Star Trek Into Darkness

[Rappy Veteran]

With the shortening window between theatrical and home video shrinking every year, it doesn?t surprise me Amazon has just started taking pre-orders on a limited edition Star Trek Into Darkness 3D combo pack that comes with a cool looking Starfleet Phaser. While Amazon doesn?t have a release date, I?m willing to bet it?s between the end of September and early November.

In addition, while Amazon is currently selling the set for $79.99 (20% off the $99.99 retail price) they have a great pre-order guarantee which says if the price ever drops ?between your order time and the end of the day of the release date, you?ll receive the lowest price.? So if they ever offer it for 40% off, you?ll get it for that price.

[Dot Matrix]

Saw it on Thursday. Amazing!

The only thing I didn't like is ancient star wars looking uniforms. Even the old red dress uniforms were better looking.

The uniforms were all throwbacks to TOS.

[trek]

If you dismiss the prime-universe canon and just take the new universe as it is, I thought this movie was great; It's targeted for the masses. I saw it in AVX 3D on Friday and was pretty impressed.

Yes, those 'star wars' imperial gray uniforms were pretty ugly though.

[DocM]

Just saw it in IMAX 3D, and I've got to say I was pleasantly surprised :D The tie-ins to other movies (while they did make it a bit predictable closer to the end) I enjoyed, and even the group of people I went with (most of whom had never seen a Trek show/movie in their life) liked it a lot.

Am I correct in thinking that the half-destroyed moon hovering over Qo'noS/Kronos was Praxis, tying it in to The Undiscovered Country?

I certainly took that moon to be Praxis, as did several others in our group!

overall a great movie, I would recommend it to just about everyone :p

As would I - great fun, even if you don't get the numerous TOS references.

[Razorwing]

That's a pretty cool Phaser.

[qdave]

The uniforms were all throwbacks to TOS.

weren't these the original dress uniforms?

[theyarecomingforyou]

weren't these the original dress uniforms?

From memory?and according to this website?yes. Apparently they were used from 2265-2270.

[spacer]

I saw the movie last night, and I thought it was really good. I've seen the original series and the movies, and Into Darkness didn't bother me one bit. I think some of you are taking this a little too seriously.

There are a lot of criticisms of the movie that are simply not true or I don't agree with, but I'll pick one out for arguments sake. I actually like Quinto's Spock. The fact that it seems like his Spock suppresses rather completely removes his emotions fits really well into the new timeline. He's younger than he was in the TOS/movies so it only makes sense that he's a bit more emotional than the classic, stoic Spock. In addition, Vulcan was destroyed and he watched his mother die. Those things must have had an effect on him that the original simply didn't have.

I like to think that classic Spock gravitated more towards his Vulcan half which made him more "logical", and the new Spock more towards his human half, which makes him a bit more emotional. It certainly makes sense with the events that we've seen so far. Not to mention it makes for a better character. But, we still get to see a stoic Spock most of the time too. Case in point, the Volcano scene.

Back to the movie though, the acting was good, the CG was great, and the pacing was pretty good. Towards the end, it did seem like they wrapped things up too quickly; but that's a small gripe. Hopefully we'll get a third movie. But that's still up in the air, since apparently the movie didn't live up to box office expectations; which is disappointing.

[RageOfFury]

I saw it this past weekend and I felt like I was watching JJ Abrams' Mission Impossible and not Star Trek. While it was a good action flick, it didn't have the Star Trek feel.

So, in short, Wrath of Khan > Into Darkness.

[Dot Matrix]

weren't these the original dress uniforms?

Yes, but those never made a come back. To see what I mean, take a look at Adm. Marcus's uniform compared to Adm. Kirk's. http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/File:Alexander_Marcus.jpg and http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/File:James_Kirk,_2270s.jpg

Also, in the movie, McCoy had on a medical garb that was a throwback to TOS as well. I can't find a pic of that though.

[Yusuf M. Veteran]

Originally, I planned on seeing it the day it was released but my friends couldn't make it. So, I saw it last night and surprisingly a lot of people came late so we had good seats. Anyway, I thought the movie was really good. It's better than the first one because the crew of the Enterprise didn't feel like rookies. Barely any time was wasted and although the ending was a little rushed, it was necessary to wrap things up. Benedict Cumberbatch's portrayal of

Khan

was really good.

I cringed when he broke Carol Marcus' leg with one swift kick. I cringed even harder when her father's head was crushed. It's crazy how powerful the augments are in terms of sheer strength. I wasn't too surprised to see Spock go toe-to-toe with him, even if it was only for brief moments at a time.

I guess what surprised me the most was how a lot of things have stayed the same in the future. And I liked it because that was more realistic. As any Trekkie would know, things were definitely portrayed differently in pretty much all Star Trek media before the reboot. A lot of stuff was futuristic but some stuff wasn't and it looked out of place... like the past met the future. In Star Trek Into Darkness, it felt natural.

Another thing is the technology aboard Federation ship. It's not as advanced as the main universe and that is likely attributed to the destruction of the USS Kelvin from the first movie as well as Vulcan. Did you guys notice the lack of shield bubbles? They mentioned shields in the movie but anytime the Enterprise was hit, the hull would get damaged. It seems like the shield technology isn't advanced enough to defend the ship from energy-based weapons. Instead, it's used to protect the interior of the ship from outside transporters

I saw it this past weekend and I felt like I was watching JJ Abrams' Mission Impossible and not Star Trek. While it was a good action flick, it didn't have the Star Trek feel.

So, in short, Wrath of Khan > Into Darkness.

I think it had more of a Star Trek feel than the first movie.

[qdave]

Yes, but those never made a come back. To see what I mean, take a look at Adm. Marcus's uniform compared to Adm. Kirk's. http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/File:Alexander_Marcus.jpg and http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/File:James_Kirk,_2270s.jpg

Also, in the movie, McCoy had on a medical garb that was a throwback to TOS as well. I can't find a pic of that though.

Excellent! I didn't notice that :)

Did they have dress uniforms in the first movie(2009)?

All I remember is that everyone was wearing red.

[DocM]

Excellent! I didn't notice that :)

Did they have dress uniforms in the first movie(2009)?

All I remember is that everyone was wearing red.

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Starfleet_uniform_(alternate_reality_2250s)

[Matthew S.]

Originally, I planned on seeing it the day it was released but my friends couldn't make it. So, I saw it last night and surprisingly a lot of people came late so we had good seats. Anyway, I thought the movie was really good. It's better than the first one because the crew of the Enterprise didn't feel like rookies. Barely any time was wasted and although the ending was a little rushed, it was necessary to wrap things up. Benedict Cumberbatch's portrayal of

Khan

was really good.

I cringed when he broke Carol Marcus' leg with one swift kick. I cringed even harder when her father's head was crushed. It's crazy how powerful the augments are in terms of sheer strength. I wasn't too surprised to see Spock go toe-to-toe with him, even if it was only for brief moments at a time.

I guess what surprised me the most was how a lot of things have stayed the same in the future. And I liked it because that was more realistic. As any Trekkie would know, things were definitely portrayed differently in pretty much all Star Trek media before the reboot. A lot of stuff was futuristic but some stuff wasn't and it looked out of place... like the past met the future. In Star Trek Into Darkness, it felt natural.

Another thing is the technology aboard Federation ship. It's not as advanced as the main universe and that is likely attributed to the destruction of the USS Kelvin from the first movie as well as Vulcan. Did you guys notice the lack of shield bubbles? They mentioned shields in the movie but anytime the Enterprise was hit, the hull would get damaged. It seems like the shield technology isn't advanced enough to defend the ship from energy-based weapons. Instead, it's used to protect the interior of the ship from outside transporters

I think it had more of a Star Trek feel than the first movie.

I think it was more to do with the fact that the Vengeance is more advanced and built for war that it could easier penetrate the Ent's shields... Also remember there is no "warp factor" mentioned either...

[Rappy Veteran]

David Lindelof tweeted this apology via twitter after the backlash received from female viewers and fans of the series for reducing the character to a sexual object.

He also relayed the following statement via an email to MTV.

Why is Alice Eve in her underwear, gratuitously and unnecessarily, without any real effort made as to why in God's name she would undress in that circumstance? Well there's a very good answer for that. But I'm not telling you what it is. Because... uh... MYSTERY?

[Yusuf M. Veteran]

It's funny how they don't have an issue with a shirtless Kirk in his underpants but as soon as they see a woman in her underwear, they complain. :/

I think it was more to do with the fact that the Vengeance is more advanced and built for war that it could easier penetrate the Ent's shields... Also remember there is no "warp factor" mentioned either...

That may have been valid in the first movie (Narada vs. Enterprise) but surely another Federation ship can't be that more advanced. When the Enterprise was at warp and the Vengeance caught up, it fired regular phasers instead of super top secret torpedoes.

[Dot Matrix]

It's funny how they don't have an issue with a shirtless Kirk in his underpants but as soon as they see a woman in her underwear, they complain. :/

That may have been valid in the first movie (Narada vs. Enterprise) but surely another Federation ship can't be that more advanced. When the Enterprise was at warp and the Vengeance caught up, it fired regular phasers instead of super top secret torpedoes.

I'm wondering, in this timeline are they even using typical warp drives? They VFX and even the way the characters talk, makes me think otherwise

[+Nik Louch Subscriber²]

but surely another Federation ship can't be that more advanced

The whole point of the Vengeance was that is WAS that much more advanced.

[winrez]

I went to it twice just to let stuff sync in and thought it made for a good movie but, wish there was going to be a TV series of the movie timeline if Enterprise doesn't get picked up.

[TheLegendOfMart]

Didn't think I was going to enjoy it but it was AWESOME, I didn't enjoy the ending as much though the role switching and macguffin to bring

Kirk back to life

was a bit silly.

I love Quintos take on Spock.

I can't wait for the third.

[Dashel]

The whole point of the Vengeance was that is WAS that much more advanced.

More advanced than Nero v Kelvin? I'm doubtful. I honestly can't remember if TOS (pre-movies) had normal shielding or if it was more of the plating type of ENT/Kelvin.

[DocM]

Pre-TOS (Enterprise, new film until USS Vengeance) the shields were energized plating, not too different than the electromagnetic reactive armor** being developed for modern tanks. That opened up damage from some missiles, such as the cluster projectiles fired by the Narata. TOS and USS Vengeance is when force field shields came into use.

** parallel conductive plates separated by a dielectric, forming a large capacitor. When charged and hit by an incoming shell it shorts the plates, and the arc plasma vaporizes the shell.

[Dashel]

Was the Vengeance more advanced, or just a purely combat focused ship? My impression was the latter.

[Matthew_Thepc]

I'm wondering, in this timeline are they even using typical warp drives? They VFX and even the way the characters talk, makes me think otherwise

I noticed the same thing - the "warp drive" in the movie looked a lot more like some form of the quantum slipstream seen in Voyager than the warp drive in the other series. not to read too much into it, of course ;)

[TheLegendOfMart]

Warp isn't different, its just stylised differently to set the old and new movies apart.

In Admiral Marcus office you could see models of the ships and the NX-01 was there so its still Zephram Cochranes warp drive.