Opera Wants More From Microsoft

[tunafish]

Ding Ding Ding, and we have a hardcore opera fanboi! Do you like work for Opera or something?

Sorry to burst ya bubble but in marketshare opera comes in at like 5th - FACT Which also must mean it rates LOWER in yes you guessed it DOWNLOADS

http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=0

So yer im guessing that it is you sir who is very ignorant.

[sirgh0st]

Just go tell these idiots how you think there idea sucks. Let them hear it directly. Posting it all over the net and in blogs, forums, etc is not going to get to them directly.

http://www.opera.com/support/contact/?help=registration

[DDStriker]

And those people just click on the blue "E" that stands for Enternet. :rofl:

No, it's absolutely the opposite of imposing. The user should have alternative choices, it's about that.

Again people do have a choice but we should not be forcing them to choose they do have the freedom to seek an alternative internet explorer is just a tool to get on the internet you can then use other means of accessing

In this case, browsers have to follow a certain criteria to be listed in the OS itself. IE8 already comes installed with Windows, the user is just presented with an alternative that he can just ignore.

Its asking for to much windows and internet explorer come together as one package

Imagine if you built a program that would use a library you built to do certain things wether its connecting you to the internet or just handling some data processing, then having some ******s called the EU telling you that hey its not fair that your program is using your library...we don't want things to work that way you have to give people a choice to use other libraries or we'll sue you for a gajillion dollars

i mean what were you thinking? you can't make practical decisions for your software to compete in the market thats just crazy you have to be a wet blanket and let everyone join in on the fun even if its your program

/sarcasm

Why do you say the GPL license is "crap"?

And no... That's not the way it works for Free Software.

Because i've had enough bad experience with it

the code is usually crap and the last one i came across pretty much said

"Hey i'm going to be a real **** you can either buy a licenese for me or you can use me free but now you're program which is far superior then this crummy library needs to become open source aswell HA HA HA"

mentioned nothing about my software being free or not good thing their library was useless and there were better, free, unlicensed alternatives

GPL has to be the biggest scam to date they pretty much take existing free libraries tweak them a bit slap on a gpl and now if you have anything similar to it they'll cry **** from their sockets and will go all sue happy its just a big joke

Again thats from my experience :p i don't mind giving credit where credit is due but these guys take it to far

also @ sirgh0st

hmm i was going to say "why do you hate the term fyi?" and started coming with a reason why its not that bad...i couldn't i then proceeded to picture some retards saying each letter like

"EFF WHY EYE I PUKED THIS MORNING"

i can only stand it when they atleast say the full word "for your information" but yeah the thought of that now makes me want to hurt someone thanks sirgh0st :D

[ncoday]

And those people just click on the blue "E" that stands for Enternet. :rofl:

No, it's absolutely the opposite of imposing. The user should have alternative choices, it's about that.

In this case, browsers have to follow a certain criteria to be listed in the OS itself. IE8 already comes installed with Windows, the user is just presented with an alternative that he can just ignore.

Why do you say the GPL license is "crap"?

And no... That's not the way it works for Free Software.

Users do have choices, just like I have a choice to buy a Ford or a BMW or download Firefox, Chrome or Opera.

That does not mean that Toyota should have to also let GM get on their advertising budget because Toyota has a better market share in the US!

Opera Software more than doubled its profits compared to the same quarter last year. The overall revenue growth was something like 60%. Opera Software does not need handouts. However, dishonest Microsoft shills will always misreprestent Opera's position because that's what they do.

Microsoft has fooled a lot of ignorant children. They have apparently also paid a lot of people to spread lies on their behalf. Quite pathetic, really.

Yet another blatant lie from a paid Microsoft shill.

And yet another lie from a paid Microsoft shill. The fact is that Opera is the #3 browser worldwide. In Europe Opera is not only the #3 browser, but its market share is higher than Safari and Chrome combined.

Either these people are paid Microsoft shills, or they are insanely ignorant.

Using vague phrases like "Doubled Profits" means nothing. If their profits went from $5 Million to $10 Million, that would not be as impressive as a company increasing their profits from $150 million to $250 Million. Not Doubling, but an increase of $100 Million in profits is more impressive then just $5 Million

[Skyfrog]

Seems like Opera is doing it's best to tick off and lose what few users it had. I know I'll never use their product again.

[sirgh0st]

also @ sirgh0st

hmm i was going to say "why do you hate the term fyi?" and started coming with a reason why its not that bad...i couldn't i then proceeded to picture some retards saying each letter like

"EFF WHY EYE I PUKED THIS MORNING"

i can only stand it when they atleast say the full word "for your information" but yeah the thought of that now makes me want to hurt someone thanks sirgh0st :D

This is the thread that made me hate the rm FYI. this guy would just not shut up. Kind of like opera is doing here with all this bull**** with microsoft.

[DDStriker]

This is the thread that made me hate the rm FYI. this guy would just not shut up. Kind of like opera is doing here with all this bull**** with microsoft.

Hahaha i saw you're post that thread is brilliant Just FYI it bothered me to ;) :p

also wow in the time that i first joined this conversation 12 people have voted in favour of opera...12 people need to die :shiftyninja:

[chrisj1968]

Just my opinion here guys but, isn't it time for Opera to go home? it's dark outside now...for them atleast.

[carmatic]

Opera wants the updates of browsers to be integrated with Windows Update and distributed by Microsoft.

my copy of the Opera browser auto updated... have Opera forgotten that their own browser auto updates itself?

[shakey]

So much fuss over a crappy browser......

[seta-san]

That's the definition of anti-competitiveness. They provide the platform, so their products should have an advantage above all of the other non-Microsoft solutions.

A Media Player is not an essential part of an OS.

A Web browser is not an essential part of an OS.

(...)

i made this comment along time ago. but the real competition when it comes to a media player isn't the player itself but the codecs. windows media player has been proven to be very competitive because it allows the installation of different codecs other than what came with it..

next. you are right. a browser might not be an essential part of an OS... but neither is a GUI or anything but the kernel. but that aside. At least a standard rendering engine should be part of a modern operating system.

[ATLien_0]

opera just needs to quit already.

however aren't third party drivers pushed through windows update? I mean they are certified before they make it to windows update?

[Eric Veteran]

opera just needs to quit already.

however aren't third party drivers pushed through windows update? I mean they are certified before they make it to windows update?

Yes. 3rd party drivers on Windows Update must pass WHQL certification.

[Eric Veteran]

Cut to the point and be honest in your reply.

Do you believe that the current alternative of having each application checking for updates on application startup or having that same application install an "updater" that just sits there doing nothing but checking for new application versions (and doing just that?) taking system resources is a better solution than the centralized software updater?

Yes. And since I've been honest the whole time, I'm not sure there's any point in elaborating. Constantly running updaters are stupid. That's not what most software does. It checks when you run it and that seems to work just fine.

Do you believe that using a (possibly compromised) Web browser to search for and download applications is a better solution than using a package manager?

This has nothing to do with the topic or the argument. It is supposition, and while Vista and Windows 7 both have a control panel for the updater it is still the same component that ran in the web browser. Perhaps if Opera wants a package management system in Windows they could commission one from Microsoft. It doesn't come with one.

[Sailorcancer]

I like the idea of EVERYTHING being in one update manager. But... with browsers WHO CARES!? All browsers have an update option and when you open them they tell you. If you use it as a default browser it will tell you the moment it opens that there is an update.

[petrossa]

next. you are right. a browser might not be an essential part of an OS... but neither is a GUI or anything but the kernel. but that aside. At least a standard rendering engine should be part of a modern operating system.

i made this observation over and over again, but in essence Windows is a Browser that let's you run other applications on the side. The same explorer the manages all windows is the explorer with a rendering engine tacked on. As such the core of windows as a browser that let's you browse internet as well.

[Berserk87]

i gotta say i agree with them.

not in the sense that microsoft should be held back until they do so, but now that microsoft is offering other browsers on installation, if they want to keep security up, there going to have to included alerts for the other browsers when there are updates.

[petrossa]

Unfortunately for MS the EU committee has invited all and sunder to shed their light on the ballot issue. Valid input from the plaintiffs (don't forget it wasn't just Opera who complained) WILL be seriously considered for inclusion in their final verdict.

This stuff sounds to me like something the EU will accept as relevant.

[iamwhoiam]

Opera software has a new suggestion to EU Commission. Opera wants the updates of browsers to be integrated with Windows Update and distributed by Microsoft. Opera thinks that if Microsoft doesn't distribute the security updates of rival browsers, it will cause some problems for users.

Opera is failing not just because their browser is crap, but also because they can't afford to advertise, promote it and distribute it. They've admitted as much. If they get this then they should have to pay to have it done. Opera needs to go away, permanently. Since they can't afford to run their business then they shouldn't be in business.

I guess I'll have to start writing software that competes with what's in Windows and then sue because similar functionality is included in the OS. Tehn I'll complain to the EU and have them make Microsoft distribute my stuff for me.

[petrossa]

I guess I'll have to start writing software that competes with what's in Windows and then sue because similar functionality is included in the OS. Tehn I'll complain to the EU and have them make Microsoft distribute my stuff for me.

It's a free world, go ahead and write a browser with which you manage to get a marketshare against all odds due to illegal business practices.

Don't forget, Microsoft is in this mess because they committed a crime. A white collar crime is still a crime. They've been duly adjudged and found guilty. As such they are criminal organization which has to pay it's dues to the society whose rules they so long treated with total disdain.

So MS has to shut up, grin and bear it and move on.

[iamwhoiam]

It's a free world, go ahead and write a browser with which you manage to get a marketshare against all odds due to illegal business practices.

Spare me the whine and cheese. Firefox did it. Chrome is doing it. Safari for Windows is doing it. So much for "against all odds".

Opera has stated that it cannot afford to advertise and promote the browser. Not having the money to promote your product is not the fault of Microsoft.

Opera could barely sell their browser when they charged for it and can barely give it away now that it's free. That speaks volumes.

[Neoauld]

AS much as i hate opera, could be right

MS should allow vendors to offer updates via WU, for a cost

kinda like the WHQL thing i guess, where MS tests the software etc

[Fish]

I voted "no". Opera are quickly loosing what little credibilty they had left imo.

That said, a unified update system that handles all software updates including third-party, would be a fantastic addition to Windows.

[fhpuqrgrpgvirzhpujbj]

That said, a unified update system that handles all software updates including third-party, would be a fantastic addition to Windows.

+1

[+BeLGaRaTh Subscriber¹]

Just run the filehippo app, if you have any software that needs updating it will tell you and give a download link to the file. Simple :p