iPhone OS 3.0 is coming, preview on March 17th

[Garry]

like that is going to help :(

i personally have 1st gen iphone and never once did i need mms. i prefer to send email with pic.

...which is great if the person you're sending to has either push e-mail on their phone, or is sat at their computer. If you want a person to receive your message immediately then MMS is still (unfortunately) the only way to go.

[Vice]

...which is great if the person you're sending to has either push e-mail on their phone, or is sat at their computer. If you want a person to receive your message immediately then MMS is still (unfortunately) the only way to go.

Unless your friends have iPhones :p

[qdave]

I understand but... I'm not saying I want stereo bluetooth because I know there's a hardware limitation but MMS, the first generation can do perfectly. Jailbroken iPhones do it. Apple is simply lying.

probably, and forcing us to further jailbreak :(

[Garry]

Unless your friends have iPhones :p

My life is great because not *all* of my friends are total tech-nerds.

[PL_ Veteran]

1st question: Why did C&P take so long

Answer: Because of security Issue

does this mean DRM on C&P????

Does that actually mean anything to you? Because it doesn't to me.

[DomZ]

I think the reason there is no MMS in the 1st GEN iPhone is because it's a different radio chip, and they don't want to have to write it for that hardware as well (even though it is technically capable of it). Most of the other changes will simply just work on the old iPhone, but MMS wont without Apple having to specifically fix it. So in a way they have stopped supporting the 1st gen (which is fair really considering its 2 years old now!).

[BajiRav]

He did say there is 100 new Consumer features. We don't yet know the full extent of those.

Knowing how Apple counts "new features", I am not holding my breath besides summary of what we saw today.

I can see Phil Schiller proudly declaring Cut-Copy-Paste are 3 new features. YEY!

[zeroday]

Besides what do you really need to run in the background that its push notifications can't do for you?

Well, the problem is some apps need to run in the background but don't need to notify you of anything. Take for example IRC. I came home, missed a bit of the event, so I opened IRC on my G1, connected to neowin and asked to find out if some features had been announced. While I was there, people were posting links to images on Engadget, which I was opening in the phone browser.

Now when I'm browsing Engadget, I still need to be able to receive IRC messages.

So what happens to the IRC app on the iPhone? Does it update the chat window when the app opens again? If so, how will it do that, where can it save channel messages? Does the push server allow you to store loads of messages and then send them to the phone in one go? Should it push a notification out for each message posted to the channel? What about messages in multiple channels?

Allowing background apps solves all of these problems.

[Guest]

Sam and Simon are in the process of downloading the 3.0 developer beta and will be taking your questions shortly :)

https://www.neowin.net/news/main/09/03/17/l...30-installation

[Sean B. Veteran]

Quick note here guys, we're a QnA session regarding the 3.0 beta that was released to developers.

Linkage: https://www.neowin.net/news/main/09/03/17/l...30-installation

[Neil]

I want 3.0 now, MMS and Copy & Paste.

It is shame the Beta is for developers only...

[giga Veteran]

Sam and Simon are in the process of downloading the 3.0 developer beta and will be taking your questions shortly :)

https://www.neowin.net/news/main/09/03/17/l...30-installation

They got through the ADC login? Link?

[DrewJW]

I want 3.0 now, MMS and Copy & Paste.

It is shame the Beta is for developers only...

You and me both.

[+John. Subscriber¹]

I want 3.0 now, MMS and Copy & Paste.

It is shame the Beta is for developers only...

I reckon people have paid $99 to get the developer kit just for that reason.

[PT 13]

This update still hasn't made me want an iPhone... maybe iPhone OS4.0 will.

It was a shame that a phone which costs 500?/600? here in Portugal didn't have MMS, and Copy/Paste, my SE w580i has both MMS and Copy/Paste and it only costs 1:p? :p

[Xero]

Well, the problem is some apps need to run in the background but don't need to notify you of anything. Take for example IRC. I came home, missed a bit of the event, so I opened IRC on my G1, connected to neowin and asked to find out if some features had been announced. While I was there, people were posting links to images on Engadget, which I was opening in the phone browser.

Now when I'm browsing Engadget, I still need to be able to receive IRC messages.

So what happens to the IRC app on the iPhone? Does it update the chat window when the app opens again? If so, how will it do that, where can it save channel messages? Does the push server allow you to store loads of messages and then send them to the phone in one go? Should it push a notification out for each message posted to the channel? What about messages in multiple channels?

Allowing background apps solves all of these problems.

That's a good reason to allow them, didn't think of it. But other than IRC, when would you really need it? Don't get me wrong, I think multitasking is a must. The palm pre does this quite nice, but its easy to show it, how it actually runs is another story. I think if they allowed 2-3 apps to run, letting you switch like Safari pages, that would be great. Having apps still run after closed, that I'm not to keen on.

[giga Veteran]

I reckon people have paid $99 to get the developer kit just for that reason.

The SDK is free. To have your application published to the App Store though, requires the fee.

[Reimroc]

One thing I'm really excited about is lifted restriction of apps communicating with the Dock Port.

GPS adaptor for the 1st Gen. iPhone, anyone? :p

[DiEMOS]

yea, i want 3.0 myself. fairly decent update, i expected more to be honest, but a lot of cool apps can be made though, so thats good, i really hope they will introduce new iphone by June, i can't wait to get rid of my 2.5G

[Reimroc]

yea, i want 3.0 myself. fairly decent update, i expected more to be honest, but a lot of cool apps can be made though, so thats good, i really hope they will introduce new iphone by June, i can't wait to get rid of my 2.5G

Actually, I was quite surprised at some of the stuff they are adding and lifting restrictions upon. I guess that compensates for the multitude of features "missing". :p

[zeroday]

That's a good reason to allow them, didn't think of it. But other than IRC, when would you really need it?

IRC is just the main thing I use background apps for and is an example is just specific to me. But I'm sure there will loads of other people also wandering how they will make their app work with this limitation.

[Elliot B.]

So the iPod Touch (touted as the funnest iPod ever), won't be able to take advantage of this, joy (N)

"Looks like that Bluetooth chip in the iPod touch 2G we've always thought was for Nike+ suddenly got a lot more useful: Apple's Greg Joswiak said that Bluetooth can be "unlocked" on the device during the iPhone OS 3.0 Q&A session. That's two years of rumors put to rest, right there, and a solid move, seeing as three of the major 3.0 features are A2DP, wireless accessory control and peer-to-peer connections over Bluetooth. Any touch owners feeling more inclined to drop the $9.95 now?"

[Vice]

IRC is just the main thing I use background apps for and is an example is just specific to me. But I'm sure there will loads of other people also wandering how they will make their app work with this limitation.

IM services for the iPhone/iPod Touch have got around this already by making there Servers connect to the IM your using.

For example.. You open your IRC app, enter a chat room with your chosen username. But the connection your making isnt IRC -> iPhone

Instead its IRC Server -> 3rd Party Application Server -> iPhone. So when you close the application, there Server keeps you connected and retrieves your messages, then when you re-open the Application again the messages are pushed to you as if they were always there. Basically you don't need Push Notices from Apple to do what you want. And it would save even more battery life since your only getting Conversations when you re-open the App even though your still 'connected' via the Cloud intermediary.

I think Apples Push service is really great. It's not ground breaking but its a step in the right direction. I personally would have made a background service which could accept xml plugins from 3rd Party installed apps which supported a basic scripting language like 'read web file based on parameter x and y, check for new content every xx seconds' Something that is expansive enough to give Developers control without needing to setup some huge Server architecture to talk to Apples push notification servers while maintaining low power draw since its not another executable its just an extenuation of an IP based pushed system but without the continuously alive connection (Which actually would save battery life compared to Apples persistent IP solution)

[KeR]

Great I can't login to download the beta...website is getting hammered.

[DrewJW]

Could someone perhaps get the beta onto a mirror?