Hum Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 DESPAIR among human rights workers in Pakistan over a rash of so-called "honour killings" intensified yesterday when it was disclosed that a girl forced into marriage with a 45-year-old man at the age of nine had been killed by her parents because she asked for an annulment. The girl, 17, who had been fighting a lonely but successful legal battle, was coming out of court in the Punjabi city of Sahiwal after being granted the annulment by a judge when she was surrounded by a group of men and shot in view of police. :blink: The death of Saira Nusrat Bibi has added further to concerns among human rights campaigners already outraged over the case of five women - among them three teenage schoolgirls - buried alive in the province of Baluchistan because they wanted to marry men of their choice in defiance of the wishes of tribal leaders. The Baluchistan case was worsened by an attempt by a member of the country's national parliament, senator Israr Ullah Zehri, to defend it, telling colleagues that "these are centuries-old traditions and I will continue to defend them", The Weekend Australian reports. Members of the religious Jamaat-e-Islami party rounded on Senator Zehi, declaring: "We condemn this barbaric act. This is against Islam, against humanity and against civilised culture." Yesterday, the Government bowed to pressure and ordered an inquiry into the killings. Details that have emerged from the village of Baba Kot in Baluchistan indicate that the three girls -- aged between 16 and 18 - and two of their elderly relatives were "shot at" before being buried alive. "When the fuming elders of the Umrani tribe came to know about the intentions of these girls, they picked them up from their homes along with two of their elderly relatives," one account said. "The crying girls were pushed into official cars and driven to a deserted area. There they were pushed out of the cars, made to stand in a queue, and volleys of shots fired at them. As the bleeding girls fell to the sand, the tribesmen dragged them into a nearby ditch and levelled it with earth and stones. "As the two shocked elderly women tried to rescue the hapless girls, they too were gunned down and buried in the same manner. The killers after burying these women returned to their tribe like conquerors without any action taken against them." source Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/666182-girl-married-at-9-slain-by-parents-at-17/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biotoxic_hazard_835 Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 :blink: WTF? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/666182-girl-married-at-9-slain-by-parents-at-17/#findComment-589751368 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViperAFK Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 sickening. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/666182-girl-married-at-9-slain-by-parents-at-17/#findComment-589751376 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Gary7 Subscriber² Posted September 7, 2008 Subscriber² Share Posted September 7, 2008 A Man 45 years old marries a 9 year old. He is the one that should have been slain. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/666182-girl-married-at-9-slain-by-parents-at-17/#findComment-589751406 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Laughing Man Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 ...and there will always be someone who ways we should respect other peoples beliefs..... Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/666182-girl-married-at-9-slain-by-parents-at-17/#findComment-589751432 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Gary7 Subscriber² Posted September 7, 2008 Subscriber² Share Posted September 7, 2008 ...and there will always be someone who ways we should respect other peoples beliefs..... Beliefs in Pedophilia? I for one will never respect that belief. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/666182-girl-married-at-9-slain-by-parents-at-17/#findComment-589751442 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hum Posted September 7, 2008 Author Share Posted September 7, 2008 Bless the girl's Spirit. Yet I always find this interesting, and telling: Of the new topics, a sexual story takes off most. We are appalled -- but fascinated. ;) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/666182-girl-married-at-9-slain-by-parents-at-17/#findComment-589751480 Share on other sites More sharing options...
random_n Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 We are appalled -- but fascinated. ;) Perhaps it's more of a desire to see if there could possibly be any sense to be found in the details, as there's surely none to be found in the headline. :no: Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/666182-girl-married-at-9-slain-by-parents-at-17/#findComment-589751492 Share on other sites More sharing options...
macrosslover Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 It's a shame to see something like this happen again in a Muslim country because once again it reinforces people's beliefs that it's a backwards religion. Sadly as long as they have idiots doing stuff like this it doesn't help their cause. It's hard to argue it's not a one-sided situation, when I never hear about any males getting beaten and killed for dishonoring their family. It's like a culuture that beliefs the male can never do any wrong and that's just sad. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/666182-girl-married-at-9-slain-by-parents-at-17/#findComment-589751502 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Null Zen Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 Well, it is a pretty damn eye catching title. And the muslims here wonder why people speak out against Islam..... *waits for the inevitable this isnt islam comments* Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/666182-girl-married-at-9-slain-by-parents-at-17/#findComment-589751510 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srugie Veteran Posted September 7, 2008 Veteran Share Posted September 7, 2008 This is just horrible! Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/666182-girl-married-at-9-slain-by-parents-at-17/#findComment-589751522 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yusuf M. Veteran Posted September 7, 2008 Veteran Share Posted September 7, 2008 Well, it is a pretty damn eye catching title.And the muslims here wonder why people speak out against Islam..... *waits for the inevitable this isnt islam comments* What happened is quite unfortunate but it shouldn't be compared to religion. It happened because of tradition and culture, not religion. I wonder how people would react if this happened in China or Russia. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/666182-girl-married-at-9-slain-by-parents-at-17/#findComment-589751542 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelic Marge Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 A Man 45 years old marries a 9 year old. He is the one that should have been slain. I agree, he's nothing but an animal and the so-called parents aren't any better. What happened is quite unfortunate but it shouldn't be compared to religion. It happened because of tradition and culture, not religion. I wonder how people would react if this happened in China or Russia. My reaction would be the same regardless, where it happened is irrelevant. "As the two shocked elderly women tried to rescue the hapless girls, they too were gunned down and buried in the same manner. The killers after burying these women returned to their tribe like conquerors without any action taken against them." Absolutely disgusting. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/666182-girl-married-at-9-slain-by-parents-at-17/#findComment-589752352 Share on other sites More sharing options...
I am Redbeard Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 It happened because of tradition and culture, not religion. Religion is nothing more than tradition and culture, and the whole 'thumb over society' thing. This really is terrible. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/666182-girl-married-at-9-slain-by-parents-at-17/#findComment-589752366 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Lyle Global Moderator Posted September 7, 2008 Global Moderator Share Posted September 7, 2008 I think that is absolutely disgusting. Not just "some" of the story, but the WHOLE DAMN THING. Killed for not wanting to be with a 45 year old. Then two other girls killed for wanting to marry someone of their choice, then the aunts killed for trying to rescue them, and being related. Countries like this make me sick, and I think we should try to teach other countries to adapt such laws, rather then having to read about 45 year old men marrying 9 year olds. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/666182-girl-married-at-9-slain-by-parents-at-17/#findComment-589752370 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lasker Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 Countries like this make me sick, and I think we should try to teach other countries to adapt such laws, rather then having to read about 45 year old men marrying 9 year olds. I agree and this is why all these countries like Pakistan, Iraq, Iran etc will never going to advance in society because they still living in a culture of the past and they still consider the female as garbage and without rights as human being. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/666182-girl-married-at-9-slain-by-parents-at-17/#findComment-589752414 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR3AMxCATCHER Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 I'm glad I live where I do. As for those killers...they need to be one that are shot. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/666182-girl-married-at-9-slain-by-parents-at-17/#findComment-589752828 Share on other sites More sharing options...
revvo Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 I don't care what society you are from. Just, answer this question: Um.... Why? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/666182-girl-married-at-9-slain-by-parents-at-17/#findComment-589755306 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commodore Max Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 :o Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/666182-girl-married-at-9-slain-by-parents-at-17/#findComment-589755310 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sTIMPZ Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 No words could describe what those people deserve... Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/666182-girl-married-at-9-slain-by-parents-at-17/#findComment-589755344 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kronir Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 This whole incident sickens me... Uncivilized, barbaric beats is what they are. :angry: Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/666182-girl-married-at-9-slain-by-parents-at-17/#findComment-589755364 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpool2k Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 Disgusting! Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/666182-girl-married-at-9-slain-by-parents-at-17/#findComment-589755374 Share on other sites More sharing options...
abulfares Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 (edited) Throughout this whole article, the only place Islam is mentioned is here: Members of the religious Jamaat-e-Islami party rounded on Senator Zehi, declaring: "We condemn this barbaric act. This is against Islam, against humanity and against civilised culture." Why do people always love to stereotype Islam and throw the blame on it? If Islam is truly the motivator of such cruel actions, then why don't we hear about stuff like that among the 70 million Chinese Muslims? or the 8 million American Muslims? or the majority of the Middle East? Why is it when a nut case group in some village does something horrible like this, the 1.2 billion Muslims get blamed for it? Islam sets basic rules and principles among all Muslims, but it also encourages cultures and differences as long as they do not contradict with its basic teachings - basic teachings such as prohibiting killing. That is why Muslims around the world are culturally very different than each other and therefore, Islam does not equal culture. Here is a small example: One of the basic teachings of Islam is to prevent parents from forcing their children into marriage. To coup with this basic principle, some parents in some cultures learned to let go. They let the sons and daughters to pick their mates without interference. This happens quite a lot in Jordan and Egypt. Other parents in other cultures are a bit more protective. They coup with this teaching by not interfering directly with their children, but to give advice regarding witch spouse is more suitable for their child, but the final saying is to the son/daughter. My parents are an example of this. In these 2 examples, the parents coup in a "right way". On the other hand, there are the disgusting parents who would murder their children in order for them not to force them into marrying certain individuals. Obviously, this is ultimately a wrong way of coping, why? because it contradicts with another teaching of Islam: protecting and preserving life. I hope this makes my point a bit more clear. I wish if people would start to understand the differences between outdated traditions and Islam. Edited September 8, 2008 by abulfares Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/666182-girl-married-at-9-slain-by-parents-at-17/#findComment-589755470 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Null Zen Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 Because these ARE very old and established Islamic societies. Why is this not the norm for muslims outside of the middle east? Thats a damn good question. But to sit back and suddenly say, oh well this isn't how REAL muslims act, is a load of crap. Just the same as any other religion, the places where it has been the longest is where you find the old zealots doing things as they were done for 100's of years. Do you really think 200 years ago you would have found a muslim woman that only wore a scarf over her head not a full robe and face covering? Or would their have been a public outcry when something like this happened? Hell no, because it was commonplace for commoners to be treated like crap all around the world. But the world advanced, and in many ways most of the middle east has not. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/666182-girl-married-at-9-slain-by-parents-at-17/#findComment-589756000 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Tantawi Subscriber² Posted September 8, 2008 Subscriber² Share Posted September 8, 2008 Because these ARE very old and established Islamic societies. Why is this not the norm for muslims outside of the middle east? Thats a damn good question. But to sit back and suddenly say, oh well this isn't how REAL muslims act, is a load of crap. Just the same as any other religion, the places where it has been the longest is where you find the old zealots doing things as they were done for 100's of years. Do you really think 200 years ago you would have found a muslim woman that only wore a scarf over her head not a full robe and face covering? Or would their have been a public outcry when something like this happened? Hell no, because it was commonplace for commoners to be treated like crap all around the world. But the world advanced, and in many ways most of the middle east has not. :blink: So you think what happened is what real Muslims do? are you insane? those who does these things are far from even fake Muslims, they're more of real animals! Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/666182-girl-married-at-9-slain-by-parents-at-17/#findComment-589756044 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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