Lost - Season 5

[Mathachew Veteran]

I considered Ellie being Penny and Daniel's mom. Perhaps Ellie was banished for something else and that's who Charles got pregnant. That's a bit out there, but Daniel and Penny being half siblings, not so much.

[Aaron Veteran]

I always just assumed that Ellie would eventually be shown to be Penny's mom. The casting of her seems to be an obvious attempt to show a physical resemblance (to me anyway).

[ATGC]

It has already been confirmed that Daniel Faraday's mother is Eloise Hawking and that Eloise and Ellie are the same person.

So, Eloise Hawking and Charles Widmore went off Island regularly, and probably helped initiate the Dharma Initiative. It fits together. The Island didn't want Widmore back. So, we can assume he (or both of them) already had intentions of exploiting the Island by allowing the DI to come.

[Mathachew Veteran]

It has already been confirmed that Daniel Faraday's mother is Eloise Hawking and that Eloise and Ellie are the same person.

So, Eloise Hawking and Charles Widmore went off Island regularly, and probably helped initiate the Dharma Initiative. It fits together. The Island didn't want Widmore back. So, we can assume he (or both of them) already had intentions of exploiting the Island by allowing the DI to come.

When was it confirmed that Ellie and Eloise are the same person? Implied? Yeah. Confirmed? I don't recall that.

[Unrealistic]

I'm glad Penny wasn't killed....that's all that mattered to me in this episode, heh.

[Mathachew Veteran]

Another thing no one has mentioned was the fact that Charles lied to Locke about how he came to be in his current position. Charles told Locke that he was tricked by Ben into turning the wheel.

[Rappy Veteran]

Desmond owned Ben, he really should of shot Desmond in the head just to make sure.

[Unrealistic]

Another thing no one has mentioned was the fact that Charles lied to Locke about how he came to be in his current position. Charles told Locke that he was tricked by Ben into turning the wheel.

Interesting.........I didn't notice that at all.

[ATGC]

When was it confirmed that Ellie and Eloise are the same person? Implied? Yeah. Confirmed? I don't recall that.

I remember it from one of the podcasts with Damon and Carlton. However, the following will suffice.

http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/2009/03/eloise-hawking.html

http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/2009/03/e...e.html#comments

Alice Evans as younger Eloise Hawking

Denying it is pointless at this point. Ellie is short for Eloise.

Edited April 9, 2009 by Akuma

[Mathachew Veteran]

I wasn't denying anything, I was asking for proof because nothing on the show has confirmed it, and as you've just shown, we still don't have it. Do note the source of the confirmation that I'm seeking (and that I know they're the same person).

[ATGC]

Another thing no one has mentioned was the fact that Charles lied to Locke about how he came to be in his current position. Charles told Locke that he was tricked by Ben into turning the wheel.

No, he said he was exiled by Ben.

[Mathachew Veteran]

No, he said he was exiled by Ben.

He told Locke that Ben fooled him into leaving the island:

"I was afraid Benjamin might fool you into leaving the island, as he fooled me."

He also mentioned being exiled, but I'm still digging around for the wheel portion.... maybe I'm recalling one of the theories posted here about it and it wasn't something stated on the show.

Edit: Yeah, I was mistaken. I can't find any mention of Widmore actually turning the wheel except for how he was fooled by Ben and the theory being that he, also, turned the wheel.

Edited April 9, 2009 by Mathachew

[ATGC]

He told Locke that Ben fooled him into leaving the island:

"I was afraid Benjamin might fool you into leaving the island, as he fooled me."

He also mentioned being exiled, but I'm still digging around for the wheel portion.... maybe I'm recalling one of the theories posted here about it and it wasn't something stated on the show.

Yeah, I posted the Widmore-wheel theory awhile back. However, given we just found out how he was kicked off the Island, it's pretty much obvious he didn't lie about it.

[Aaron Veteran]

It has already been confirmed that Daniel Faraday's mother is Eloise Hawking and that Eloise and Ellie are the same person.

So, Eloise Hawking and Charles Widmore went off Island regularly, and probably helped initiate the Dharma Initiative. It fits together. The Island didn't want Widmore back. So, we can assume he (or both of them) already had intentions of exploiting the Island by allowing the DI to come.

So then, the likelihood of Faraday and Penny being more than just half siblings is pretty high, I think.

[Mathachew Veteran]

Yeah, I posted the Widmore-wheel theory awhile back. However, given we just found out how he was kicked off the Island, it's pretty much obvious he didn't lie about it.

I don't know, I'm a bit torn on that bit. He claims to have been fooled by Ben, but we saw that he was exiled for something that could be proven, so it wouldn't appear that he was tricked. I'm probably reading too much into the words in their dialog.

[Beastage]

It has already been confirmed that Daniel Faraday's mother is Eloise Hawking and that Eloise and Ellie are the same person.

So, Eloise Hawking and Charles Widmore went off Island regularly, and probably helped initiate the Dharma Initiative. It fits together. The Island didn't want Widmore back. So, we can assume he (or both of them) already had intentions of exploiting the Island by allowing the DI to come.

I don't agree that Widmore started DI, he seems to believe in the island, if he believes in it, he knows that DI didn't stand a chance.

[ATGC]

So then, the likelihood of Faraday and Penny being more than just half siblings is pretty high, I think.

I'm leaning towards Eloise and Charles being cousins at the moment. Just a hunch, no evidence to back it up. But, they have to be related in someway from that scene in the camp in 1954, they had a close relationship.

I don't know, I'm a bit torn on that bit. He claims to have been fooled by Ben, but we saw that he was exiled for something that could be proven, so it wouldn't appear that he was tricked. I'm probably reading too much into the words in their dialog.

He could have still been fooled by Ben. Keeping Charles on the Island would mean Ben couldn't lead and I think Richard told Ben about him becoming the next leader, like he did with Locke.

Locke had to kill his father and Ben had to kill Danielle. Neither of which is what Jacob wanted. But, rather something prove themselves.

[DomZ]

Ben probably did have something more to do with Charles' exile, other than finding the proof that he "broke the rules". Charles mentions he was there to gloat, and Lost always shows the start of something and then the end. I'm sure the "middle" section will reveal Ben doing some shady things to make sure Charles gets exiled.

Just as they didn't continue from when Richard took Ben to the temple, and instead cut to him in that tent. They always leave out the juicy middles :shifty:

[ATGC]

I don't agree that Widmore started DI, he seems to believe in the island, if he believes in it, he knows that DI didn't stand a chance.

DI was started by two people from the University of Chicago and was funded by Hanso Foundation. However, I think Charles was involved in someways..

Couple of things that makes me think Widmore was in someways involved with DI:

- He was exiled off Island after 1992

- He's too rich to stage a plane crash from leaving the Island to start a company just after 1992

- So, he started the Widmore Industries well before 1992

- Ben saying "he made routine trips off Island", possibly indicating making loads of relationships with others off Island

- Some of these relationships might have been with Dharma Initiative

Widmore must have known, like Ben did with John, that he would be replaced by Ben.

[Mathachew Veteran]

DI was started by two people from the University of Chicago and was funded by Hanso Foundation. However, I think Charles was involved in someways..

Couple of things that makes me think Widmore was in someways involved with DI:

- He was exiled off Island after 1992

- He's too rich to stage a plane crash from leaving the Island to start a company just after 1992

- So, he started the Widmore Industries well before 1992

- Ben saying "he made routine trips off Island", possibly indicating making loads of relationships with others off Island

- Some of these relationships might have been with Dharma Initiative

Widmore must have known, like Ben did with John, that he would be replaced by Ben.

It's an interesting theory to say the least, but to the last bit: he knew, I figured that that was established at the beginning of last night's episode when he spoke with Richard.

[Rappy Veteran]

Audio/Video Podcast

Summary

* Desmond will be affected by his wound. His life may be in danger.

* Sun & Lapidus didn't shack up in Dharmaville

* We are not sure of the true nature of the new John Locke but Ben is probably really shaken up by seeing him alive. There's more to come about the "resurrection".

* They said they were pretty proud of "Some like it Hoth" because it gives a sense of comedy to Lost.

* After that be prepared for a rollercoaster of major events!

- Also they re-explain time travel laws on Lost and answer a bunch of questions like "what would you doing if you were Sawyer?".

[sim0n]

after this stunning episode, I can only say that Ben is actually the good guy, just from this ep:

- he was "ordered" by Widmore to kill Rousseau, still he didn't and refused to kill a child.

- he refrained from killing Pen after her kid showed up.

Widmore seems a "terrible human being" as Ben himself qualified him.

Also, the emotions Ben showed in this ep are very strong. Loved this episode.

[Andrew Lyle Global Moderator]

Finally got to watch the episode tonight, very very good and insightful episode.

So glad they didn't kill off ben tonight he's practically the main character now

[iconoclast]

Did anyone else think 20/30-something Ben (when he was stealing the baby with ethan) looks like Hitler?

[GameOverRob]

^lol