GIMP dropped from default Ubuntu 10.04 Lucid Lynx installation

[Growled Member]

Krita and xara xtreme.

Just my opinion, but I don't find either of these to be a "good image editor."

[CelticWhisper]

Urgh ?.?

Blender=3D

Gimp=2D

And besides, I used blender, you get used to it.

Oh, I know. Same goes for Cinema4D. Avid is for video, Reason for audio, etc. I'm just saying that there are more initially-intimidating interfaces out there than GIMP's.

THIS is what's holding Linux back. The attitude problem portrayed by an unfortunately large number of its users when anyone with no Linux experience attempts to use it. God help you if you should dare try asking for help on some of the Linux forums...

Agreed. There are times when I'd like to register "www.justgivemetheanswers.com" and make it into a Linux help site that's actually helpful. I get some users' desire to help people help themselves, but there's a scale that goes from "give everyone every answer all the time" and "throw them to the sharks without a word." The proper response, if you want to enable people to help themselves, lies somewhere in the middle. The proper response if you want to be helpful is either that or, yes, giving everyone every answer all the time.

I do have to credit the Ubuntu Forums, though. Their "Absolute Beginner Help" section is policed by mods for the "RTFMs" and "JFGIs" and it's stated clearly that such attitudes are bannable offenses. We need more distro-specific forums to follow suit, and the general Linux forums as well.

[markwolfe Veteran]

^^^ The Linux forums here are generally very good, too. Even if I must say so myself (as a biased contributer to that area) ;)

[FloatingFatMan]

My usual technique for helping people is to show them where the information they are looking for can be found. That way, they get a very useful resource, they get the information they want, and I don't spend ages actually typing out the info they're after. :p

[OOOOOOOO]

"it?s an application for professionals"

No intention of starting a war here between potential fan boys, but -- I'm kind of laughing my ass off.

Why would a professional use GIMP when there's Photoshop ? After all it isn't very professional using a free software, oh yeah - that's just my opinion, hope that gives me the 50% Flame Resistance I so desperately need.

Oh, and I've never used GIMP, used Paint and Paint.NET.

I don't think it's worth laughing at, as The Gimp is insanely powerful .... but you're right about one thing. I am a professional working designer and I would never use The Gimp over Photoshop. I use and will always use Photoshop. It's the best professional image editing application out there. That said, I wouldn't laugh at a professional who earned a very low income working with The Gimp. It's fantastic.

[null_]

I'm glad to see that Ubuntu won't be offering The GIMP has part of the default installation. While it may be insanely powerful to some, it takes a rocket scientest to work with and navigate the convulted user interface, not to mention that overall Adobe Photoshop and other editors produce better results.

[markwolfe Veteran]

I'm glad to see that Ubuntu won't be offering The GIMP has part of the default installation. While it may be insanely powerful to some, it takes a rocket scientest to work with and navigate the convulted user interface, not to mention that overall Adobe Photoshop and other editors produce better results.

For most controls, I have been able to use Photoshop guides to perform the same tasks in GIMP.

If you don't like the menus, the names, or the icons, please just say so, and let that be your big gripe.

I think the only real shortcoming to GIMP is the lack of native CYMK support, and that item is what is often a deal-breaker for professionals who set up output for 4-color print shops.

[Shadrack]

I really don't like it but don't know of any other good decent linux image editors so I use it. Anyone know a good image editor similar to the Great Paint.NET on windows?

+2

[Doli]

Just like all the other programs out there you have to take time and learn to be effective with the program. GIMP is not hard to use. The same for Blender. I played around with Maya Personal Learning Edition when I heard of Blender. First impression was "uggg why would they make my mouse click to that" but after taking the time to learn how to use it I am fine.

[Shadrack]

For most controls, I have been able to use Photoshop guides to perform the same tasks in GIMP.

If you don't like the menus, the names, or the icons, please just say so, and let that be your big gripe.

I think the only real shortcoming to GIMP is the lack of native CYMK support, and that item is what is often a deal-breaker for professionals who set up output for 4-color print shops.

if a professional can output 1.01x more with photoshop than they can with GIMP (even if it is simply because it looks awful and has an awkward ui) then it is worth the licensing fee (for windows+Photoshop).

[ichi]

even if it is simply because it looks awful and has an awkward ui

What does look awful, exactly?

I understand that some people might have problems with the non MDI interface (more so in Windows, where windows interaction is limited to move, resize, minimize and maximize), but other than that what's the issue?

[Kirkburn]

if a professional can output 1.01x more with photoshop than they can with GIMP (even if it is simply because it looks awful and has an awkward ui) then it is worth the licensing fee (for windows+Photoshop).

That's a big generalisation, given how much Photoshop costs. Really with just 1% more?

[Shadrack]

That's a big generalisation, given how much Photoshop costs. Really with just 1% more?

someone starting in the industry will make AT LEAST 30k a year. A decent computer is about 1k and a license for adobe suite is about 1k (I'm not sure what just Photoshop costs) and (IMHO) is good for about 3-4 years worth of graphic design. Yes I'm generalizing, but you have to consider the other costs involved and weigh them against the difference between gimp and photoshop. If your employee feels more confident in Photoshop than they will be more productive in photoshop. If that is the case you bet it is worth it.

Are you going to buy a machinest the cheapest mill out there, or the one that gets you the

most output from their skills? I mean, why are you hiring them anyway?

[Growled Member]

I think some of the problem is peer pressure and some of it is what you're familiar with. Most graphic forums I've visited will practically laugh anyone off the forum if they are not using Photoshop. When someone does post something great made with the Gimp everyone is shocked, like no way can Gimp do that.

Another problem is that most people are more familiar with Photoshop. It's what they started on and they know how to use every tool. The Gimp is an unknown and few graphics people have the time nor the energy to learn a new piece of software.

The Gimp is extremely powerful but I still like Photoshop better. It overall has a better toolset and a better workflow. Until the Gimp gets Adjustment Layers and you can easily use PS plugins, most people will continue to use what they know.