Lost - Season 5

[Nicholas-c Veteran]

"meh" episode, Kate's story always bores me lol, Loved the Richard part with the temple.

Mile's explaining things is so win :p Hurley just didn't/doesn't get it! :p (Among many others on internet)

As for next weeks promo... omg... wtfbbq ? :o i love Ben Episodes Smokey/Jacob is going to **** up ben big time! :p (Along with Ajira group?)

[Unrealistic]

Any ideas on why he won't remember anything?

[dt]

Where's Daniel Faraday? :(

[Nicholas-c Veteran]

Any ideas on why he won't remember anything?

Not my official theory but remember the French people during jins flashes... Smokey related perhaps?

[Mathachew Veteran]

Not my official theory but remember the French people during jins flashes... Smokey related perhaps?

I'm thinking along the lines of the "sickness"

[a-dawg]

Where's Daniel Faraday? :(

Yes thats a good question...? Any ideas?

[Richard Hammond]

Wow i always thought that living with his abusive father is what made ben into a Psycho, but we find out it was actually the 815 survivors that did it, i thought to myself that it would be twistingly ironic if it was actually sayid shooting ben that turned him into the reason why sayid shot him in the first place, paradoxes are great. Poor Jack cant cut a break he messes things up by interfering and by not interfering.

Was a bit disappointed in the cop out "he will forget everything if i save him" which is why he didnt recognise any of the 815 survivors in the past.

Really looking forward to the Ben/Locke face off.

All in all it was a pretty slow episode but thats not necesserily a bad thing as i think this series has been moving really quick for me i dont enjoy being overloaded with information.

Yes thats a good question...? Any ideas?

We already know where he is earlier on in the season it showed Faraday at the Orchid when it was being built because they talked about digging through the rock and finding something.

[SuperJediMedia]

Poor Jack cant cut a break he messes things up by interfering and by not interfering.

Ok, so let me get this straight...

IF Jack would saved Ben, Ben would become good in the future?

It's that he refused and they let Richard save Ben, so Ben became evil?

[episode]

Ok, so let me get this straight...

IF Jack would saved Ben, Ben would become good in the future?

It's that they let Richard save Ben, so Ben became evil?

Whatever happened, happened.

Why don't you get that?

They can't change things.

Jack didn't save Ben.

[SuperJediMedia]

Whatever happened, happened.

Why don't you get that?

They can't change things.

Jack didn't save Ben.

I UNDERSTAND that! I am NOT arguing about that!

But, I am just putting 'IF' scenarios out there, OK?

Like I am rewriting this to IF Jack and Both Richard refuses, and let Ben die... then what would happen....?

I know in this Offical Lost version, there is NO "If", but what I am saying what if that did happen... like NOT going by this Official version!!!

STOP acting Arrogant, always! :|

[sundayx Veteran]

There is no "if". Whatever happened, happened.

[SuperJediMedia]

Only the last 5 minutes was worth while. Everything else sucked and Kate is an annoyance, imo. Plus, with the 500 hour long commercials on HD ABC.... crappy viewing experience.

Looks like we will see inside the Temple next week.

So a quick recap of important things...

- Ben forgot everything that happened.... (Yet he still keeps the birthday present Annie gave him)

- Ellie and Widmore are a couple - given both of their names are mentioned as "leader" positions.

- Ben's innocence is lost, when Richard takes him to the Temple to rape him. (kidding)

- Aaron is with his grandma.

- They made Miles look dumb by talking 'dumb' with Hurley and his inability to understand, while Jack completely ignores them both.

5/10.

I LOVE the part Hurley and Miles was debating Travel time stuff!

I know most of you viewers think "Whatever happened, happened" so there is NO Ifs.

I like to think about the IF scenarios, though...

I think it's Fun to think that way. :)

There is no "if". Whatever happened, happened.

Again, I KNOW in the official version, there is no Ifs, BUT I am NOT talking about the Official version.

[sundayx Veteran]

Again, there is no "official version" and there is no "if".

Repeat.

[SuperJediMedia]

I think you just want to accept whatever the Lost writers says, without thinking OUTSIDE of the Box! :p

Anyway, whatever... Move On! (Unless anyone else have any thing else to say on this)

[sundayx Veteran]

So tell me, what is thinking outside the box like?

:pacifier:

[episode]

I UNDERSTAND that! I am NOT arguing about that!

But, I am just putting 'IF' scenarios out there, OK?

Like I am rewriting this to IF Jack and Both Richard refuses, and let Ben die... then what would happen....?

I know in this Offical Lost version, there is NO "If", but what I am saying what if that did happen... like NOT going by this Official version!!!

STOP acting Arrogant, always! :|

No, I don't think you do get it. As evidenced by your other recent posts, you don't quite understand. Don't worry, you aren't alone, there are plenty of people that don't get it.

What a pointless exercise.

If Sayid hadn't shot Ben then he wouldn't be evil.

If Roger hadn't brought Ben to the island then he wouldn't be evil.

If Emily Linus hadn't died then he wouldn't be evil.

If Jack had saved then he wouldn't be evil.

If Richard hadn't told Ben that he could join the Others then he wouldn't be evil.

Or how about this one. If Lapidus had been flying 815 like he was supposed to, he might have taken the plane on a different route that didn't go over the island, and therefore would not have crashed on the 'system failure' caused by Desmond. Ben would still have been evil, but there would be no 815 story so we would never know about it.

But none of them happened, and none of them can happen. Whatever happened, happened. Lost isn't about different possible futures and outcomes. Thats Heroes, go watch that trainwreck of a show. Lost is about the one path of time that exists. There are plenty of other things to discuss that don't have to deal with impossibilities.

Think about it this way: If Jack had saved Ben, then he wouldn't have been evil, so if they somehow had still gone back in time, he wouldn't have a problem saving Ben, because he was just a kid that needed Jack's help. But Ben WAS evil, so Jack didn't save him as a child.

Whatever happened, happened. And it can only happen one way.

Stop posting, always.

[sundayx Veteran]

What if J. J. hadn't written the pilot script?

:pacifier:

[SuperJediMedia]

So tell me, what is thinking outside the box like?

:pacifier:

Thinking outside the box is to think differently, unconventionally or from a new perspective.

Like NOT just going by what Lost writers say that "Whatever happened, happened" but by thinking some IF scenarios, like I did.

[episode]

What if J. J. hadn't written the pilot script?

:pacifier:

Or worse yet, what if JJ was never born!

Thinking outside the box is to think differently, unconventionally or from a new perspective.

Like NOT just going by what Lost writers say that "Whatever happened, happened" but by creating some IF scenarios, like I did.

He didn't ask for a definition. He asked what it was like.

Watching the show and going 'oh em gee!!! what if they had done this differently!!!' isn't thinking outside the box. Its just plain thinking. Yes, we all do that.

[SuperJediMedia]

Stop posting, always.

Do you not have an Ignore function, to use? :rolleyes:

If you don't like my posts, I don't care.

Just ignore me, always.

[Nicholas-c Veteran]

ok... IF we did have an IF situation and ben died that means he died in 1977 and never met the 815 crew meaning there is no one for widmore to hunt down therefore no need to turn the donkey wheel meaning no one went back in time to shoot him meaning he grows up and eventually turns the donkey wheel where sayid will shoot him anyway.

that is the best I can explain a paradox I think.

[Richard Hammond]

Ok, so let me get this straight...

IF Jack would saved Ben, Ben would become good in the future?

It's that he refused and they let Richard save Ben, so Ben became evil?

Ignore the 'people' being offensive.

Its a tough one, if Jack had saved Ben then time would have been reset as all of the future would have changed Sayid wouldnt have been there to shoot Ben which in turn would have meant that he wouldnt have needed to be taken to Richard and therefore his 'innocence' wouldnt have been taken and could have potentially been a good person which means there would have been no purge that Ben instigated and Dharma could have potentially still been on the island.

ok... IF we did have an IF situation and ben died that means he died in 1977 and never met the 815 crew meaning there is no one for widmore to hunt down therefore no need to turn the donkey wheel meaning no one went back in time to shoot him meaning he grows up and eventually turns the donkey wheel where sayid will shoot him anyway.

that is the best I can explain a paradox I think.

I dont think that is right.

If no one went back to shoot him then he wouldnt have been turned into the psycho he is now which means all of the future will have changed which means Sayid wouldnt have shot Ben anyway the only reason he shot Ben is because he knew Ben grew up and did all these terrible things.

[episode]

If no one went back to shoot him then he wouldnt have been turned into the psycho he is now which means all of the future will have changed which means Sayid wouldnt have shot Ben anyway the only reason he shot Ben is because he knew Ben grew up and did all these terrible things.

The only reason Sayid shot Ben is because he did those things. Which is the same reason that Jack didn't help him.

Therefore he always shot him, and Jack never saved him, because that is the reason he was 'changed'.

There are no 'ifs'.

Do you not have an Ignore function, to use? :rolleyes:

If you don't like my posts, I don't care.

Just ignore me, always.

Unfortunately, the ignore function here only blocks out the text. The rest of the post (sig, your name, etc) still appears. I find its more annoying with ignore on then off.

Anyway, the part with Sawyer saying to Richard 'where did you come from?'

Are Richard and Smokey the same entity?

[DomZ]

I don't think they are the same entity, if so Richard could have just appeared where they originally met the others, rather than carrying Ben a bit.. But on the other hand if smokey is course correction (which I believe it is), instead of just killing people it would also make sense to create "characters" (richard, jacob) to aid in making sure scenarios play out how they are meant to.

[Richard Hammond]

The only reason Sayid shot Ben is because he did those things. Which is the same reason that Jack didn't help him.

Therefore he always shot him, and Jack never saved him, because that is the reason he was 'changed'.

There are no 'ifs'.

I dont really care if you think there are no ifs or not as ive already stated a few times i KNOW the universe is course correcting and you cant change the future.

It was just hypothetical to ponder what could have happened you dont need to be an ass about it.