Heroes Volume 4 : Fugitives

[Rappy Veteran]

Hes not the star though, and they have barely promoted him.

The show isn't going to last much longer anyway, I'd say 2 more seasons max. They can easily keep anyone they want for that long.

Yeah true all I ever see is Chris Pine but I feel they have played alot of the new Spock clips so he is up there granted not the top billing...Tim Kring set end of Season 5 as an end date so its going to be that.

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2 more season max? They'd struggle to get that. I've always seen Zack as the star. Heroes is the kind of show when their all the "main characters" though they try make Hayden seem like the star. imo.

Well they have next season already, and I see them giving the show one more to wrap everything up after that. So yes, 2 more.

As far as the 'stars', I watch the show for Hiro and Matt. If either one of them was to die, I would stop watching.

I meant that Quinto wasn't the star of Star Trek, btw, not that he isn't the star of Heroes.

[Pretend]

Ah.. my bad. I find Hiro's character a little too childish and stupid but he's okay sometimes. I think Matt is one of the best characters though :)

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Ah.. my bad. I find Hiro's character a little too childish and stupid but he's okay sometimes. I think Matt is one of the best characters though :)

This is true, but Hiro is the only one who wants to be a hero on the entire show. The rest of them will do what needs to be done, but Hiro really believes in it.

[SuperJediMedia]

No, we don't. Thats what ruined the show in the first place when they listened to people wanting more fighting, and it continued to nosedive into the crapper from there.

Ok it's obvious No matter what you always complain about Heroes.

Why you continue to watch it?

God. Some People!!! :rolleyes:

Plenty of people agree Heroes was Better with the "Villians" volume!!!

I am not so sure this "Fugitives" volume is better at all!

It seems pointless to me, when you have all these characters with powers, they don't use it to battle each other.

I mean, this is NOT a standard drama, it's supposed to be Action Sci-Fi show!

Edited April 15, 2009 by JediXAngel

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Ok it's obvious No matter what you always complain about Heroes.

Why you continue to watch it?

God. Some People!!! :rolleyes:

Plenty of people agree Heroes was Better with the "Villians" volume!!!

I am not so sure this "Fugitives" volume is better at all!

Villains was absolutely awful all the way through.

Also, in this case I wasn't complaining about the show, but about your idea of what the show needed.

Without a doubt, the best Volume of Heroes was Volume 1. And in V1, they had barely any 'battles' or anything of the sort. Sylar killing people and Kirby plaza was just about everything. A couple future scenes cover the rest.

The show doesn't need any more battles.

It seems pointless to me, when you have all these characters with powers, they don't use it to battle each other.

I mean, this is NOT a standard drama, it's supposed to be Action Sci-Fi show!

No, it isn't. Thats what you want it to be, but it wasn't that originally. Do you remember the original tag line? 'Ordinary people discovering extraordinary abilities' It was supposed to be a drama about how these 'ordinary' people. Once they started to turn it into something else (quite frankly - to cater to people like you), is when it lost its way and became a meandering wasteland of recycled plots, bad acting, and wasted episodes. Haven't you noticed that the last few episodes, (which everyone agrees have been much better - before this week) don't have the things you are looking for in them?

Edited April 15, 2009 by episode

[SuperJediMedia]

Villains was absolutely awful all the way through.

Also, in this case I wasn't complaining about the show, but about your idea of what the show needed.

Without a doubt, the best Volume of Heroes was Volume 1. And in V1, they had barely any 'battles' or anything of the sort. Sylar killing people and Kirby plaza was just about everything. A couple future scenes cover the rest.

The show doesn't need any more battles.

Of course Season 1 wasn't bad, but it was just the BEGINNING. It's MAIN purpose was to introduce these characters, so not much battle was expected.

However, Characters suppose to EVOLVE!

What happens when characters Evolve? The Good BATTLES Evil, that's WHAT!

The Bottomline is this show is NOT for you NO MORE, you complained during Villians, here you again complain about Fugitives.

We are Tired of you complains!

You should just Quit watching, cuz I don't think this show is ever going back to the way season 1 was, cuz like I said, the part about Introducing characters is OVER!

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Of course Season 1 wasn't bad, but it was just the BEGINNING. It's MAIN purpose was to introduce these characters, so not much battle was expected.

However, Characters suppose EVOLVE!

What happens when characters Evolve? The Good BATTLES Evil, that's WHAT!

The Bottomline is this show is NOT for you NO MORE, you complained during Villians, here you again complain about Fugitives.

We are Tired of you complains!

You should just Quit watching, cuz I don't think this show is ever going back to the way season 1 was, cuz like I said, the part about Introducing character is OVER!

Originally, the series was supposed to have a new cast every season. So they would be introducing new characters each season. But that had nothing to do with why S1 was good. It was good because the scripts were good, the story made sense, there wasn't a plot hole every 15 feet, and many, many other things. It didn't have anything to do with the fact there weren't any 'battles'.

If you agree that S1 was good, then why do you want the show to be completely different than it was when it was good?

Oh look, its your Smallville excuse "If YOU Don't LIKE it, change THE Channel! This IS the BEST show Ever!"

[Pretend]

Well they've had a lot of "fights" but making more "battles"then it would end up even more like x-men. :no:

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Well they've had a lot of "fights" but making more "battles"then it would end up even more like x-men. :no:

There really haven't been that many, though. And when they are, they are usually really short and don't rely on powers that much. Which is fine.

But to say that we need more of them is completely wrong.

[SuperJediMedia]

But to say that we need more of them is completely wrong.

Here you go again, forcing your OPINION as Facts!

:no:

:|

I want to see more fights/battles, but after all it's just my OPINION. I am certainly not gonna justify it as a fact or anything!

[SuperJediMedia]

Well they've had a lot of "fights" but making more "battles"then it would end up even more like x-men. :no:

Well, then I suppose the Fact is everybody watches THIS particular show all for different reasons!

More like X-men, definitely FINE with me. :)

[Cold Blood]

In the end,maybe they shouldn't listen to people at all,if they sticked with their original plan maybe things would have been better, I mean the viewers don't want what's best for the show and not giving what the viewers want is part of the magic. I mean I find it really weird for this show to be guided so much by it's viewers.

Ok,so we love peter,sylar etc,but who knows if the writers sticked to their original plan,to renew most of the heroes every season,it would have made a difference. I mean there are other potential heroes out there that can be just as good as peter or sylar. What's the fun of the show if the viewers get to influence the show so much.

So what if an awesome hero or villain dies? Just give him a unforgettable ending and it will be just fine,and leave room for new heroes and new ideas. The writters in the end know what's best for the show and not us viewers. This is exactly what they did to daphne but her death really made her even more memorable,and as far as I know that was Bryan Fuller handy work who was one of the original writters.

[Mathachew Veteran]

More like X-men, definitely FINE with me. :)

Which makes it completely unlike what it was originally intended to be. Not sure why you're unable to fully grasp that.

[Deathray]

Nowadays, it appears if Claire is shown for more than 1 minute in an episode, it's going to be a filler episode... I've said it before, that whole storyline of her importance is overrated

Her significance ended when Sylar got her power

[Rappy Veteran]

Imagine if Jedi and Episode was in the same room discussing Heroes it would be epic :p

[84Mark]

Her significance ended when Sylar got her power

What ever happened to her being the catalyst - what did Sylar actually do to her when he took her powers.

Also - what ever happened to the Irish girl that Peter fell for, what happened to the virus that seemingly disolved into Peter. They should stick to some of the older story arcs before creating new pointless and boring ones (like the whole Angela's sister / 1961 story).

[SuperJediMedia]

Which makes it completely unlike what it was originally intended to be. Not sure why you're unable to fully grasp that.

So, writers/producers didn't intent this to be an Action Sci-Fi show?

[Rappy Veteran]

What ever happened to her being the catalyst - what did Sylar actually do to her when he took her powers.

Also - what ever happened to the Irish girl that Peter fell for, what happened to the virus that seemingly disolved into Peter. They should stick to some of the older story arcs before creating new pointless and boring ones (like the whole Angela's sister / 1961 story).

Irish girl was lost in time to a future that never happened, the virus Peter burnt up in his hand so it was destroyed and you can't really get much older then actually finding out about the original company.

[Mathachew Veteran]

So, writers/producers didn't intent this to be an Action Sci-Fi show?

That's exactly what we're saying when you look at how this show started off. Season one's finale wasn't a power spectacle bonanza for a reason.

[Deathray]

That's exactly what we're saying when you look at how this show started off. Season one's finale wasn't a power spectacle bonanza for a reason.

I thought it was... Nukes, teleportation, flying...

[Mathachew Veteran]

I thought it was... Nukes, teleportation, flying...

I'm not saying nothing powers-wise happened, but compare it to if this show were trying to emulate X-Men and there would be a huge difference.

[Pretend]

So, writers/producers didn't intent this to be an Action Sci-Fi show?

Action when did they intend for Heroes to be an action show :huh: ?

[SuperJediMedia]

That's exactly what we're saying when you look at how this show started off. Season one's finale wasn't a power spectacle bonanza for a reason.

Are you sure?

I already explained that Season 1 is that way for A reason, it's just to introduce these characters, but as seasons progress, I expect characters evolve, get MORE powerful. MORE battles.... but maybe I had it all wrong.

Maybe you are right, maybe I was expecting a different type of show .

Who knows?

Anyway we can find out for sure?

[Admodieus]

The problem with the show is that the seasons (or volumes) were supposed to be able to stand on their own, like people have said before. Thus, Hiro, Peter, and Sylar were all given broken powers in the first season. The writers never intended for these guys (at least not ALL of them) to stay around more than a season. When they did decide to keep them around, they had to figure out ways to restrict or limit their powers.

THAT is what ruined this show. Sylar lost his powers but got the cure from Mohinder at end of Volume 2/start of Volume 3 - but he lost all of the ones he acquired to that point, except for telekinesis. Only now with Claire's healing, the ability to detect lies and shape shifting is he starting to become really powerful again. Peter had his powers taken from Arthur Petrelli but then injected himself again, which gave him a limited portion of his original powers. Hiro lost his powers to Arthur too, but now is able to use his with Parkman's kid.

So what you now essentially have is a bunch of once-powerful people running around, merely shadows of their former self. Add to that the fact that we have not been able to retain any significant contributions since Season 1 (Maya is gone, Elle is dead, Flying Boy from Season 2 is gone, Daphne is dead, Micah's cousin with muscle memory, Claire's mom is dead, most of the villians from Season 3 are dead besides the Puppet Man) and what you have is an increasingly stale show.