Windows 7068 spotted on connect

[Subject Delta]

64 bit builds are always bigger. They contain 32 bit binaries (the syswow64 folder) for the WOW64 emulator that actually enables 32 bit applications to run in Win64, and 32 bit versions of IE and WMP. Remove those bits and the 32 and 64 bit builds would be pretty close.

[xJakex]

Hopefully they fixed performance issues / made it faster.

@Lord Ba'al - Hwaaa?! 64-bit build is bigger?!

Yeah 64bit usually is 3GB and higher and 32 bit is usually lower than 3GB. As shown in the picture, it's about 3.23GB.

At the rate the guy is going, he should be done within the next 30 mins. If he installs it right away, which he probably will, that will take another 30 mins or so, so about 12pm(CST)/1am(EST) we will find out more about that time hopefully.

reidtheweed01, not everyone has 64bit, like me ;)

Edited March 27, 2009 by xJakex

[I am Reid]

why would you people NOT want 64bit?

[Sean2989]

Whether or not it leaks, its still cool to know some people get the chance to play with the new shinny builds, :p

[Xerxes]

I'm a little dubious of the authenticity of this, mainly due to the surge of fake builds recently and the fact the screenie is a photo, how hard is it to press print screen? really?

[ObiWanToby]

A photo might make it seem more legit....no clean line photoshopping? If you calculate the time remaing, it seems in line with the estimate, so it seems half legit at least :p.

71.9534045 minutes.

Edited March 27, 2009 by Intelman

[dafin0]

why would you people NOT want 64bit?

some people run older computer and most laptops done have more then 3gb of RAM.

Im running 32bit because my mate wanted windows 7 but he only has a 32bit laptop, so to save my self another download i just kept to 32bit as well, im only missing out on about 1gb of ram so it doesnt really worry me

[Xerxes]

some people run older computer and most laptops done have more then 3gb of RAM.

Im running 32bit because my mate wanted windows 7 but he only has a 32bit laptop, so to save my self another download i just kept to 32bit as well, im only missing out on about 1gb of ram so it doesnt really worry me

RAM isn't the only reason to go 64-bit though, it offers better performance (for 64-bit optimized code) better security etc as well, of the 3 machines I have running 64-bit Windows (7 and Vista) only 1 has 4Gb RAM, the others have 1.5Gb and 3Gb respectively. In your case though I can understand why your running 32-bit, I just mean in general. Providing you got a 64-bit CPU and 64-bit drivers for your hardware, going 64-bit is definitely worth considering, it's not just for people who want more then ~3Gb of RAM.

[wguimb]

Why do most threads about Windows 7 turn into 64bit verses 32bit? Anyway, I'm using both architectures with build 7057 on identical hardware and I see no real difference.

[non.sequitur2]

Why do most threads about Windows 7 turn into 64bit verses 32bit? Anyway, I'm using both architectures with build 7057 on identical hardware and I see no real difference.

Uh...you mean other than the fact that you can see 3+ GB of system memory, right? Isn't that the real reason we run 64 bit?

[Sean2989]

When I do virtualization x64 not only allows more ram, but it offers a smoother experience when running 2 or more virtual machines. And I run both x86 and x64 and under normal load you really don't see much of a difference. Also since there is more support for x86 I can see why people want it. Just my opinion though.

[Digitalx]

AMD x86-64 branding isn't much of an indication but intels branding of EM64T which stands for Extended Memory 64 Technology is more or less the indication of what current so called hybrid "64bit" is. The apparent speed improvements are because it allows higher amount of memory to be used that's all. Without the higher amount of memory it is pretty much pointless that's why we still have x86 and why i still use it since 2GB is plenty for me at the moment.

[Fagutish]

AMD x86-64 branding isn't much of an indication but intels branding of EM64T which stands for Extended Memory 64 Technology is more or less the indication of what current so called hybrid "64bit" is. The apparent speed improvements are because it allows higher amount of memory to be used that's all. Without the higher amount of memory it is pretty much pointless that's why we still have x86 and why i still use it since 2GB is plenty for me at the moment.

No.

Straight out of hte Wiki article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64#Architectural_features)

64-bit integer capability (which means everything can be computed at, at least, 64-bit length)

Additional registers

Instruction pointer relative data access

I don't know where you got the idea that "x64"was just a physical memory extension.

[wguimb]

*sigh*

[Digitalx]

No.

Straight out of hte Wiki article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64#Architectural_features)

64-bit integer capability (which means everything can be computed at, at least, 64-bit length)

Additional registers

Instruction pointer relative data access

I don't know where you got the idea that "x64"was just a physical memory extension.

I'm aware of 64 bit architecture but again has hardly any relevancy since four fifth of screw all people make native 64 bit applications for this specific hybrid architecture (which is different in several ways to IA-64 due their incompatibility). I was talking about the technology implementation of it. It's designed to extend the memory support more then anything else.

Anyway back on topic... Quite honestly I don't think any leaks are needed between now and public/widespread RC testing. I don't think it's really worth downloading 2-3GB to have maybe desktop.ini bug fixed.

[Randolph]

Anyone confirm this?

April fools?

[Digitalx]

Anyone confirm this?

April fools?

March 27th here in New Zealand April 1st still quite a bit off ;)

[Fagutish]

I'm aware of 64 bit architecture but again has hardly any relevancy since four fifth of screw all people make native 64 bit applications for this specific hybrid architecture (which is different in several ways to IA-64 due their incompatibility). I was talking about the technology implementation of it. It's designed to extend the memory support more then anything else.

Anyway back on topic... Quite honestly I don't think any leaks are needed between now and public/widespread RC testing. I don't think it's really worth downloading 2-3GB to have maybe desktop.ini bug fixed.

I was not refering to a general 64bit architecture or IA-64. I was referring to "this specific hybrid architecture" otherwise known as: x86-64

It's not just about giving access to more ram (which is technically possible with 32-bit systems using Physical Address Extension)

this hybrid architecture allowed us the capability of full 64bit length arithmetic in addition to various modernizations of the architecture.

While, I agree that the merits of running x64 builds of windows vs x86 builds can be underwhelming in most general circumstances (4gb or below) This doesn't mean that this stuff is just a slapdash memory extension to x86 its a full blown update.

[sdornan]

I'm aware of 64 bit architecture but again has hardly any relevancy since four fifth of screw all people make native 64 bit applications for this specific hybrid architecture (which is different in several ways to IA-64 due their incompatibility). I was talking about the technology implementation of it. It's designed to extend the memory support more then anything else.

Anyway back on topic... Quite honestly I don't think any leaks are needed between now and public/widespread RC testing. I don't think it's really worth downloading 2-3GB to have maybe desktop.ini bug fixed.

Don't mean to go to far off-topic, but just wanted to clear things up a bit...

You shouldn't think of x64 as being a "specific hybrid architecture" because it's become the standard. In the beginning, Intel's IA-64 and AMD's AMD64 competed against one another, but IA-64 ultimately flopped, and AMD licensed their AMD64 design to Intel for their own chips, which Intel has since put their own spin on and now calls Intel 64. Now that most modern chips (Athlon 64/Pentium 4 "Prescott"s and up) support the x64 (AMD64/Intel 64) architectures, 64-bit applications are becoming increasingly more common. Adobe Photoshop CS4 has a native 64-bit version, and Office 14 is also going to have a 64-bit version.

Oh, and x64 is much more than just "more memory".

[Snowl]

why would you people NOT want 64bit?

Sorry, not everyone in the world needs a super computer. Oh wait, your the person who said the moon doesn't exist! That makes perfect sense now (:

RAM isn't the only reason to go 64-bit though, it offers better performance (for 64-bit optimized code) better security etc as well, of the 3 machines I have running 64-bit Windows (7 and Vista) only 1 has 4Gb RAM, the others have 1.5Gb and 3Gb respectively. In your case though I can understand why your running 32-bit, I just mean in general. Providing you got a 64-bit CPU and 64-bit drivers for your hardware, going 64-bit is definitely worth considering, it's not just for people who want more then ~3Gb of RAM.

And on x32bit it offers worse performance. And compatibility.

[The Rev]

why would you people NOT want 64bit?

Because the drivers available to me for my laptop are sh*tty in 64 bit mode.

[sdornan]

Because the drivers available to me for my laptop are sh*tty in 64 bit mode.

That's the main legitimate reason for sticking with 32-bit. Unless you have a more recent computer with high-profile parts, 64-bit drivers are still lacking in many cases, even if you have a processor which supports 64 bits. That said, Windows 7 drivers of any kind, 32 or 64 bit, are still pretty scarce at this point.

[stargazer68]

I have a 64 bit processor but I prefer to install 32 bit. It seems faster than the 64bit. And I don't like to have two part "program files" one for 32 pros and one for 64 pros. Since the majority of apps are for 32bits, it seems more pluasible to use the x86 one.

[hanko panko]

Get back on track guys, now did someone install build 7068?

[Xerxes]

Sorry, not everyone in the world needs a super computer. Oh wait, your the person who said the moon doesn't exist! That makes perfect sense now (:

And on x32bit it offers worse performance. And compatibility.

:/ I've experienced the complete opposite on that front, more programs (namely games) that either refused point black to work in 32-bit Windows or didn't work correctly, work flawlessly in Vista x64.