Man Dies After Police Taser (and wouldn't let mother perform CPR)

[ozgeek]

"get on the ground"

Can you tell me what this means? If this is said while the guy was standing on the ground then he already have obeyed the order. If they want him to lie on the ground, they should say it probably - "Lie on the ground" then it'd be more understanding.

[Dev Null Zen]

No, **** the police. You don't understand how corrupt and excessively violent the police are around the US. Most have egos on their shoulders and use excessive force like this. I've seen friends taisered and were not resisting arrest. This has got to stop. At some point, the police's motto changed from "To Serve and Protect" to simply "Law Enforcement." **** the police.

Have fun in prison!! With your motto, you are sure to go.

This isn't as bad as the LAPD, yes LAPD!!! They are a bunch of absurd corrupt SOBs that either don't do the job or they get at the wrong f'ing guy. At my school when I was late, a campus officer marked me truant right in front of my classroom. Anyways drinking and driving and a result like this is bound to happen what with the alcohol messing with your ethical and common sense.

HOLY CRAP! Maybe, because you were?

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I have no pity for people in situations like this. Drunk drivers especially. And if the mother was with him when he was drunk, good chance she was too, otherwise she should have been the 1 driving!

[Night Prowler]

You tell me about police abuse... I was stopped by the police 3 weeks ago, they found 0.1g of cannabis that I had on me, turned my car upside down for that, made me pass all the drugs tests (positive for urine, I smoked 24h before), so they took my driver's license for 2 weeks; will have to pay 1100 to 11000 euros just for possession... of 0.1g!!!

I have to specify that I have a regular job, don't deal, and I am not a junkie... They just treated me like a f**kin' dealer.

So for my part: welcome to Belgium! :-S Yes, policemen make abuse of their authority. According to the Belgian law, for adults, it's authorized to have 3g for your personal use, and they don't have the right to seize it. So... WTF?

You got what you deserved. You KNOWENLY had ILLEGAL drugs on you. You had no rights at that point. The police had every right to tear your car apart, take your license, and make you pay a fine. If you want to get cannabis legalized then do that, if not then don't get caught.

I just don't get people, they break the law and they think they deserve special treatment.

[Angelic Marge]

I've noticed that most of the people who don't like the police are the ones who've been caught doing something wrong, sorry but if you hadn't have done it in the first place you'd have nothing to moan about. You'd soon run to them for help if you the victim of a crime :rolleyes: :laugh:

[tiagosilva29]

You got what you deserved. You KNOWENLY had ILLEGAL drugs on you.

"To the Belgian law, for adults, it's authorized to have 3g for your personal use, and they don't have the right to seize it" leads to He was legal.

[BoJo]

True, CPR isn't going to bring him back Bay Watch style, but it seems a little odd that the police would not allow it if he was in trouble.

As for "police don't tase you for nothing" in the UK. Talked to many Brazilian electricians lately?

Just saying, things can go wrong anywhere...

Distasteful much?

You can't compare the two circumstances at all. One took place due to a city being locked down after a terrorist attack in a place where coordination of forces was impossible, and the other because of police overusing (or so it seems so from the OP's information) force.

[Yasha]

Here's a more detailed story of what happened, from the cops point of view

http://www.individual.com/story.php?story=87743168

If you're fully compliant with them, they have no reason,nor would they want to do anything excessive to you. If your friends had that same '**** the police' attitude, then chances are they werent totally compliant with police.

Define "compliant". I have no trouble with tasering, the trouble with it is it's a god-tool that they're going to use for just about any altercation, including these that would require no more than minor extra physical effort to force the "suspect" to be handcuffed. It's in much the same vein as the Rodney King incident that was caught on tape, was he resisting? Yeah, but do you need to beat the **** out of him for a full minute to get him to partially co-operate?

I can't stand cops, or government, and this example shines for the basis of that. I trust individuals, individuals are intelligent, reasonable, helpful and kind. Police are usually self-important, hypocrites that use their badges, whatever authority is trusted in them to serve their careers, and themselves in general rather than the general public.

I seriously need to move to Belgium, get caught with .3g of weed here and your going to jail for a long while. If your caught 3 times, your in jail for life. Welcome to the USA, land of the imprisoned, and home of the paranoid.

[Digitalx]

the shouldn't have been in a position to resist arrest if your not on the healthy side of life.

i'm not exactly most healthiest person around but i've been hit with two tasers within couple of minutes of each other just play fighting/mucking around with others didn't kill me but it's not like the cops are going to question for health concerns before tasering someone and it's easier then shooting them when you have higher chance killing them.

corruption or not if you're going to make a cops job harder to put cuffs on you expect to delt to in 4 ways: night stick/batton/mag flash light, pepper spray, taser or gun. his choice to resist, he mad a bad choice too bad for him.

[moberly mom]

I live in Moberly and I knew Stan Harlan, and I will tell you that the story is being spun in some "interesting" ways by the Moberly PD. You can see it just by reading the various news stories out there... their story changes with each article. First they say he was flailing around with the cuff on one wrist, using it like a weapon...then they say he refused to pull his arm out from underneath him. The true story will come out soon, as there was video and photos taken at the scene by a witness. I suggest everyone wait to pass judgement at that time.

Stan wasn't drunk (according to what we have heard about the tox screen), he was under the legal limit (had a couple of beers after work) and had no drugs in his system. The PD has been working hard to defame his character, saying how he was known to them for drugs, etc. His arrests were YEARS ago (possession of marijuana and a DWI), and he really had turned his life around. He worked hard at his job and was thrilled to be a father, happy to show off pics of the baby. He was followed down Williams St. by the police for no reason other than harrassment...this is a common occurrence here.

I don't necessarily oppose the user of tasers completely, although I am beginning to think they should be banned. I definitely think they should be reserved for life & death situations, and I think that anything beyond the first blast should be considered the same as shooting to kill. Hundreds of people have died from being tasered. There needs to be some clearcut policy written, and definitely a lot more training on what to do in these situations. Stan lay on the ground for a long time while his mother begged the police to help him... their idea of "help" was nudging him with their feet and saying "you're ok, get up".

Stan was not a big man and would not have been difficult to subdue without deadly force, if he even had been fighting back (he was not). There was no reason for him to be murdered like that. Oh, and to the person who said something about the mother being with him in the car... she wasn't, he had pulled into the driveway of his home and she came outside to witness her son's death.

[mtownreppa]

Yeah I am from Moberly, and the cops there are nothing more than guys that got beat up everyday in school. They are all garbage. I know a guy who saw all of this happen, and he told the investigating department (Highway Patrol) that he will testify that they flat out killed him in front of his mother. I also am pretty sure about the cop that pulled him over was dating the mother of stan's baby, that has only been on the MPD for around four months. The witness said that all he was doing was mouthing the cop, which would have been justified after he saw who pulled him over. He then just tased him. The witness said you're hurting him, and the cop kicked him and said, no he's fine get up. Can't wait till the department of corrections gets ahold of these guys....8======================================D

[Fred Derf Veteran]

They don't in the states either provided you follow exactly what they are saying. When cops tase a person after yelling "get on the ground" dang near 20 times, of course people will say "he was just standing there not a threat to anyone" and totally miss the point that even a two year old can listen, comprehend, and follow a simple instruction like "get on the ground". By ignoring a command, you are resisting - plain and simple.

I absolutely disagree with the use of tasers for compliance. Tasers are supposed to be an alternative to deadly force. Would you shoot someone who doesn't "get on the ground"? If not then don't taser him/her either.

Tasers are clearly not a non-lethal device and, at best, it is a less-lethal device. One out of every three persons hit with a taser require medical attention. Most police officers are more than happy to use their latest tool but it wasn't given to them to make their job easier. It certainly wasn't given to them to use on 12 year old girls and 80 year old men.