DDStriker Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 And what if she wasn't 14, what if she was a little kid who ran out in front of the car, we wouldn't be having this conversation... People think they can put the blame on younger people because they "listen to loud music" and "don't respect their elders" but when it comes down to it, it was 100% the driver's fault, "vehicular manslaughter", UT announcer etc... Granted, she could've been more careful, but what if this was in a quiet neighbourhood where there was rarely any cars. The article does say it was in a residential area, there could well have been younger children playing near the street, the driver took none of this into consideration... and what if i was a lepricon? little kid - the parents are to blame they should be keeping an eye on such a young child - 100% the child/parents fault the fact is she was 14 and she was listening to music and not paying attention to the road shes more then capable of looking for cars and she knows all about how to cross a road the problem is she didn't in this particular case half of it was the fault of the driver the other half is the girls fault to say its 100% the drivers fault would suggest that the girl was powerless to prevent this from happening no matter what which is a complete lie if the driver saw wasn't speeding then they would of been able to stop in time (hopefully?) i'm not sure where they got they noted him at driving 40mph so maybe there was another person who could have helped prevent it? if the girl looked left and right then theres a good chance she would of seen him and thus could of waited however i do agree we have no idea where this occured maybe she did look left and right and there was a tree or something blocking her view of the car in which the tree would also be to blame and should be cut down or perhaps he came flying up hill who knows one thing is for certain though she would of heard a car if she wasn't listening to the music which would also have helped her survival People think they can put the blame on younger people because they "listen to loud music" and "don't respect their elders" i'm not generalizing her like that at all the music would of hindered her ability to hear the car properly and the reason i emphasize loud music is because if its not loud then she would of heard the car :) thats just logic we know nothing of the girl and if she respects her elders or not and so we can't make that judgement yurithedragon post explains just that "use your eyes and ears" our eyes are only line of sight and our ears are well omnidirectional they could of saved her Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/706008-girl-14-listening-to-her-ipod-killed-by-speeding-driver/page/2/#findComment-590235772 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azusa Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 We have designated, sign posted speed limits for a reason too... Yes and they are to protect the stupid people who don't use the designated crossings. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/706008-girl-14-listening-to-her-ipod-killed-by-speeding-driver/page/2/#findComment-590235798 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDStriker Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 Yes and they are to protect the stupid people who don't use the designated crossings. +1 made me smile :D Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/706008-girl-14-listening-to-her-ipod-killed-by-speeding-driver/page/2/#findComment-590235810 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 We have designated, sign posted speed limits for a reason too... 30mph is comically slow though. the speed limits need updated and raised in my opinion. 70 on a motorway...what a farce. should be able to do at least 85 Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/706008-girl-14-listening-to-her-ipod-killed-by-speeding-driver/page/2/#findComment-590235856 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViZioN Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 Condolences to the family. 30mph is comically slow though.the speed limits need updated and raised in my opinion. 70 on a motorway...what a farce. should be able to do at least 85 The problem isn't with increasing the speed limit, it's how do you slow down in time when you're travelling at the increased speed. Increased speed gives you less time to react to anything up ahead. A lot of people think they're a better driver than they are, that they will be able to deal with any situation that comes up, but as you see on BBC News etc every week thats not the case. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/706008-girl-14-listening-to-her-ipod-killed-by-speeding-driver/page/2/#findComment-590235936 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pyehac Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 if she was reading a book while crossing the road, would they blame books? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/706008-girl-14-listening-to-her-ipod-killed-by-speeding-driver/page/2/#findComment-590236838 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PL_ Veteran Posted December 7, 2008 Veteran Share Posted December 7, 2008 if she was reading a book while crossing the road, would they blame books? The Daily Mail are professional trolls. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/706008-girl-14-listening-to-her-ipod-killed-by-speeding-driver/page/2/#findComment-590236922 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PyX Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 if she was reading a book while crossing the road, would they blame books? At the very moment yeah, but then they'd blame the author. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/706008-girl-14-listening-to-her-ipod-killed-by-speeding-driver/page/2/#findComment-590236930 Share on other sites More sharing options...
revvo Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 The problem is not just the fact that she didn't look both ways. The other danger is listening to music too loud on the streets at a level that you can barely hear cars pass by unless they're close. I see idiots riding their bicycles with their earbuds or headphones. They're just asking for an accident. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/706008-girl-14-listening-to-her-ipod-killed-by-speeding-driver/page/2/#findComment-590236942 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rev Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 I won't presume to think the girl was jaywalking, but the bottom line here is, this kind of thing can be avoided completely if both pedestrians and drivers simply OPEN THEIR F**KING EYES and act safely. TOO MANY TIMES do i see pedestrians carelessly running or walking across the street, wrongly assuming they have the right of way, even when they're jaywalking. TOO MANY TIMES do i see careless drivers occupying their attention by talking on their phone or texting, putting pedestrians at risk. PAY ATTENTION, PEOPLE! Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/706008-girl-14-listening-to-her-ipod-killed-by-speeding-driver/page/2/#findComment-590238212 Share on other sites More sharing options...
d4v1d05 Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 I won't presume to think the girl was jaywalking, but the bottom line here is, this kind of thing can be avoided completely if both pedestrians and drivers simply OPEN THEIR F**KING EYES and act safely. TOO MANY TIMES do i see pedestrians carelessly running or walking across the street, wrongly assuming they have the right of way, even when they're jaywalking. TOO MANY TIMES do i see careless drivers occupying their attention by talking on their phone or texting, putting pedestrians at risk. PAY ATTENTION, PEOPLE! Jaywalking? What's this? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/706008-girl-14-listening-to-her-ipod-killed-by-speeding-driver/page/2/#findComment-590238236 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shockz Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 We have designated, sign posted speed limits for a reason too... Less than 10 over the limit isn't that much... especially KPH. He was going 6MPH over. I do that daily. Jaywalking? What's this? Not crossing in a designated area... such as a crosswalk or sidewalk. You can get a ticket for it, but its never really enforced. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/706008-girl-14-listening-to-her-ipod-killed-by-speeding-driver/page/2/#findComment-590238240 Share on other sites More sharing options...
what Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 Jaywalking? What's this?It's an Americanism for walking across roads that are illegal for pedestrians to be on. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/706008-girl-14-listening-to-her-ipod-killed-by-speeding-driver/page/2/#findComment-590238254 Share on other sites More sharing options...
d4v1d05 Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 Less than 10 over the limit isn't that much... especially KPH. He was going 6MPH over. I do that daily.Not crossing in a designated area... such as a crosswalk or sidewalk. You can get a ticket for it, but its never really enforced. He was doing just under 40 MILES PER HOUR. We don't have jaywalking laws in this country... EDIT: what, are there roads that are illegal to walk on? DOUBLE-EDIT: The crossing where the 14-year-old died after stepping in front of a car as she listened to her iPod Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/706008-girl-14-listening-to-her-ipod-killed-by-speeding-driver/page/2/#findComment-590238258 Share on other sites More sharing options...
alphaomegainfinity Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 Oh too many ifs and buts here. Too many permutations spoil the broth. I feel ok when her friend wrote she died a hero - a great martyr for the ipod. Next time we will see limited edition ipods released with her initials engraved or something. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/706008-girl-14-listening-to-her-ipod-killed-by-speeding-driver/page/2/#findComment-590238280 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexandre. Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 Very sad, my heart out to her family. Atleast her friend could write a better note then "she was an hero" ...:laugh: Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/706008-girl-14-listening-to-her-ipod-killed-by-speeding-driver/page/2/#findComment-590238310 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonC Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 ipod has nothing to do with the accident. everyone know that before crossing the road one has to check his right and left sides. and she obviously didnt do it. Agreed. A little while ago I saw some guy nearly get run over by the car in front of me, he had his ear phones in and was staring down and his music player or phone, stepped right out into the road without looking, luckily the other driver was aware of him. While it was unfortuanate the guy was going over the sign posted speed when the accident occured, the girl should have paid more attention to what she was doing. Weather the guy was doing "slighly under 40" or 30mph, he couldn't stop the girl from stepping into the road before she had looked. As always, the driver gets penalised and will probably get put in prison for something not entirely his fault. I'm sure children under 14 are taught how to cross cross a road safely. I know I was. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/706008-girl-14-listening-to-her-ipod-killed-by-speeding-driver/page/2/#findComment-590238942 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonC Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 if she was reading a book while crossing the road, would they blame books? No, they would as per usual blame the driver. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/706008-girl-14-listening-to-her-ipod-killed-by-speeding-driver/page/2/#findComment-590239006 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corris Veteran Posted December 7, 2008 Veteran Share Posted December 7, 2008 Its both their faults, speeding and not paying attention. I've nearly been hit by a car on my street at this one corner where I always forget to look, but whenever walking to Uni ro somewhere, I cross where I know it is safe and I can easily see whats coming, and also usually at the lights. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/706008-girl-14-listening-to-her-ipod-killed-by-speeding-driver/page/2/#findComment-590239068 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Warwagon MVC Posted December 7, 2008 MVC Share Posted December 7, 2008 I bet she won't do that again. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/706008-girl-14-listening-to-her-ipod-killed-by-speeding-driver/page/2/#findComment-590239950 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercellus Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 Quite honestly this has nothing to do with the iPod... she could have been using a Zune and the world would point fingers directly at Microsoft for her death. It's a case of not looking both ways and not paying attention. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/706008-girl-14-listening-to-her-ipod-killed-by-speeding-driver/page/2/#findComment-590239976 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kylejn Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 ipod has nothing to do with the accident. everyone know that before crossing the road one has to check his right and left sides. and she obviously didnt do it. Exactly. Boo f'ing hoo. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/706008-girl-14-listening-to-her-ipod-killed-by-speeding-driver/page/2/#findComment-590239986 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 I bet she won't do that again. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/706008-girl-14-listening-to-her-ipod-killed-by-speeding-driver/page/2/#findComment-590240004 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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