F1 World Championship 2010 Thread

[what]

What an idiotic rule. The safety car had gone in, the race had been restarted for the final straight. Schumacher used his experience and took his chance, and caught Alonso off guard. If they can't overtake the safety car should never have gone in, and they should have finished behind it. Any rule that says you can't overtake when there are no reds or yellows or a safety car goes against the point in motorsport. The track had been cleared by that point so there was absolutely no threat.

[simonlang]

Excellent race from Alonso, great show. Started last from pit out of 24 cars and finished 6th, not even MSC has beaten that in his years in a circuit such as Monaco.

he actually has, im afraid. in 2006 schuey started dead last and finished an excellent 5th. in a normal race.

today alonsos 6th place was served him on a silver plate which is nothing new but still....

mercedes has decided to appeal agains the decision. i hope they win. schumachers pass on slowlonso was excellent and he should be allowed to keep the points.

[Nicholas-c Veteran]

Good race (Y) Alot of fires on the cars? :s Rubens was pee'd though! Won't he get fined for not re-attaching the steering wheel? Pretty sure there is a rule somewhere stating that you have to re-attach the steering wheel after exiting the car.

[Buio]

Rules apply to everyone, even for an old timer like MSC...

The rules does not say what punished should be given though. I'd say that 1 place demote would be appropriate considering green flags being waved and the rule being fairly confusing (and it was changed this year). Twenty seconds penalty is way to much, seeing how previous races have had several strange things gone by without punishment (sometimes just a warning instead).

Edit: By the way, is it possible to remove the vote from this thread? It is overly long and shown every page in a thread that discusses the championship.

[Antaris Veteran]

today alonsos 6th place was served him on a silver plate which is nothing new but still....

Much like last weekends result ;)

The rules does not say what punished should be given though. I'd say that 1 place demote would be appropriate considering green flags being waved and the rule being fairly confusing (and it was changed this year). Twenty seconds penalty is way to much, seeing how previous races have had several strange things gone by without punishment (sometimes just a warning instead).

Hmm, Damon Hill is one of the stewards ;)

[Buio]

Great result for Renault and Kubica even if he lost 2nd place in the start. Must say that I'm impressed by his speed in the Renault. He is now at the same point in the championship as Hamilton and not that far after the top either. To bad Petrov i struggling, hope he gets it together soon. Wonder how much patience Renault has with him.

[Mike]

Good race (Y) Alot of fires on the cars? :s Rubens was pee'd though! Won't he get fined for not re-attaching the steering wheel? Pretty sure there is a rule somewhere stating that you have to re-attach the steering wheel after exiting the car.

To be fair, his steering wheel did get run over...

[Antaris Veteran]

Great result for Renault and Kubica even if he lost 2nd place in the start. Must say that I'm impressed by his speed in the Renault. He is now at the same point in the championship as Hamilton and not that far after the top either. To bad Petrov i struggling, hope he gets it together soon. Wonder how much patience Renault has with him.

Kubica knows that track well, he knew all the best places to push and all the best places to take it easy, a great drive. I was hazard a guess and say that if it wasn't for Webber's unrelenting pace the last two races, Kubica could have walked away with Monaco

[Lovell]

40.13 If the race ends whilst the safety car is deployed it will enter the pit lane at the end of the last lap and the cars will take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking.

To be fair it's not as if the FIA just made this rule up to help Alonso.

[Antaris Veteran]

To be fair, his steering wheel did get run over...

Lol, but he did launch it into the path of oncoming traffic ;)

[Mike]

40.13 If the race ends whilst the safety car is deployed it will enter the pit lane at the end of the last lap and the cars will take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking.

To be fair it's not as if the FIA just made this rule up to help Alonso.

Except the safety car was brought in to end the safety car period - track was declared clear (aka get racing) so that rule doesn't come into it.

[Lovell]

Except the safety car was brought in to end the safety car period - track was declared clear (aka get racing) so that rule doesn't come into it.

Well the safety car is usually brought in at the end of race but it's still under safety car conditions, but then the flags were green, this is where the controversy comes in.

[Nicholas-c Veteran]

Barrichello just tweeted this...

I throw the steering cause wanted to get out as soon as possible.After the shunt I was facing the wrong side of the track andcar was on fire

Fair enough really xD

[Mike]

No the safety car was brought in because it was the end of the race and the safety car enters the pit lanes rather than crossing the finish line.

If that was the case then there would be no "track clear" message or green flags waved, and seeing as both those things happened - the race was back on.

[what]

Barrichello just tweeted this...

Fair enough really xD

Yeah. The way he did it though you wouldn't have thought they cost ?30,000 each :p

[Buio]

Barrichello just tweeted this...

Found this which shows it just at the end (will probably get taken down, FIA have youtube guard dogs)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR9aMN-73Gk

[simonlang]

i saw green lights and green flags when ms passed slowlonso. so did ross brawn. im so sure if they appeal they ll win it and ms gets his 6th place back.

[philcruicks]

i saw green lights and green flags when ms passed slowlonso. so did ross brawn. im so sure if they appeal they ll win it and ms gets his 6th place back.

says the man with mclaren as his name and a Ferrari avatar lol. should av a Mercedes avatar with that view lol.

I agree tho, safety car line was passed, green flags and lights, no marshals/cars/debris or safety car on track, and a clear message to all team computers than safety car is in this lap and track is clear...

[Lechio]

he actually has, im afraid. in 2006 schuey started dead last and finished an excellent 5th. in a normal race.

today alonsos 6th place was served him on a silver plate which is nothing new but still....

Today's F1 has 24 cars, back then, if I'm not mistaken, it had 20 cars. Not trying to devalue MSC achievements but Alonso did better today. Don't see where the silver plater was in this race.

[deuz]

i loved the first 10 or so laps when di grassi was holding out on alonso.....:D :D... too bad he couldnt hold out longer..

[Nicholas-c Veteran]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/83684

There you have it.

[enigma-penguin Veteran]

Saw that coming really, but there you have it. They did have green flags out and listed the track as clear though, you could see the green flags out clearly in the shots from MSC's car too. So it is a little unfair, but then again would Hill stand up for MSC as a driver rep :p who knows.

They are appealing too;

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/83686

[simonlang]

says the man with mclaren as his name and a Ferrari avatar lol. should av a Mercedes avatar with that view lol.

I agree tho, safety car line was passed, green flags and lights, no marshals/cars/debris or safety car on track, and a clear message to all team computers than safety car is in this lap and track is clear...

not at all. first and foremost im simply a f1 and race fan and love on-track action and overtakings.

then, im a ferrari fan and fan of felipe massa. i cant stand slowlonso and find it an utter disgrace that he paid his way into ferrari with cheap santander money. he is a form of a modern prostitute. a ######. simply as that.

and lets not fortget his antics and cheatings, 2007 at mclaren spy-gate and even worse, 2008 in singapore crashgate, stealing away felipe massas lead and win and therefore world championship. i will never forget that nor the fact that he got away with it.

i hope ferrari wins the world constructors championship and felipe massa the world driver championship.

my username mclaren2 goes back to 2003, where i registered here and where a certain kimi raikkonen was driving for mclaren. lol. thats all behind it. back then, i couldnt stand ferrari at all. :rolleyes:

Today's F1 has 24 cars, back then, if I'm not mistaken, it had 20 cars. Not trying to devalue MSC achievements but Alonso did better today. Don't see where the silver plater was in this race.

maybe because all slowlonso did was overtaking the hrts, virgins and lotus, cars which are some 6 seconds a lap slower. totally helped and supported by 2 safetycars, making his early pitstop basically a non-pitstop at all and helping him closing the gap to the field.

remember webber had some 45 seconds advantage over slowlonso when the safetycar was announced, reducing the gap to 10 seconds or less.

if it would have been like 2006, slowlonso would have been lapped once or twice. schuey back then was faster and overtook faster cars, his teammate felipe massa as well.

[Billus]

Michael Schumacher was the bomb back in the days, a truly gifted driver and still is, look where he is now (putting aside technical issues, accidents not caused by him etc), he certainly has pulled his weight and if your honest with yourself, you have to give him credit for that even if you don't like the guy. Webber is the man though and if Massa tries to budge his way into Red Bull, he'll lose my respect. He doesn't seem to be a pushy type though. I'd love to see Mark Webber become world champion this year, he's probably one of the most likable characters on the grid.

[simonlang]

what about todays qualifying? im glad to see hamilton and mclaren getting closer to redbull, but im shocked by ferraris lack of pace and even more so by fernando alonsos continous mistakes. no weekend passes without a real blunder from his side. makes me wonder how long it will take ferrari to pull the plug and hire someone more capable.

massa did what was possible with the car, not more not less. and, oh well, it looks like good old schuey is getting back on form :)