?

[Rappy Veteran]

Think it's probably got something to do with the Black Rock storyline? In the 1800s?

Yeah but they didn't flash between the time they ran and run into the british soldiers? so its the same time.

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Oh yeah, good point Rappy. There has only been 4 flashes, so with the people with the flaming arrows and the British soldiers are the same.

[Shasoosh]

Ah but he didn't change the past. Desmond didn't remember it until the future so nothing in the past was changed.

isn't the fact that someone from the future talks with someone from the past changes the past? (and the future)

[Hurmoth]

i think he lied when he said that. a good example for that is when Daniel Faraday told Sawyer that nothing he would say to Desmond would change anything, but after Sawyer left he did exactly that.

Actually if you go back and watch, he it didn't hit him to talk to Desmond until after Charlotte's nose started bleeding. Her nosebleed made him think about something. Maybe the fact that Desmond is a the wild card.

isn't the fact that someone from the future talks with someone from the past changes the past? (and the future)

Not really. Again, Desmond being the wild card here allows manipulation because Desmond's mind is already spinning through time (or has anyway).

Listen carefully what Faraday is saying to Desmond, in terms of why he believes this information he’s telling Desmond is going to transfer.

Finally, something happened to Desmond way back at the end of the second season of the show, something incredibly significant. Which imbues him with a certain power, for lack of a better word, that nobody else on the show has, and that was demonstrated regularly throughout Season 3, in terms of what happened to him at the end of Season 2. This makes him a bit of a wild card.

What we would advise you, and the fans whose heads are hurting, is to say, if you apply common sense rules to Desmond’s memory and cognition as it moves through the show, you will drive yourself crazy. But if you fundamentally accept that his consciousness can bop around in time, and where it lands is more an aggregate of destiny rather than logic, you will be able to sleep a lot better.

[Shasoosh]

come to think of it..

Hurmoth, i agree. I forgot about the part he said Desmond is special, there for maybe the rules don't apply on him.

nice one!

[Hurmoth]

I imagine that they apply to a certain degree. But how much, I have no idea. I imagine, or at least hope, they answer the time travel questions. There has to be some sort of paradox. Limits to what he can and cannot do.

Technically speaking, Faraday never stated that they couldn't change events in the timeline, but my guess is, he was telling them no because if they did change the events, it might have changed the future so much that they would be caught in some kind of grandfather paradox that they couldn't escape and would just be lost in time.

Actually that sort of reminds me of a Stephen King film, The Langoliers, where a group of people are flying on a plane and get caught in a time rip. They find out that these creatures called langoliers are what eats the past to make room for the present and the coming present. If something were to happen that changed the events, the survivors may end up stuck in the past.

Lost certainly has a lot of tie-ins with Stephen King novels, so there's an idea for you. NOTE: I'm not suggesting that langoliers will be introduced, I'm suggesting that the survivors might be caught in the past if they were to tamper with the timeline.)

[DrunkenBeard]

Hi,

- Did anyone make the connection between the military guys and Godwin ? In the 2nd season, while he was talking to Ana Lucia (he was sent by Ben to infiltrate the "Tailies"), she made a remark about his knife. She asked him why did he own a military knife. Could lead to something ...

[Rappy Veteran]

Hi,

- Did anyone make the connection between the military guys and Godwin ? In the 2nd season, while he was talking to Ana Lucia (he was sent by Ben to infiltrate the "Tailies"), she made a remark about his knife. She asked him why did he own a military knife. Could lead to something ...

Yeah I was thinking that when I watched it, wasn't a WW2 knife?

"The Other 48 Days" Ana Lucia finds an US Army knife on one of The Others. She believes it to be around 20 years old. This knife resembled a knife owned by Kelvin Inman.

[Brad.]

Hi,

- Did anyone make the connection between the military guys and Godwin ? In the 2nd season, while he was talking to Ana Lucia (he was sent by Ben to infiltrate the "Tailies"), she made a remark about his knife. She asked him why did he own a military knife. Could lead to something ...

Bloody hell! Great memory :D

[Rappy Veteran]

New Dharma Logo's! (Could be Spoilerish)

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Season 5 has started pretty well.

Although I preferred Lost when the plot wasn't so wacky - Of course it's always been high in fantasy, but it had an underlying level of normality. Things are all just a bit crazy now.

I'm gonna keep watching though to see how they tie it altogether.

[Nicholas-c Veteran]

New Dharma Logo's! (Could be Spoilerish)

So... New stations? A kitchen and a movie theater? :p

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New Dharma Logo's! (Could be Spoilerish)

Aaron and JiYeon Time Jump

Wow! Simply wow!

[Rappy Veteran]

Aaron and JiYeon Time Jump

Wow! Simply wow!

WTF thats just crazy!

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WTF thats just crazy!

If that is true, biggest spoiler of the season so far! 2030!!

Reckon that will pull off?

[Rappy Veteran]

If that is true, biggest spoiler of the season so far! 2030!!

Reckon that will pull off?

Dunno it might make people leave the series, I mean that time jump is just massive but it could happen with all these time jumps

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Dunno it might make people leave the series, I mean that time jump is just massive but it could happen with all these time jumps

Apparently there is only 2 pages of script, so that isn't much, don't think it will make people leave the show, must be relevant to storyline somehow to include a powerful scene like this

[MrChuang]

Wow 2030, this season cannot get any better

[iLinK]

I watched the two eps yesterday. I must admi I had all the characters mixed up, so had to check Lostpedia (thanks rappy for the link). Overall, nice come back. It's tempting :)

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ABC Switches Episodes

Thanks to Nathan for the heads up which appears to suggest that ABC have switched Episodes 5.06 and 5.07 around giving us this new schedule. So it appears that we'll be seeing the Locke's death a week later and possibly the O6 returning a week earlier.

This is quite rare for Lost to switch episodes which means that Episodes 5.06 and 5.07 must be fairly self-contained story wise? Did ABC put pressure on Darlton to get the O6 back on the island quicker?

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Edited January 24, 2009 by Peewee210

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