Lost - Season 5

[Nicholas-c Veteran]

Hey look! the tumble weed is back!

[episode]

OMG But the past can't be changed!

It isn't.

Sayid shooting Ben was what causes Ben to be the way he is. Just watch.

[Hurmoth]

It isn't.

Sayid shooting Ben was what causes Ben to be the way he is. Just watch.

That and the way his father treated him.

[ATGC]

So, Radzinsky saying he would call 'Ann Arbor' was presumably University of Michigan. Hence, calling Gerald and Karen DeGroot who started the DHARMA Initiative.

Now, I wonder where Sayid will run off too. And it's pretty much certain that Sayid will be one of the first main Losties to go for the following reasons...

1. He didn't join Dharmville

2. The Hostiles might have not taken him since we know they didn't care about him after 815 crash

3. He shot their leader of 1992 - 2005

It's also certain that the writers don't want Radzinsky to be "that" smart. Considering, Jin rushing in to the flame talking about a plane crash and Sayid telling them he crashed from a plane. :blink:

[Nicholas-c Veteran]

That and the way his father treated him.

His farther is a total utter [words cant be said here] :p

[phantomAI]

I don't think Ben is dead. Maybe the Dharma finds Ben's been shot and know that Sayid, the hostile, did it and as a result escalate the feud between the others and Dharma.

[Rappy Veteran]

not dead ben

Next Week

[Valerus]

Epic episode.

[Mathachew Veteran]

Awesome.

It's intriguing that Sayid was blind sided by the fact that everyone else was on the same plane, that fate (or the island) kept them together even though they tried to avoid it, that they're all intertwined.

Ben isn't dead, but it's funny that Ben, in effect, made himself the way that he is. Older Ben knows Sayid and manipulated him so that he would be pushed over the edge to shoot him as a young boy, making him the man he later becomes: a conniving, manipulative survivor.

Can't get enough of this.

[Nicholas-c Veteran]

Awesome.

It's intriguing that Sayid was blind sided by the fact that everyone else was on the same plane, that fate (or the island) kept them together even though they tried to avoid it, that they're all intertwined.

Ben isn't dead, but it's funny that Ben, in effect, made himself the way that he is. Older Ben knows Sayid and manipulated him so that he would be pushed over the edge to shoot him as a young boy, making him the man he later becomes: a conniving, manipulative survivor.

Can't get enough of this.

Yeah, i love yet at the same time hate the way peoples stories are starting to come to an end, its giving closure but at the same time im hating the fact its wrapping up loose ends (still plenty to go :p)

[Noveed]

awesome episode, truly epic. cant wait for next weeks.

[MrKuro]

wow.... that was fantastic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[sundayx Veteran]

HOLY ****!!! He killed BEN :|

You have no idea how much I hated seeing this post at the top of the page when I accidentally came in here this morning before seeing the episode.

[Anarcho-Capitalist]

I cheered when he killed young Ben.

[Richard Hammond]

Its obvious Ben doesnt die because you cant change the past, its course correcting and Ben is alive during the purge and the future, Sawyer will probably find him when looking for Jin, or Jin will wake up and take Ben back to Dharmaville.

[sundayx Veteran]

This is where the logic fails though, which I have pointed out before, if Sayid shot him a couple more times, split his body, how can the world course-correct? Is "fate" powerful enough so that the state of mind Sayid was in did not realize that he needed to shoot Ben *just* a couple more times to confirm his death?

[Richard Hammond]

Good point.

I think fate or the course correcting universe would have made the gun jam like when Michael tried to kill himself. But like has already been stated maybe this is the thing that pushes Ben over the edge and turns him into a psychopath so Sayid was always destined to shoot young Ben.

[Valerus]

So does Ben secretly remember all the Losties back from his childhood?

[Mathachew Veteran]

This is where the logic fails though, which I have pointed out before, if Sayid shot him a couple more times, split his body, how can the world course-correct? Is "fate" powerful enough so that the state of mind Sayid was in did not realize that he needed to shoot Ben *just* a couple more times to confirm his death?

That would have introduced a paradox in the story. Sayid's an assassin, so it's natural for multiple shots, but it was hard enough for Sayid to shoot a boy once, much less multiple times. How would things turned out if he should him the head or as you described? Don't know, but we know that it happened in a way that allowed Ben to survive it.

[episode]

How bout this.

The island heals Ben when he is clearly dead, and this is the event that shows to Richard that Ben is supposed to lead the Others.

[Rappy Veteran]

How bout this.

The island heals Ben when he is clearly dead, and this is the event that shows to Richard that Ben is supposed to lead the Others.

I never thought about that.

I loved it when Radzinsky was shocked at Sayids knowledge of the yet built station, makes me think how they come up with the swan.

[idioot]

This is where the logic fails though, which I have pointed out before, if Sayid shot him a couple more times, split his body, how can the world course-correct? Is "fate" powerful enough so that the state of mind Sayid was in did not realize that he needed to shoot Ben *just* a couple more times to confirm his death?

time traveling doesn't have to make sense :p

Old Ben is one of the reasons why they are back on the island in 70's, had he failed or things turned out some other way, who would of shot young Ben then, or would he have been shot at all ? :whistle:

[DomZ]

It's a shame they didn't keep the "you can't change the past" stuff until later in the season. Would have make the ending of todays episode a bit more epic.

[KoL Veteran]

Where is Rose & Bernard????

[Martyn]

Should have shot the kid in the head, and made sure he was dead.