F1 World Championship 2010 Thread

[Antaris Veteran]

Ferrari was advised to let Kubica through

Ferrari was told three times that Fernando Alonso should have let Robert Kubica through during the British Grand Prix, according to the FIA race director Charlie Whiting.

Alonso was given a drive-through at Silverstone after overtaking Renault's Kubica by going off track.

The penalty, which Ferrari felt was too harsh, ruined Alonso's chances of a good result, the Spaniard finishing down in 14th position.

Although the penalty was given nine laps after Alonso passed Kubica, Whiting said Ferrari was advised to let Kubica through immediately, but that the team decided against it.

Source: Autosport

[enigma-penguin Veteran]

Yeah being told three times and ignoring it because you don't feel like it (he hadn't retired by the first time they told them I'm sure) is deserving of the penalty he got, but the team may have told him he didn't need to and in that case fault lies with them.

[ahmz]

It was the team's fault.

[Subject Delta]

In that case then, I agree the team must take a large portion of the blame. Just the usual arrogance of Ferrari, thinking they should be allowed to bend the rules. This is the first season in living history where I can recall myself being 10 races in and having agreed with every penalty that has been handed out. The penalty may have hit Alonso harder than Hamilton's hit him, but rules are rules, and sometimes you just get a bad rub of the green.

[san.W10]

Villeneuve lodges entry as team owner

Jacques Villeneuve is hoping to return to Formula 1 as a team owner next season.

The 1997 world champion is believed to have submitted an application for the 13th place on the grid, under the Villeneuve Racing name.

German magazine Auto Motor und Sport, which first reported the story, suggested that former Renault team bosses Flavio Briatore and Pat Symonds were involved with the project. There have also been suggestions of a partnership with ex-GP2 team Durango, which announced its F1 ambitions earlier this year.

Villeneuve admitted that he was working on an F1 project, but would not comment on specifics.

"I've never made it a secret that I'm looking at a future F1 programme, and have been working hard on that for the past 12 months," he said in a statement. "However, I have no further comment at this time."

The Canadian's manager Rick Gorne confirmed to BBC Sport that efforts were underway to get Villeneuve back into F1.

"There is an element of truth in the rumours," Gorne said. "F1 is a possibility - he does have the intention to get back. It's a project we're working on."

Villeneuve left F1 halfway through 2006, when he split with the BMW Sauber team. He pursued opportunities to get back on the grid with the arrival of the new teams for this season, and would have raced for Serbian outfit Stefan GP had it gained an entry. He is currently making occasional NASCAR appearances and will try to qualify for the Brickyard 400 at Indianapolis next weekend.

http://www.autosport.com/news/grapevine.php/id/85328

[enigma-penguin Veteran]

Yeah I read this on the BBC a few days ago, though I admit it'd be cool to see and owner.driver again, if Flavio Briatore is involved Bernie will grow wings and fly first.

[san.W10]

Vettel pips Alonso to German GP pole

Sebastian Vettel claimed pole for his home grand prix at Hockenheim - and denied Fernando Alonso a first Ferrari pole by just 0.002 seconds.

Felipe Massa emphasised Ferrari's improvement with third place, while Silverstone winner Mark Webber was fourth in the second Red Bull, ahead of the two McLarens. Michael Schumacher failed to reach Q3 in his home race.

Alonso had looked favourite for pole as he topped both Q1 and Q2 then led the way early in Q3, although Vettel was just 0.034s behind.

On the final runs Vettel found a further couple of tenths and got down to 1m13.791s, deposing the Ferrari. Alonso still looked set to beat it and reclaim pole with his last lap, but fell short by a tiny margin in the last sector - although the result still gives him his first front row start for Ferrari.

Massa was half a second back in third, with Webber having to settle for fourth having run wide on his final flying lap.

Jenson Button unusually outqualified Lewis Hamilton as the McLarens claimed the row three spots, ahead of Renault's Robert Kubica.

Williams will be delighted to get both cars into Q3. Rubens Barrichello claimed eighth, two places ahead of team-mate Nico Hulkenberg, and with Nico Rosberg's Mercedes splitting them.

Germany's hero Schumacher suffered the agony of another Q2 exit on home ground. Both Mercedes were struggling to get into the top 10, but slipped through into ninth and 10th with their last Q2 laps, which saw Rosberg ahead of Schumacher by just 0.008s. That was not enough for Schumacher though, as Hulkenberg - ironically the latest protege of the Willi Weber management stable that steered Schumacher's career - jumped to ninth and pushed the seven-time champion back to 11th.

Sauber's Kamui Kobayashi also only narrowly missed out, as he held a top 10 place for most of Q2 before a mistake on his last lap meant he was shuffled back to 12th, still only 0.066s from the top ten.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/85488

That was a close P1 P2 :D

Ferrari finally back, now add RBR's race blunders, i think Alonso could score his second win tomorrow. :D

& MGP have got stop talking now.

all talks, no results :/

[ahmz]

So close... hope Alonso wins tomorrow.

[Nicholas-c Veteran]

So close... hope Alonso wins tomorrow.

I think it's about time Massa had a win tbh...

[+Frank B. Subscriber²]

I think it's about time Massa had a win tbh...

Have you seen how many off-track excursions Massa had today?

Alonso can and will win the race tomorrow, ahead of Massa and the McLarens - the RBRs won't make it.

[MightyJordan]

Well, to quote someone on Twitter: Oh for F**K'S SAKE. A better code would have been "Let the moaning little c***bag go past"

I really hope Alonso crashes out now and Massa wins, because he's the one that deserves it today.

Team orders are expressly forbidden and the FIA will surely have to penali... Oh no wait, it's Ferrari.

[Lovell]

The FIA have started going against Ferrari quite a lot so hopefully Alonso is punished, I want to see the podium at the end and see if Alonso believes he actually deserved 1st. poor Massa it took him a while to get back to his old self and when he finally does he gets 1st and then gets screwed by Ferrari. :no:

[simonlang]

what a SCANDAL!!!! last time ive seen something like that was in austria 2002.

this HAS to be penalized. today alonso has again proven he is the worst f1 driver ever. no class, whining arround on the pitradio, not able to do proper starts or overtakings.

i hope his engine goes boooom before race ends.

i wonder how someone can be fan of this weak character. :angry:

today massa was the man of the race. best start (again) and led the race and was going to win comfortably.

[acnpt]

Massa should knock Alonso the **** out :laugh: jk

Or at least in the press conference somebody will ask Alonso if he feels he earned that win(which he will believe)

I guess it would depend on what constitutes a team order, hopefully the FIA uses some common sense and penalises them.

Nice to see Ferrari beat red bull, and a great drive by Hamilton again.

[ahmz]

Good win for Ferrari, happy to see them back... but Massa should have won it, that was pathetic, rubbish.

[Richard Hammond]

That was disgusting and was a BLATENT team order no matter how you look at it, Massa deserved that win i hope Ferrari get smacked down for this blatent disregard for rules.

Just watching press conference, Alonso "i dont know what happened, i just saw felippe go slow", bull****. Haha Felippe being VERY cagey.

[Lovell]

Will be interesting to see how Jean Todt (ex Ferrari team principal & current FIA president) handles this :whistle:

[Crompee]

Massa is refusing to say he made a mistake, just that he got passed and it was good for the team lol.

Blatently team-orders, if the FIA follows the rules.. Ferrari should be punished.

[idioot]

Blatently team-orders, if the FIA follows the rules.. Ferrari should be punished.

probably not though...

[simonlang]

alonso should get DQ, ferrari should lose all wcc points and get a heavy money fine.

[Richard Hammond]

lol at Rob Smedley trying to downplay it, i hate blatent lies.

[WelshBluebird]

To be fair, its not his choice. He just has to grin and bare it.

But yeah, I hope Ferrari get punished.

[i11usive]

Radio broadcast from Smedley to Massa - "Fernando is faster than YOU! Can you confirm you have understood that message?"

WTF - it isn't even coded - "just let the ignorant, whinging Spanish **** through!" Then Smedley apologises to Massa on the next radio broadcast. This is going to be interesting to see what the FIA does about this -- they have always seemed to favour Ferrari in the past.

[enigma-penguin Veteran]

It's a sad part of my day, when the talking point of a race is something like this. Team orders were banned when they started getting in the way of good racing and we see it here again today.

- Massa is ahead

- Massa gets put on fuel saving and starts losing a half second a lap

- Alonso gains back track position

- Massa is given the message and told sorry

- The "pass" at the hairpin

- "Sorry", being told he's "magnanimous" and Alonso being told "he's fine.."

Honestly the press conference was so very telling and massa told the whole story without saying a thing. It's deserving of a DQ in my opinion and possibly a race ban.

Then we have the front wing row.

The new RBR wing is moving, check out the new design:

(taken from my digital tuner)

Courtesy of mike

As you can see the wing is forming up a few degrees less at high speed allowing for less downforce and coming back in for low speed corners.

After all is said and done we could end up with a mclaren 1-2.

[simonlang]

the funny thing is that just before this race there was a little rule change concerning pitradio transmissions on tv. before this race only selected teamradio excerpts were sent on tv, now everything has to be sent on tv - teams cant hold it back.

i wonder what ferrari thought today. :unsure: