Internet Explorer 8 Beta 2 - seriously bloated

[Smigit]

I wonder why people really care if a program uses 500mb ram, as long as it free's it up when closing, and, as long as it does not use 100% cpu while running. people seem to think that the less memory footprint, the better it is (goes only for torrent clients, as ?torrent is king <- my opinion).

Most people have 2gb or more nowadays, and "even in vista" you will not notice a program using 500mb on the preformance of your computer.

Why? Because that ram can be better used elsewhere. Sure unused ram is wasted ram but so is ram which is being needlessly used. Rather than having a browser use 400MB more than it reasonably should need I'd rather the OS was allocating that ram so that other programs can boot faster and the like.

And people WILL notice the performance if by using 500MB the browser is taking too much ram on a system that is running other ram intensive applications.

Rams there to be used, but only if it's used wisely and as needed otherwise it's still denying memory to other applications that could better use it.

[leesmithg]

Wow, sounds like another article from another ranting idiot.

Exactly.

S/he is probably a fully-paid-up member of the Norton hate club also.

I have tried this.

It's fast low on resources and far from bloat.

It's their best yet.

Hopefully it fits web standards and all that this time.

10 years ago beta 5 was released so they have had time to fall in line.

I have however, removed it, due to my bank won't allow it via on-line banking.

[wellofsouls]

350-400MB memory footprint

hmm... does it mean RAM usage or does it mean RAM + virtual memory usage?

I'm opening 8 tabs in Chrome, and about:memory says it's using 60MB RAM and 280MB virtual memory, so if the 350MB memory footprint means RAM + Virtual Memory usage, then it's not really that bad.

Also it'd be a bit stupid to say it uses more memory than Windows XP if that's the case, since Windows XP uses a LOT of virtual memory.

[cork1958]

if u dnt like it then dnt use it. no1 is forcin u

Wow! What school of higher learning did you attend? :laugh:

I will definitely give IE 8 a spin, but surely not while in beta!! As good as MS is at screwing thing up, I'm not about to try this until finished!

[leesmithg]

Wow! What school of higher learning did you attend? :laugh:

I will definitely give IE 8 a spin, but surely not while in beta!! As good as MS is at screwing thing up, I'm not about to try this until finished!

Seriously, it's best to wait for beta 2 as all the beta 1 problems should have been sorted.

Just make an image, install it, try it for a hour or so, then restore your image back.

It's like stepping out from driving a ford escort into a subaru pretsa, that extra bite.

[saiya]

what the heck does 'Scirwode' mean?!

and as for stats....i be concerned if i was using my Windows mobile smart phone. PC's are built to handle that stress now a days...so pfff

[wellofsouls]

350-400MB memory footprint

hmm... does it mean RAM usage or does it mean RAM + virtual memory usage?

I'm opening 8 tabs in Chrome, and about:memory says it's using 60MB RAM and 280MB virtual memory, so if the 350MB memory footprint means RAM + Virtual Memory usage, then it's not really that bad.

Also it'd be a bit stupid to say it uses more memory than Windows XP if that's the case, since Windows XP uses a LOT of virtual memory.

[CheeseFart]

you sure it doesn't just use that much because it is free and being unused, so it can be fast as possible. most users of ie8 won't even know what ram is, they just want it to be fast. does ie8 give up some of the ram if other programs need it?

also im sure it isn't at the opitmizing stage of the development yet

[The_Decryptor Veteran]

Maybe because some people like to multi task or run vm ware?

The fact RAM is cheap isn't an excuse for an application to run inefficiently and hog it all. If there are alternatives that can do the same thing faster and using less resources which one are you going to choose? Oh yeah you are sticking up for IE....

I don't know what OS you're using, but any good OS can page out memory to disk.

Even Windows 95 could free up physical ram if an app needed it.

[Smigit]

I don't know what OS you're using, but any good OS can page out memory to disk.

Even Windows 95 could free up physical ram if an app needed it.

And the point of having RAM is so you don't need to do that, so that you have fast access to data as needed. The ability to offload memory to the hard disk should never be seen as an excuse or justification for the inefficient use of RAM.

[x-byte]

lso im sure it isn't at the opitmizing stage of the development yet

I'm guessing that will come with the first RC.

[smooth_criminal1990]

1. If its THAT much of a problem, just close it when you want to multi-task/play a game

2. If you are multi-tasking and some sort of compulsion makes you want to free up ur ram...use a different browser.

3. If you have a computer good enough to run Vista well (i.e. multi-core, 2gig ram e.t.c.) you can probably afford to ignore IE until you start dealing with bigger apps.

4. "Fan bois" is a spelling mistake.

5. As everyone says, it is beta software and IMHO has come a long way since the last beta.

[wst50]

what the heck does 'Scirwode' mean?!

It's the guys name. He does that, along with a few others, when it would be much better just to use the signature field. Like most people would. :rolleyes: , if they bothered. It's not like the name isn't to the left of the post anyway.

[anonymous_user]

Unused ram is wasted ram, ok I accept that. But 350-400MB for just a browser. Dont you consider that a bit excessive?

[»X«]

It's the guys name. He does that, along with a few others, when it would be much better just to use the signature field. Like most people would. :rolleyes: , if they bothered. It's not like the name isn't to the left of the post anyway.

Yea, thats always puzzled the hell out of me. Seems pointless, especially when all they post is a " :D " etc.

[Andrew Lyle Global Moderator]

if u dnt like it then dnt use it. no1 is forcin u

Hmm, let me fix this for you:

If you don't like it, then don't use it. No one is forcing you.

That is true, but no matter what Microsoft throws out, people will love it, people will hate it, and what not. Someone just wants to be the first to bash the new product, and find flaws. No one seems to give constructive criticism anymore, and only post blog entries about why it will fail, and why it sucks. You can't please everyone, so just do what you think is "best" and see who else adapts to it. People wonder why Microsoft releases so many versions of its operating systems, so people have choice, which a lot of people feel is bloating and crowding.

If the BETA takes up too much space and ram, then don't install it? Alot of that extra will be stripped once the debugging kit is removed

[over50]

Well after hearing about Chrome on the news I downloaded it and... big dissapointment. Then I heard about how great IE8 is and how it's better than Chrome... downloaded that beta and... another huge letdown.

After using firefox with it's great extensions everything else is unworkable.

Chrome feels more like an alpha than an open beta.

I can't even begin to describe how many things are wrong with I.E.8 beta but suffice it to say that if you're an IE fanboy stick to version 7.

True. According to your logic, unused processor power is wasted (shouldn't windows use 100% of your cpu power 24 hours per day so it's not considered wasted?)and I pretty much believe that it's not using your harddrive as well. (why isn't your hdd spinning at 7200 rpm 24 hours per day?, even better why isn't windows filling your entire hdd space, it unused resource, isn't it?).

[Knife Party]

i seriously doubt whether half of you even understand the word 'beta' -> its not bloody complete, features are being tested/built and improvements are ongoing, so stop complaining about something that hasn't even hit RC yet, and bloody give them a chance to improve the browser before you start the nagging. :hmmm:

[Brandon Live Veteran]

FYI, number of threads is a meaningless number for any application.

Virtual memory usage may appear higher than it actually is for any application that spawns multiple processes which shared resources (memory-mapped files, etc).

[revvo]

I wonder why people really care if a program uses 500mb ram, as long as it free's it up when closing, and, as long as it does not use 100% cpu while running. people seem to think that the less memory footprint, the better it is (goes only for torrent clients, as ?torrent is king <- my opinion).

Why does it go for torrents only? What makes it a unique case? Is it because the author of uTorrent proves to everyone that youcan> write programs that are efficient and light that you believe so?

Yes, free RAM is wasted RAM but when a program uses 200mb of RAM when it can perform just as well with 150mb of RAM, it ain't efficient. Sure some of us have loads of RAM, but as a programmer you can't assume that everyone will have the ideal specs. Think of games here because games must be (normally) efficient. When the RAM usage of a browser reaches the amount that of a game like Quake 3 or anything of those days, that's ****ed up.

Most people have 2gb or more nowadays, and "even in vista" you will not notice a program using 500mb on the preformance of your computer.

Most people have 2gb or more. Oh really? What, most people on Neowin, or in America? Or in the World? Or most computers sold today have 2GB? Back those numbers up but it's safer to assume that most people nowadays have an amount closer to 1GB of RAM. Not every person upgrades and buys new computers... Some people have a 4-5 year old computer to browse the web and use Office and such. Soon they'll have to upgrade to browse the web? I'll repeat, that's ****ed up.

People keep ranting away on memory usage.

btw; i think photoshop is bloated, it uses 1400mb memory while i edit high resolution photographs.

Horrible comparison that I won't even dispute.

Way a go at encouraging programmers for being lazier.

[General Disarray]

and his website has been added to my router's block list...

The same uneducated rant as Vista is bloated, used too much RAM, blah blah... Go get a life, it is only a browser, use what you see fit.

Unused RAM is wasted RAM, period.

don't you have the constraint to stop yourself from going to it?

[wst50]

Unused RAM is wasted RAM, but it saves YOU money when you don't have to upgrade to use the latest killer apps. And it also gives you some fast leeway when (if) a leak occurs, instead of filling up slow page file...

[TruckWEB]

Bottom price PC now come with 2/3 Gb of RAM and better one now with 4Gb, check that out at your local store.

And if you're a advanced user (Joe user don't need VmWare), well, upgrade! It's time to move to 8Gb of Ram.

As a power user, I never check the amount of memory taken by the apps that I use. And If I need more, I'm going to buy more, it's cheap anyway.

[wst50]

No Truck, nothing sells in 2/3GB units. You get 512 in the very cheapest units. And most people won't go near a RAM upgrade without the PC World Tech guys, which is a ****ing ripoff, and they're the one's most likely to use IE8, the non-ICT minded ones.

[revvo]

Bottom price PC now come with 2/3 Gb of RAM and better one now with 4Gb, check that out at your local store.

And if you're a advanced user (Joe user don't need VmWare), well, upgrade! It's time to move to 8Gb of Ram.

As a power user, I never check the amount of memory taken by the apps that I use. And If I need more, I'm going to buy more, it's cheap anyway.

Right, you're right as far as what's on sale in stores. How about you now think of what's in the homes today? Not as easy right?

If you blindly assume that most people out there have 2GB of ram in their homes, clearly your view on reality is skewed and it shows that either you live in the internet, or your social interraction is very limited. When only about 38% of gamers have 2GB of RAM, you can safely assume that a smaller percentage of average PC's out there used for Office and Web navigation/email have 2GB of RAM. When you consider the number of Steam subscribers out there, it does a pretty good job at representing the population.