Lost - Season 5

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I don't think Friday is dead. I mean..
I think Friday might turn out to be either Yackob or even Smokie....
..Friday is sent back in time...

Rofl nice. Also liking the Yackob

Ok so back on topic. Daniel said to destroy the energy below the Orchid he would have to detonate a Hydrogen bomb. In the next episode's trailer we see which looks to be jack continuing Daniel's 'quest' to stop the incident and from the episode sypnosis this sounds correct. If Jack succeeds with this and somehow figures out a way to change the incident and make the plain land where it is meant to, won't this eliminate Time Travel at the Orchid because the energy will be gone?

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In theory I guess yes, but I doubt he can stop it. I'd figure if anyone gets close to changing things then Smokey will stop them.

The way I see it is that Desmond is the only variable, and Faraday has changed the future by utilising Desmond. What I want to know is how does Whidmore and Hawkings know what is going to happen (or at least did until this Desmond shooting). At some point in the future someone must go back in time and provide them with a masterplan of everything that is going to happen?

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In theory I guess yes, but I doubt he can stop it. I'd figure if anyone gets close to changing things then Smokey will stop them.

The way I see it is that Desmond is the only variable, and Faraday has changed the future by utilising Desmond. What I want to know is how does Whidmore and Hawkings know what is going to happen (or at least did until this Desmond shooting). At some point in the future someone must go back in time and provide them with a masterplan of everything that is going to happen?

Well it seems Eloise and Widmore (in present time) know that they have to send Daniel to the island because when Eloise walked out of the hospital and saw Widmore they talked about sacrifices and Charles said to Eloise 'You don't know anything about sacrifices'. Eloise replied something similiar to "Sacrifices! I just sent my son back to that island knowing... (gets cut off by Widmore)". So i'm guessing this implies that Widmore and Hawkins know that they must start the chain of events by sending farraday to the island with the freighter group to eventually travel through time leading to younger Eloise shooting him.

Though their is no way they would kill Daniel off so quickly like that. He had one major episode in quite a while and it just seems odd to bring him back to be shot dead.

Also on another note I wonder when Daniel left the island for those three years what life was like because he would have been in the 1970's...

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Sorry for double post though it wouldn't let me edit the previous. Elaborating further on how Eloise talks to Charles out the front of the Hospital here is the transcript.

Charles: "Is he alright?"

Eloise: "Yes, Charles, he's fine."

Charles: "Good."

Eloise: "Your daughter's in there. Why don't you go in and say hello."

Charles: "Unfortunately, Eloise, my relationship with Penelope is one of the things I had to sacrifice."

Eloise: "Sacrifice! Don't you talk to me about sacrifice, Charles! I had to send my son back to the island, knowing full well--"

Charles "He's my son, too, Eloise."

A bit further on Eloise says that for the first time she doesn't know what is coming next. So i'm guessing when younger Eloise shot Daniel she took his diary/notebook which had everything in Dan's life up until the moment when he was shot (including time travel, how to stop the incident, etc). It seems to be playing out that 'Whatever Happened Happened' and the Dharma initiative ended up having the incident because Dan has always failed to stop it. Everything has already happened it is just they have not experienced it yet. The paths they choose here in the past have already been done in the future and the result is the present in which Ben, Locke, etc are in.

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Amazing episode! However i am confused about Eloise talking about not knowing what happens next. Is it because this time something different happened or does she just not have any knowledge about anything past this point?

Yeah I was thinking about that. She has knew all this time. From when she shot Daniel, getting Desmond to the island right till Desmond in hospital, bit weird that she doesn't know now...

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Amazing episode! However i am confused about Eloise talking about not knowing what happens next. Is it because this time something different happened or does she just not have any knowledge about anything past this point?

.. I pretty much explained why that could be

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Umm, no. He isn't Locke. Faraday is dead. If the writers find a way for him to live, I'll stop watching the show as it will have turned into Heroes.

Young Ben, you guys forgot Already?

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Richard takes Faraday to the Temple... Heal or No Heal?

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Young Ben, you guys forgot Already?

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Richard takes Faraday to the Temple... Heal or No Heal?

Thats slightly different, I think only Ben was taken to the Temple because Jacob wanted him to be leader and so Richard took him there to bring him back to life. I don't think it would work on Daniel Faraday

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I'm guessing we'll see Faraday later on, but he will have a scar on his neck.

He got shot in the back as well not just the neck. He was trying to change events so i dont think the 'island' will want to revive him much like it didnt bring Charlie, Ecko, Anna Lucia, etc.. back to life on island.

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.. I pretty much explained why that could be

Yeh, there's alwawys been hints that Whidmore/Eloise know what is gong to happen, and some of the reasons why are starting to appear (mainly because they were on the Island in the past and witnessed the events, and as you say Daniels notebook seems important as Eloise specifically gave it to him).

I think Whidmore/Eloise have always known what will happen right up until the "end" (isn't there meant to be a war coming? Hasn't all these events had the ultimate goal of saving the island?). Whidmore's actions to get everything going the way it "should" be seem too pefect to be his first time "around", and even this time around he is trying to gain more information (the black rock stuff from the auction).

Either way, a bit like in the Matrix where it's happened time and time again, this time is different because of Desmond, just like in the Matrix where the iteration viewers see was different because of Neo's love for trinity. Eloise didn't know Desmond was going to be shot, and from this point on she/whidmore doesn't know what is going to happen anymore.

That's my take on it.

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I think eloise know whats going to happen because she had the notebook from faraday when she shoot him,but she doesnt know about the future because faraday timetravel to the 70's and died, there no record post 2007 so thats why she doesnt know whats going to happen

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So what's with Faraday being upset at seeing the wreckage on TV? A memory from his future self? (?but wait, that doesn't make any sense).

He's got memory loss, presumably he did know something important about it... and forgot it. And he's crying because his brain is remembering it... but HE isn't???? Does that make any sense???

Or... It could be a memory from future/past self in 1977....

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Thats slightly different, I think only Ben was taken to the Temple because Jacob wanted him to be leader and so Richard took him there to bring him back to life. I don't think it would work on Daniel Faraday

But Faraday is a VERY Important person though! Anyone going to get healed in the temple, it's HIM! Well, we will see.

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But Faraday is a VERY Important person though! Anyone going to get healed in the temple, it's HIM! Well, we will see.

He is important to us... and the survivors of 815 but he has no meaning on the island...

2 stories going on atm remember

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Anybody remember Hawkings saying to Faraday, The island will "HEAL" you

Maybe she refers to this moment him getting shot and being healed?

Also the healing might occur because if you look at Faradays memory loss this might have something to do with the healing of the temple giving you memory loss as Richard said before healing Ben "He will forget things" Since faraday forgot things in the future and it was kind of a illness what if it occured because he got healed in the past and hes healing started affecting hes future since he remebered things in the future but since he was in the future he had memories so he forgets then remembers back (kind of confusing right lol nevermind)

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