Girl Married at 9, slain by parents at 17

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Grand Master

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We DO hear about this in pockets of other mulsim groups - it's a big deal here in the UK. They come over and want the benefits of this country - but when their daughters want to further integrate - they are "honor killed".

I'm not labelling all muslims. THEY ARE! If I were to go to the states and act like a dick, I'd have no problems with an American calling me a "British Dick".

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You people need to stop blaming Islam for things like this.

Like christianity and other "western" religions, theres not just one way to be a muslim. and these things are more about culture than Islam.

And more importantly you can't go on and blame the Ilsmaic religion for this, when the Christian religion is no better. Cults of "christians" holding womens as slaves while they keep as many as 10 or more brides among the higher ranking members of these christian religions, and they marry them as young as 9 as well. And it's not like honor killings is unheard of amidst christians either, it just isn't blown up in the media like honor killings, but rather family tragedies :rolleyes:

yes thisis horrible, but so is what extreme chrisitian cults and branches do as well. so don't go accusing other before you own nest is clean.

And fact is even if this guy wasn't religius, he would still have done it because it had nothing to do with the religion, but a culture of wich family honor is more important than anything else. Religion just makes these honor cultures worse as it gives more ways to dishonor the family.

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Beliefs in Pedophilia? I for one will never respect that belief.

now I don't think there's any belief in pedophilia, there are belief against anti-pedophilia though...

Anyway, this kind of "honour killing" happen everyday in fanatical fundamentalist regions, and not just in Muslims. Really, fanatical fundamentalist Christianity is no better than fanatical fundamentalist Islam.

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zape

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...and there will always be someone who ways we should respect other peoples beliefs.....

You have to. You have no other choice.

You have to respect people's beliefs even though YOU think they are discusting, sick, etc....

I for one think the 45 year old and the killers should be shot.

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Damn third world **** hole. Religion and culture are one and the same in these areas, so stop trying to defend either.

Barbaric.

that's why we have the separation of Church and State. When religion becomes one with culture and politics, it becomes everything, and things get really ugly.

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You have to. You have no other choice.

Well you don't though do you? Nothing forces me to respect another person's beliefs.

that's why we have the separation of Church and State.

Agreed, but it's still BS. So many of our western laws are based around religious undertones. Moreover, are we not supposedto "swear on the bible"? Are presidents not sworn in on the same book?

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Bless the girl's Spirit.

Yet I always find this interesting, and telling:

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Of the new topics, a sexual story takes off most.

We are appalled -- but fascinated. ;)

Don't kid yourself. You've brought to light the truth about what is happening in other countries. I hardly think we're pervs or sicko's man ;)

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have heard of a few honor killings in the UK aswell but it does not compare to this story, its absolutly shocking. Also anti-islamic aswell. This is more of a culture/traditional thing than religous. Im absolutly appauled and feel sick.

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Because these ARE very old and established Islamic societies. Why is this not the norm for muslims outside of the middle east? Thats a damn good question. But to sit back and suddenly say, oh well this isn't how REAL muslims act, is a load of crap. Just the same as any other religion, the places where it has been the longest is where you find the old zealots doing things as they were done for 100's of years. Do you really think 200 years ago you would have found a muslim woman that only wore a scarf over her head not a full robe and face covering? Or would their have been a public outcry when something like this happened? Hell no, because it was commonplace for commoners to be treated like crap all around the world. But the world advanced, and in many ways most of the middle east has not.

yes, they are old and established, BUT don't forget that when Islam came 1400 years ago, the NORM for families - especially those seeking honour and prestige - was to bury any female infant alive. This was an established tradition in those regions. When Islam came, it prohibited these acts and condemned those actions in many versus. As a result, this tradition was phasing out.

But as with any group that does not understand its religion fully, some groups awakened these ancient traditions and what is worse is that they performed them in the name of the religion.

Nonetheless, those actions are not part of the religion nor they will be even if these groups claim the opposite.

That is why you see those actions only in certain groups of Muslims where they had been influenced by their traditions long before Islam came along.

Not to mention, these groups are the ones that have no respect for women. Islam established status for women and gave them rights a bit more than men. This was one of the key points why the traditionalists opposed Prophet Muhammed back then. They argued that females were born slaves for pleasure purposes and serving men only. Islam on the other hand was trying to convince them that females are equal to men.

Again, some groups of Muslims still hold to those old traditions and treat women like crap while the majority of Muslims picked it up the teachings of Islam and moved on.

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Members of the religious Jamaat-e-Islami party rounded on Senator Zehi, declaring: "We condemn this barbaric act. This is against Islam, against humanity and against civilised culture."

Sure, they condemn it in words, but are they actually doing anything about it? ;)

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This kind of garbage is why the world sucks so bad. Holding on to "traditions" simply for traditions-sake is absolutely retarded, regardless where you live or what your religion is.

Take my wife's family, for instance. They have "traditions" they do every month, and even though it stresses my wife out and she doesn't have fun and her family is crazy, she still wants to go because of how great the "traditions" are, or at least used to be.

Sometimes you just have to let go and start over. Has anyone ever read the short story "The Lottery"? Great lesson there about having Traditions for traditions-sake. I think a lot of traditions are started for a reason, then over time the original reason is forgotten but the Traditions are still practiced.

One last thought - what sets us apart from animals is our ability to reason. Looking at this Pakistan incident, NO ONE was using that ability: Not the parents who set their 9 year old up with a 45 year old; not the parents when they killed their own daughter; not the government leaders or the "official people" who took those 3 girls and 2 elderly women out, shot at them and buried them alive. Animals.

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If their is a Hell then her parents deserve to go there...

If there is a Hell, then we all deserve to go there. We ignore the most majestic Being in the universe. Our judging them because they're "worse" than us doesn't exempt us from what we've done.

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Again, some groups of Muslims still hold to those old traditions and treat women like crap while the majority of Muslims picked it up the teachings of Islam and moved on.

And most of those that have "moved on", as you so casually put it, turn a blind eye when things like this are done. Perhaps if your religion would start policing their own, others would be more understanding. As it is, it just comes off as the same bullsh*t that gets regurgitated every time some middle-eastern savages decide to start butchering people. This isn't the 14th century, and these animals need to be dragged into the here and now.

And nothing forces everyone else to respect your beliefs. Noone is right or wrong in this world.

I can say, with a fair amount of certainty, that a 45-year old man marrying a 9 year old child is about as wrong as anything can get.

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Perhaps it's more of a desire to see if there could possibly be any sense to be found in the details, as there's surely none to be found in the headline. :no:

I think you hit the nail on the head with regard to summing up everyones thoughts...

WTF!! how could this still be happening in this day and age?

mind blowing...that's not a civilized or democratic society....how could she have any say in the matter at that age to get married in the first place?? He should be in life sentence...and the government should be sanctioned for this crap. Getting tired of see-ing things like this and people say don't get involved...its not our business...but who will speak up for the girl ??

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zape

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I can say, with a fair amount of certainty, that a 45-year old man marrying a 9 year old child is about as wrong as anything can get.

Again why? Because you say its wrong? Maybe millions of years ago EVERYONE was 45 and married a 9 year old. Again you (nor do anyone else) make the rules of what is right and what is wrong.

I personally disagree with this and find it sick BUT I do have to respect their way of thinking.

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So you think what happened is what real Muslims do? are you insane? those who does these things are far from even fake Muslims, they're more of real animals!

Exactly, they appear to be muslims but they actually aren't. If your culture conflicts with the religion then your not a muslim, that's like saying I've had sex before but I'm a virgin, doesn't make any sense. If these people actually tried to understand the religion not just memorize the quran and the hadiths then this never would've happened.

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Again why? Because you say its wrong? Maybe millions of years ago EVERYONE was 45 and married a 9 year old. Again you (nor do anyone else) make the rules of what is right and what is wrong.

I personally disagree with this and find it sick BUT I do have to respect their way of thinking.

I'm sure a better world would be "understand." You can understand why they did something like this, the reason is in the article itself.

Respect itself has a positive connotation. In that case, it is EXTREMELY difficult to respect these actions.

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