jwjw1 Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 (edited) Pretty sure that wishing death upon others is against what your 'god' stands for. lol...my comment has nothing to do with wishing death. I'm sure some people may think Scientist are trying to play God by creating a Sun they think God made and some who don't really don't know how the Sun's existence came about. Some Fusion's have been tested to create power and this Fusion is to harness the power from a reaction that has the energy/heat of the Sun. It's the 100+ million Celsius that boggles my mind about 'containment' and 'controlled'...maybe a few billionth of a second isn't much..but to me that temperature can melt anything known to man. Edited January 1, 2009 by jwjw1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincent Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 lol...my comment has nothing to do with wishing death. I'm sure some people may think Scientist are trying to play God by creating a Sun they think God made Not all scientists think a god is responsible for the sun's creation. and some who don't really don't know how the Sun's existence came about. Cosmology has a very good grasp on how it cam about, this is an observable phenomena throughout the universe, i'd explain but seeing as your stuck to such logic it'd go way over your head. Some Fusion's have been tested to create power and this Fusion is to harness the power from a reaction that has the energy/heat of the Sun. All nuclear fusion generates energy.... brush up on Fusion And then come back and post. It's the 100+ million Celsius that boggles my mind about 'containment' and 'controlled'...maybe a few billionth of a second isn't much..but to me that temperature can melt anything known to man. Perhaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmoley2k Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 It's the 100+ million Celsius that boggles my mind about 'containment' and 'controlled'...maybe a few billionth of a second isn't much..but to me that temperature can melt anything known to man. True, it can, that's the whole point. It needs to get hot enough to get the fuel pellet to collapse, increasing density and providing energy to allow fusion to happen. But that heat will be confined to a very small space, and the nearest thing it can come into contact with is 16 feet away. The reactor itself will be designed to have a big temperature gradient, so the actual heat at the walls will be sustainable (the walls will need to be hot anyway, as that's how we get the energy from it... when a self sustaining reactor has been built). The reactor is designed to take it. They haven't done this on a whim. Years and years of design, development, safety analysis etc. has all gone into this. Also, looking into the energy output, they are looking at 45Megawatts from each fusion pellet. As someone mentioned earlier, Hydrogen fusion is used in H-bombs. The difference is, a 1kt bomb has roughly a million times the power output (I think, if I did the sums right). It isn't dangerous, and the ITER reactor will be just as safe, if not even safer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Veteran Posted January 1, 2009 Veteran Share Posted January 1, 2009 100 million degrees Celsius!?... how are they going to sheild that kind of heat? Seriously... that's gonna require at least *5* layers of tin foil. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmoley2k Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Hmmm... maybe 6? Better safe than sorry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
what Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 At the beginning of 2006, the Z machine produced plasmas with announced temperatures in excess of 2 billion kelvin (2 GK, 2?109 K) or 3.6 billion ?F, even reaching a peak a3.7 billion K or 6.6 billion ?F./b>[ 100+ million Celsius is nothing compared to what we've done before, so I wouldn't worry too much about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Montage Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 I've not read the whole article, but isn't there a global ban on neuclear fusion experiments? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkMan Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 You may be thinking Fission. since Fusion is a fairly big thing to experiment on and rightly so. though I don't see any reason to have a ban on fission experiment either, not outside of weapons testing anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Montage Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Ah I stand corrected. I knew it was one or the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Decryptor Veteran Posted January 2, 2009 Veteran Share Posted January 2, 2009 You can't go around blowing up fission or fusion bombs, but there's no problem at all with building a power plant. Well, there are problems, but they're just political. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewJW Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Best of luck to them, I hope many onions bounce in glory of their might. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Matt~ Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Looks awesome. Such a warm and cosy chamber. :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NateB Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 I live down the street from lawrence livermore....this makes me a little nervous, even though it is awsome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guru Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 "The power of the sun, in the palm of my hand" in some hands it could be dangerous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eccofresh Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 they are also building a nuclear fusion test plant in europe priced at 5 billion punds sponsored by eu, us, india, china and others which is supposed to generate more power then needed to create and sustain the fusion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhon Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Not all scientists think a god is responsible for the sun's creation.Cosmology has a very good grasp on how it cam about, this is an observable phenomena throughout the universe, i'd explain but seeing as your stuck to such logic it'd go way over your head. All nuclear fusion generates energy.... brush up on Fusion And then come back and post. Perhaps. Wow ego anyone. Just because someone believes is a "god" you make an absurd assumption that he cannot comprehend your level of thinking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Decryptor Veteran Posted January 2, 2009 Veteran Share Posted January 2, 2009 in some hands it could be dangerous. Yeah, but that's reality. A stick in the wrong person's hands could be dangerous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lezard Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Wow ego anyone. Just because someone believes is a "god" you make an absurd assumption that he cannot comprehend your level of thinking? Don't worry about it, i'm sure you would fit in same category =P Some religious folks, refuse to learn, and other simply are too stupid to even know what the process of fusion is, and what Fusion (Creation of energy through fussion of two atoms) and Fission (Creating energy through destruction of atoms) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhon Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Don't worry about it, i'm sure you would fit in same category =PSome religious folks, refuse to learn, and other simply are too stupid to even know what the process of fusion is, and what Fusion (Creation of energy through fussion of two atoms) and Fission (Creating energy through destruction of atoms) Difference between stupid and uneducated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincent Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 If I remember right, is something more like 20-25 Solar Masses minimum to make stellar blackholes. I think. Either way, this thing won't make blackholes, or be dangerous to the general population! Fusion is something I am really excited about. This, and ITER in Cadarache, France, are some of the most important physics machines being built imo. They have huge implications.Also, ripgut, I just realised that you are forom Pasco. I am going to be nearby in a couple of weeks. I'm going to be in Richmond for 6 months working at LIGO for part of my PhD. Yea LIGO is awesome, i'm hoping to get a tour of that place soon, we had a star party a few months back there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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