MW2: No Dedicated Servers, No Mods

[+Audioboxer Subscriber²]

If true, woah :|

Hard to ever verify claims like that though.

[rafaqueque]

I had this game in pre-order and already canceled it.

No mods and dedicated servers? Okay, next.

[TheLaughingMan]

I didn't pre-order like some of you, mostly just day1 stuff. I'll get it when they fix the no dedicated server thing or unless i hear the new match finder is crazzy godly.

[tempAccount2]

They are really shooting themselves in the foot, how long to you figure people who pre-ordered will start asking for their money back when they find this out, unless they are die hard fans then this may not be a problem.

[rajputwarrior]

so now no one is going to buy this game anymore on PC but everyone will pirate it so they don't miss out on the single player campaign... gg activision (Y) (Y)

[dead.cell]

If true, woah :|

Hard to ever verify claims like that though.

Indeed. I'm having a hard enough time believing it myself.

Still though, if true, it's good to see people are speaking with their dollar. Last thing we should be doing is reaching for the astroglide...

It's never too late for IW to go back on this "change" either, so if sales really do suck, they always have the option of fixing it. Though, I'm more willing to believe they'll just claim piracy did it, and stop releasing for PC.

[daiv_]

lmao,

[Pupik]

If true, this is epic pwnage by PC gamers!

If anything, IW pwnd themself. Only an idiot would think that PC gamers, want the same limited usability as console gamers.

[Tech Star]

lmao,

Legendary! :D

[protocol7]

I have a feeling the mass pre-order cancellations might be starting to hit home now.

Source

[BoredBozirini]

Indeed. I'm having a hard enough time believing it myself.

Still though, if true, it's good to see people are speaking with their dollar. Last thing we should be doing is reaching for the astroglide...

It's never too late for IW to go back on this "change" either, so if sales really do suck, they always have the option of fixing it. Though, I'm more willing to believe they'll just claim piracy did it, and stop releasing for PC.

If anyone deserves their game pirated, its Infinity Ward with MW2 now after this news came out to the light.

They'll end up blaming piracy anyways.

[Subject Delta]

Netcode hasn't changed that much. And why would physics be calculated on the server anyway?

You just need to make sure every client is in sync, everything else is done on the client. All clients do the same processing in the same way. I'm not gonna jump any higher on my machine than in yours. All that is transfered is a status snapshot, everyone syncs, game moves on. Not exactly a bandwidth hog. Like has been said before, what matters is having a low rtt.

It makes more sense. One problem with older games is that because they don't calculate it on the server, some player movements can actually be pretty erratic which can seriously spoil the general gaming experience

[Tech Star]

:laugh:

[Digitalx]

so now no one is going to buy this game anymore on PC but everyone will pirate it so they don't miss out on the single player campaign... gg activision (Y) (Y)

Yeah pretty much best way to go.

[carmatic]

I have a feeling the mass pre-order cancellations might be starting to hit home now.

Source

but isnt that Activision's decision about the servers and mods, not IW's ?

[protocol7]

but isnt that Activision's decision about the servers and mods, not IW's ?

There seems to be conflicting views on that online. In any case, fourzerotwo was the one who was given the task of breaking the news, so he's become the conduit between management and the angry CoD fanbase. But it'll come down to IW to put it back in (at a push I guess they could issue a Day 1 patch restoring at least the dedicated server).

If those figures are true and cancellations are that high then it's a significant event in the general decline of PC gaming as a whole. Poor quality ports have been angering PC gamers for long enough and this looks like it may have been the straw that broke the camel's back. A week ago, MW2 on PC was a juggernaut that couldn't be stopped. I'm sure it played some part in other titles deciding to push release dates back into Q1 2010. In the space of just a few days it's now looking like it could be dead on arrival. That's a hell of a swing. Maybe now developers and publishers will stand up and take notice and start treating PC gamers as customers again and not assuming they'll take any old crap that's dished out to them.

[shakey]

So for us pc'ers though, our top FPS this year is cod4 and l4d right? lol. I'm not purchasing l4d2 at 50 bucks again, since l4d was supposed to be a game that would keep on giving.... and cod42 was supposed to be awesomeness in a box, instead of the total opposite we have been told.

PCers need to stick up for their $. We put a lot of effort to be able to play their games into our rigs, and for them to constantly deliver crap and think we should pay up for it is just insane. There is a reason people pirate, and they have given it to us countless times.

[Ricardo Gil]

We put a lot of effort to be able to play their games into our rigs, and for them to constantly deliver crap and think we should pay up for it is just insane. There is a reason people pirate, and they have given it to us countless times.

Please... if games are crap don't play them. It's not a reason to pirate.

[Lamp0]

There is a reason people pirate, and they have given it to us countless times.

Right, You can't justify piracy like this. If you can't afford a game you save up and buy it. If you think it's not worth the money, you don't buy it or you wait for the price to drop. You either want the product or you don't want it.

[shakey]

Right, You can't justify piracy like this. If you can't afford a game you save up and buy it. If you think it's not worth the money, you don't buy it or you wait for the price to drop. You either want the product or you don't want it.

It's not about affording a game, its about the principle behind what they implement in the game. The game most likely wont be crap either, but what they have put into it, or left out, will make it less than what it should be. They know the playing field they are going into. PC'ers, just like consolers, can pirate any game really. What sales games is replay, how the company treats their customer, and what is offered. When a company does not offer what they should, people can turn somewhere else. When you know what your getting into, you can't cry fowl when you do something wrong and it doesn't go your way. There is no other way to show them what we want or mean besides pirating it. If no one buys it, they think no one wanted it. If we pirate it, they will see we wanted it, but hopefully as well see where they went wrong with the customers. Don't like it dont play it works, but I also like my rule, "I like it, but it's not worth what you want, and this guy has it for a better offer."

[BlackSteyrAug]

They just secured themselves a position in the top 50 pirated games of all time.

[DirtyLarry Veteran]

Infinity War Has Made An Official Response

Predictably, nerds across world took to the Internet with a wailing and a gnashing of teeth that would make the Left 4 Dead community proud. An online petition to bring back dedicated servers at the time of this writing stands at 100,000+ signatures. However -- and this may shock some gamers with advanced persecution complexes -- this move was not made to tweak the noses of the PC community. Infinity Ward heads Jason West and Vince Zampella explain the decision as a conscious effort to improve their game for the vast majority of their players.

"We're just prioritizing the player experience above the modders and the tuners," says West. He points toward the mounting feedback IW has received from PC fans of Modern Warfare who couldn't find a decent server to play on between all of the cheaters, the insular communities, and huge skill level disparities that the original game's community fractured into. "We thought maybe it would be cool if the fans could play the game," he laughs.

IW says that gameplay concerns for the majority of MW2 players are the overriding reasons for the decision. Zampella downplays the obvious piracy prevention angle (IW has cited numbers of people online playing illegal copies of Modern Warfare up to 60 percent). "The Steam stuff helps with the piracy. I don't know that the matchmaking stuff does," he notes. West takes a shot at the motives behind some of the outrage, noting that there's money to made by selling dedicates servers and adspace on them: "It's a little dubious. Some of the people complaining are complaining with their pocketbook."

Again and again during our conversation, West and Zampella hammer the point that hardcore PC players lose very little to this change relative to the returns that casual to moderate fans will see. Clans can set up private matches to do their training or what have you; all they lose is the ability to customize the game on a deeper level with mods and such. Infinity Ward sees the addition of solid matchmaking and community support like IW-run tournaments to the PC as a huge win, and not something that could be done under the old system.

Why not have both? West does not want to include dedicated servers alongside the custom-built backend, stating that it would just "bifurcate the community."

http://gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/200...r-response.aspx

I bolded out the parts I thought were most interesting.

[Spookie]

Infinity Ward Responds To PC Fanboys' Dedicated Server Woes

Modern Warfare fansite bashandslash.com recently reported that Infinity Ward is removing dedicated server functionality from Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2. With dedicated servers and the server browser that comes with them replaced with custom-built matchmaking, PC gamers will have an online experience functionally identical to console players. Among other things, this means that clans can't run their own servers with their own mods and rulesets for their own private (or public, if they feel like crushing some scrubs for giggles) use.

Predictably, nerds across world took to the Internet with a wailing and a gnashing of teeth that would make the Left 4 Dead community proud. An online petition to bring back dedicated servers at the time of this writing stands at 100,000+ signatures. However -- and this may shock some gamers with advanced persecution complexes -- this move was not made to tweak the noses of the PC community. Infinity Ward heads Jason West and Vince Zampella explain the decision as a conscious effort to improve their game for the vast majority of their players.

"We're just prioritizing the player experience above the modders and the tuners," says West. He points toward the mounting feedback IW has received from PC fans of Modern Warfare who couldn't find a decent server to play on between all of the cheaters, the insular communities, and huge skill level disparities that the original game's community fractured into. "We thought maybe it would be cool if the fans could play the game," he laughs.

IW says that gameplay concerns for the majority of MW2 players are the overriding reasons for the decision. Zampella downplays the obvious piracy prevention angle (IW has cited numbers of people online playing illegal copies of Modern Warfare up to 60 percent). "The Steam stuff helps with the piracy. I don't know that the matchmaking stuff does," he notes. West takes a shot at the motives behind some of the outrage, noting that there's money to made by selling dedicates servers and adspace on them: "It's a little dubious. Some of the people complaining are complaining with their pocketbook."

Again and again during our conversation, West and Zampella hammer the point that hardcore PC players lose very little to this change relative to the returns that casual to moderate fans will see. Clans can set up private matches to do their training or what have you; all they lose is the ability to customize the game on a deeper level with mods and such. Infinity Ward sees the addition of solid matchmaking and community support like IW-run tournaments to the PC as a huge win, and not something that could be done under the old system.

Why not have both? West does not want to include dedicated servers alongside the custom-built backend, stating that it would just "bifurcate the community."

"PC Fanboys"?

"Predictably, nerds across world took to the Internet with a wailing and a gnashing of teeth that would make the Left 4 Dead community proud. An online petition to bring back dedicated servers at the time of this writing stands at 100,000+ signatures. However -- and this may shock some gamers with advanced persecution complexes -- this move was not made to tweak the noses of the PC community."

What a ****ing tosser. Adam, I hope you never get a job else where.

Edit: forgot the link - http://bit.ly/48mD3N

Edited October 20, 2009 by Spookie

[shakey]

so lets dumb it down for the downs syndrome kids to play.... why do we always have to dumb stuff down to get a larger user base.... why can't we set the bar a little higher, and have people actually show some intelligence in something they do, no matter how mundane or useless it really is.

[+SOOPRcow MVC]

Wow, I think there statement actually makes me hate them for this even more.