Lost - Season 5

[+Peewee210 Subscriber¹]

Yeah might strengthen the fact miles is Pierre Changs son?

Absolutely!

[Unrealistic]

Why did the raft not disappear when they moved through time? Everything else has left, and I expected them to lose the raft and be forced to swim back to the island.

[Mathachew Veteran]

Why did the raft not disappear when they moved through time? Everything else has left, and I expected them to lose the raft and be forced to swim back to the island.

They take objects with them, like Locke did with the compass.

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I had forgotten about this, but I bet it was the O6++ shooting at the survivors from the other canoe.

[Hurmoth]

I had forgotten about this, but I bet it was the O6++ shooting at the survivors from the other canoe.

Wouldn't that mean they had gone into the future?

If that's true, wouldn't this be the first time for the survivors going into the future? I guess I was under the impression they couldn't go to a part of the string (time line) that hadn't happened yet.

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Wouldn't that mean they had gone into the future?

If that's true, wouldn't this be the first time for the survivors going into the future? I guess I was under the impression they couldn't go to a part of the string (time line) that hadn't happened yet.

It was obviously the future. Abandoned camp ... with stuff that wasn't there before. Zodiac was gone.

The Ajira water bottle is dead giveaway.

Also, the second shift was into the future.

Edited February 5, 2009 by episode

[Mathachew Veteran]

Ooooo, I love that theory of them being in the future, but why would they shoot at them? I'm thinking people for Charles Whidmore.

[Hurmoth]

It was obviously the future. Abandoned camp ... with stuff that wasn't there before. Zodiac was gone.

The Ajira water bottle is dead giveaway.

But that doesn't make any sense with the string analogy that Faraday has used (I think it was him anyway). If the string represents time, you can only travel on a part of the string that has been created already. The future hasn't been created, so there's no string to travel on.

Maybe I'm just over thinking it. :/

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Ooooo, I love that theory of them being in the future, but why would they shoot at them? I'm thinking people for Charles Whidmore.

I originally entertained thoughts of the survivors shooting at themselves, but I couldn't think of a good reason why they would do that.

So it has to be the Oceanic Six+.

[Rappy Veteran]

You not thought its another plane that has crashed? and they just raided the camp? or is that thinking outside the box.

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But that doesn't make any sense with the string analogy that Faraday has used (I think it was him anyway). If the string represents time, you can only travel on a part of the string that has been created already. The future hasn't been created, so there's no string to travel on.

Maybe I'm just over thinking it. :/

You are. All he meant was that you can't deviate from the path. The future is already written on the string, you can't do anything to move from the path.

Remember, the universe has a way of course-correcting.

[Hurmoth]

So it has to be the Oceanic Six+.

But why would they shoot willy-nilly without knowing who it is first? That doesn't make sense either IMO.

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You not thought its another plane that has crashed? and they just raided the camp? or is that thinking outside the box.

It could be another plane crash ... I think '316' refers to the O6+'s flight number. But they didn't 'raid' the camp. There was no signs of a struggle, there just wasn't anyone there.

[Mathachew Veteran]

It'll be interesting to see how it plays out. We're in 2008 with the O6, so the island could go that far into the future, if not further. Fate can't be changed; Desmond saw Charlie dying, which was the future and shouldn't have happened yet, so it's possible that the future is already written? There's not enough info yet to make that determination, but being in the future with the canoes makes the most sense at this point (the when is a big Q though).

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But why would they shoot willy-nilly without knowing who it is first? That doesn't make sense either IMO.

Because they stole their canoe?

[Hurmoth]

You are. All he meant was that you can't deviate from the path. The future is already written on the string, you can't do anything to move from the path.

Remember, the universe has a way of course-correcting.

See that's my problem. I have a hard time believing the future is already written. Now we're getting into Matrix territory: "You've already made the choice. Now you have to understand it."

Because they stole their canoe?

That still doesn't make sense. It isn't like the O6 forgot who was on the island :blink: They have to be under the assumption that it could be their own survivors.

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See that's my problem. I have a hard time believing the future is already written. Now we're getting into Matrix territory: "You've already made the choice. Now you have to understand it."

Its already written in the Lost story that they all have their parts to play, and their destinies.

Fate, destiny, future already written ... its all the same.

That still doesn't make sense. It isn't like the O6 forgot who was on the island :blink: They have to be under the assumption that it could be their own survivors.

And they also have to assume that it might not be. The Others are not the threat they were anymore. And the Others wouldn't shoot at the canoe with Locke in it. So that leaves the O6, the survivors themselves, or another unknown group. And I think we're a little late in the story for more unknowns like that.

[Rappy Veteran]

It could be another plane crash ... I think '316' refers to the O6+'s flight number. But they didn't 'raid' the camp. There was no signs of a struggle, there just wasn't anyone there.

Yeah true, I just think maybe Ajira is important, it was a major ARG in the summer so they have to be involved somewhere.

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Yeah true, I just think maybe Ajira is important, it was a major ARG in the summer so they have to be involved somewhere.

Its not the ARG that gets me (although the link to the Dharma logo on the seat layout page is a major item).

Its these:

[Rappy Veteran]

Oh yeah those, maybe then the Oceanic 6 crash on the Island? using a plane from Ajira?

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Oh yeah those, maybe then the Oceanic 6 crash on the Island? using a plane from Ajira?

They must use the canoes to get to the island.

[Rappy Veteran]

What were the canoes made out of? did anyone see that?

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http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Outrigger_canoes

[Hurmoth]

And they also have to assume that it might not be. The Others are not the threat they were anymore. And the Others wouldn't shoot at the canoe with Locke in it. So that leaves the O6, the survivors themselves, or another unknown group. And I think we're a little late in the story for more unknowns like that.

So if you were in that canoe shooting and you were part of the O6, you'd be willing to risk shooting one of your friends that you're trying to save because it might be the Others?

Grant it, with Lost it could be almost anything, but that just doesn't make sense.

Side note though: I'll give you that about the time thing. Lost does have a lot of fate, destiny elements to it. But I still don't like it. Guess I'm not going to agree with the Lost writers on everything though :p

[Mathachew Veteran]

It could be that when the O6 get to the island they were met with some hostiles and perhaps they believed the hostiles were taking their other canoe. I doubt this, but it'll be interesting to see how that plays out.