Opera: Microsoft's 'minor tweak' of Windows 7 not enough

[M_Lyons10]

Opera is already installed (with out being an option by the way) by Adobe and their creative suit/dreamweaver and maybe other of their apps. And still cant get market share. That alone should tell them its their product, not another companies fault.

No other company sneaks their browser into your computer.

Really? That I did not know... Nice. Good to know that Opera is so "above board"...

I agree, I always enjoyed having IE as a browser, even though it's not the browser of my choice, it's nice to have something to fall back on. Maybe IE became a little to big to be just bundled with Windows, and would a more minimal, simple, feature-poor (is that a word?) browser be a better implementation. Because, in my opinion, an OS needs a browser as one of the basic available tools, compared to tools as wordpad and paint. How else would I download Firefox?:(

I agree 100%. This is what I've been saying since this whole issue began. There are certain things I expect my operating system to be able to do out of the box. Web browsing is one of the big ones...

Opera can shut up and go to hell.

It would be funny and sad when Opera continues to complain. The game being played here is that Opera wants free advertising. It looks like they won't stop whinging until they get it. Face it, they don't give a rat's *** about "fair competition" or "standards support". This is starting to remind me of the SCO. :rolleyes:

Yep. They want someone else to get their browser out there since they have done such a poor job of doing so... ;)

[ToneKnee]

Microsoft should just buy Opera to shut them up. Would be cheaper than all these fines.

[Raa]

Nah Tony, then they'd face an anti-competition court for buying up competitors, or some BS. You know the drill!

[Explore]

I wish Opera would stop being that 5 year old keep wanting to get attention.

If they want to gain marketshare. Make a browser worth switching to. I have used there browser time to time even the one in beta and it's nice but it doesn't give anything worth switching from browsers like Firefox, Safari, and Chrome.

[The_Wizard]

fix'd

:laugh:

This is getting ridiculous now... well more ridiculous. If theres a ballot screen then I'd imagine most computer-illiterate users would probably just choose IE anyway because they see it as the internet... The screen could confuse some people as well if they don't know what it is.

[Prince Charming]

Opera need a big warm mug of stfu, which they then need to drown themselves in. It's quite frankly ridiculous MS should have to remove the browser from the operating system AT ALL, and I hope any and all customer complaints regarding its lack of presence in default installs from media are forwarded straight to Opera to answer to. Opera are more than welcome to make an operating system and distribute their browser with it in my opinion, they're also welcome to stump up the six billion dollars plus in development costs.

They've got what they wanted which is bad enough, but trying to ask for core elements of the trident rendering engine to be removed is just stupid. It's relied upon by the core operating system for some pretty important functions, and further relied upon as the embedded html renderer for a lot of other programs (Steam...). They really should just quit while they're ahead. And they still won't get any market share.

[lalalawawawa]

Something tells me that they are desperate for market share. Now the best thing that Microsoft can do is to put several browsers for the user to choose from at installation, excluding Opera. What would Opera do than? :)

[sweetsam]

Here are some facts. Firefox came in to existence as Firebird with innovative features and rendering speed giving Microsoft's IE6 a run for its money which prompted Microsoft to restart developing IE followed by release of IE7. Even after than Firebird continued to get popular and went on to become firefox as it is today and has been increasing its market share ever since.

Most importantly all this happened while windows shipped with IE6/7 bundled in as default browser which clearly shows people are willing to use a browser if they feel it is worthy irrespective of the status of IE on their system.

So if you want a recent example look at chrome. Its fast and is gaining market share as well. Is that enough or do you need more whiny opera ?

So shut up and start working on improving your browser to compete with the rest instead of being a cry baby.

[CarlosMiguel]

Poor OPERA! Doesn't still realize that bashing Microsoft won't gain them market share only people would be ****ed off on what they are doing. MS is not forcing anyone to use IE. This is desperate act definitely.

[statm1]

Those will continue to work as the Trident engine is still in there and parts of Windows uses it.

I was refering to if Opera got its way and it all got taken out of Windows.

[Rigby]

I know one thing, I'll never use Opera again. I'm sick of hearing their whining.

[hdood]

You can flame Opera all you want, but in reality it doesn't matter one god damn bit what Opera's motives are. If Microsoft broke the law, they broke the law, and it will be up to the authorities to decide what course of action to take. I know only about three people on the entire forum will understand this, but whatever.

[statm1]

This has nothing to do with the 90s IE bundling case hdood.. Opera/EU has no basis in the current rehashing of the issue because Firefox proved that IE being included was not anti-competitive. If you have a sucky product the only thing to do is pick on the leader to get free publicity. If you suck you suck. Then theres the EU that pays its employees with the fines it takes from MS and all the rest of the big american companies it goes after.

[hdood]

This has nothing to do with the 90s IE bundling case hdood..

Uh, yes it does.

Opera/EU has no basis in the current rehashing of the issue because Firefox proved that IE being included was not anti-competitive.

That is your personal opinion. The courts disagree. Firefox is not a very good example either, as it is a non-profit volunteer project that arose from the ruins of Netscape (which, in the end, was unable to compete with Microsoft).

If you have a sucky product the only thing to do is pick on the leader to get free publicity. If you suck you suck.

If you break the law, you should be punished. I don't see you people lining up to defend other criminals. It doesn't matter what Opera wants out of it.

Then theres the EU that pays its employees with the fines it takes from MS and all the rest of the big american companies it goes after.

Here comes the conspiracy theories. Isn't there a separate section on the forum for that?

I can't believe you're so god damn naive that you can't even imagine the possibility that the companies that are prosecuted (which are not just American) are actually guilty. Microsoft might make some nice products, but it's not your friend, and it's behavior in the past has been despicable.

[Harlem39s Finest]

what a sad little whining c***, nobody cares about your browser, deal with it.

[GJVC]

You can flame Opera all you want, but in reality it doesn't matter one god damn bit what Opera's motives are. If Microsoft broke the law, they broke the law, and it will be up to the authorities to decide what course of action to take. I know only about three people on the entire forum will understand this, but whatever.

So why don't they go after apple? Mac os + Safari sounds like the same thing.

Anyways, I feel like they're just creating and bending all sorts of laws just to get microsoft on its knees.

People in Europe actually have to buy an OS without a browser now.

maybe in windows 8, they can't even use a GUI, because competetors would like to implement their own custom themes...

I think this whole thing is getting out of hand, and it's a piece of bull****

[TheLaughingMan]

hmmm but GJ, Apple don't own 80%! of THE SHARE!! XD

[hdood]

So why don't they go after apple? Mac os + Safari sounds like the same thing.

Anyways, I feel like they're just creating and bending all sorts of laws just to get microsoft on its knees.

People in Europe actually have to buy an OS without a browser now.

Really? Do explain when Apple held nearly 100% of the OS market and then integrated a product from another market that was previously standalone in an attempt to kill the competition. Oh, that's right, never. In fact, Microsoft even managed to make IE the default on Mac OS, in return for helping Apple out.

[Miuku.]

Look at that, another thread where almost all the whiners are from the 'States.

This is my surprised face.

[M_Lyons10]

Now i refuse to use it because they're becoming annoying as hell.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA

[statm1]

Uh, yes it does.

No it does not. MS was punished already for the 90s case by the US DOJ. This is an entirely new case.

That is your personal opinion. The courts disagree. Firefox is not a very good example either, as it is a non-profit volunteer project that arose from the ruins of Netscape (which, in the end, was unable to compete with Microsoft).

That is not my personal opinion. Firefox has succeeded and did so all on their own having just hit their billionth download without the help of any governmental body fining their competition for them. That is FACT and that does PROVE that bundling IE is not anti-competitive, if you have a good enough product to compete with that is.. It does not matter where Firefox came from or who makes it. Netscape just could not make a good enough browser to compete where Mozilla has.

If you break the law, you should be punished. I don't see you people lining up to defend other criminals. It doesn't matter what Opera wants out of it.

The point of Firefox getting their billionth download proves that MS didn't break the law, because if bundling IE with Windows in the era of Firefox is anti-competitive then Firefox should not have succeeded.

I can't believe you're so god damn naive that you can't even imagine the possibility that the companies that are prosecuted (which are not just American) are actually guilty. Microsoft might make some nice products, but it's not your friend, and it's behavior in the past has been despicable.

It sounds like your the one that is naive. If you would take your head out of your ass you would see that the world is not only black and white. There is a perfectly legitimate gray area. Smaller companies complain and cause trouble for larger companies all the time. Especially when they can't develop a product that is as good or better than the one they are trying to compete against. Just seems like you have a chip on your shoulder over companies that find their niche and become and continue to be successful. Large companies should not have to appoligize for being successful.

[Unimatrix Xero]

opera can shut up moaning i used to have some respect for opea now ive lost off respect for them

[Prince Charming]

Look at that, another thread where almost all the whiners are from the 'States.

This is my surprised face.

Er what, on this page alone I see two people from the UK saying Opera and the EU are retarded and one person in favour of Opera/IE's removal from the USA.

Your suprised face needs work.

[M_Lyons10]

Look at that, another thread where almost all the whiners are from the 'States.

This is my surprised face.

No one's whining (Aside from Opera of course). I personally would not want an operating system that out of the box couldn't surf the internet. I use Firefox. By running Windows I was not obligated to use IE. I installed a new browser (Not Opera because it sucks...). I tried Opera. I tried Safari. Didn't like either of those. Chrome is O.K... I personally don't think this is doing consumers any favors. It's going to be a pain for them, especially the ones that aren't techie... And now Opera wants Microsoft to rework the OS so that the bits and pieces of IE that the OS uses and are used by other programs aren't necessary? All developers that make use of the IE components should have to rework their applications to make Opera happy? This is becoming ridiculous.

[Miuku.]

Mozilla was backed by one of the largest IT businesses in the world, notably Google. 85% of their revenue comes from that.