F1 World Championship 2010 Thread

[Richard Hammond]

Every driver would have done what Massa did, it was a team order.

Of course it he would he doesnt want to risk his contract, doesnt mean that its right.....

[i11usive]

The other thing is, and I don't suppose it matters much, is that today is the anniversary (nearly to the day) of Massa's near-fatal crash. He should've taken the win as a token to his comeback.... I know this is business - but Massa is synonymous with the sport...and I do really think he should never have been told to swap track position, but to continue and show the world, that one year on, he's still in the game. Ferrari cocked this one up .... big time! If they only get a $100k fine, that's a travesty! $100k is a drop in the ocean in comparison to the rest of the money involved.

Ferrari and the FIA should think very seriously about their actions!

[Pikey]

No surprise to me .. it's a corrupt sport that I stopped watching years ago.

[SLeeM@N]

No surprise to me .. it's a corrupt sport that I stopped watching years ago.

yep I agree with you and I stopped watching it as well long time ago. It used to be good in the past...

[StealMySoda]

Personally, I really wanted to see Ferrari get back in to the title race.

During the early parts of the race when Alonso was a lot quicker, I was URGING Massa to move aside.

BUT, when I hear Ferrari over the radio, more of less issuing the orders, it made me feel sick.

I've supported Ferrari ever since I started watching F1, but even I thought they deserved more of a punishment today.

[Nicholas-c Veteran]

My dear god the media let loose...

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2010/7/11072.html

Q: Then Fernando got past you. Was that your decision to let him past?

FM: Yeah, definitely.

Q: Yes, definitely?

FM: (No verbal answer)

Q: (Ian Gordon - News of the World) Team orders are banned in Formula One. They were banned in 2002, that was blatant team orders.

FA: Sure.

Q: (Byron Young - The Daily Mirror) The reality is, though, that you couldn't beat him on the track, so you had to get the team to do it for you.

FA: If that's your opinion.

Q: (Byron Young - The Daily Mirror) I'm asking you, is that not your opinion?

FA: No.

Q: (Byron Young - The Daily Mirror) He had to give you this win, didn't he, Fernando?

FA: No.

Q: (Ian Parkes - The Press Association) Fernando, you've said that you're happy with this win but to be honest, I've never seen a driver look less happy in the middle of a podium there today, and in the middle of this press conference here. Why can't you just be honest with us for once, and just admit that this win was handed to you on a plate today?

SV: Can I go?

Alot of well deserved anger aimed at lolonso.

[ViZioN]

Shame for Massa. Team orders denied him a victory he deserved. I'm a bit surprised the stewards let the result stand. To fine them $100k they obviously believe they did something pretty badly wrong but they're allowed to keep the victory?

[Lovell]

Q: (Ian Gordon - News of the World) Fernando, you said after Valencia that the race had been manipulated in favour of Lewis. Those words seem a bit hollow now. Where will this victory rank in your career, is it up there with Singapore 2008?

FA: I think you have a very strong result from Ferrari today, one and two, a very strong performance all weekend and if the final thought of the weekend is your question it's because maybe you didn't see the whole practice, qualifying and the race, so maybe it's too early for you that Ferrari came back so strong.

:laugh:

[ViZioN]

:laugh:

Wow what a load of tosh :laugh:

[Subject Delta]

The way the press tore into Ferrari was full of awesomeness :D

[enigma-penguin Veteran]

WMSC Will more than likely take this further and make things harder for ferrari, possible race exclusions may apply. I know it's well outside the stewards realm to deal with but $100,000 just wasn't enough.

I feel bad for Massa because he's going to cop it too, but it needs to be stamped out.

[Mike]

For those going on about the fine, from what I've read, $100k is the maximum the stewards can fine so in terms of race day penalties it's one of the worst. Not to mention the WMSC are also involved who can actually dish out proper punishments.

[MightyJordan]

For those going on about the fine, from what I've read, $100k is the maximum the stewards can fine so in terms of race day penalties it's one of the worst. Not to mention the WMSC are also involved who can actually dish out proper punishments.

Yeah, the WMSC can severely punish Ferrari, but don't forget who is the president of the WMSC (and the FIA): Jean Todt, who before taking this role was team principal of Ferrari from 1993 - 2007, and then became CEO of Ferrari from 2008 - 2009, so don't get your hopes up on Ferrari being punished any further.

[KiHu]

Personally, I really wanted to see Ferrari get back in to the title race.

During the early parts of the race when Alonso was a lot quicker, I was URGING Massa to move aside.

BUT, when I hear Ferrari over the radio, more of less issuing the orders, it made me feel sick.

I've supported Ferrari ever since I started watching F1, but even I thought they deserved more of a punishment today.

From what I saw Massa was keeping his distance from Alonso until he got pushed into fuel saving mode.

[Richard Hammond]

As for Jean Todt, if anything i would have thought he would have to be more strict with Ferrari, if nothing happens then its going to bring the WMSC into disrepute as well.

[Antaris Veteran]

Well, we wont find out until the WMSC have finished reviewing the case, whenever that is...

[+Frank B. Subscriber²]

Ferrari need a lesson in subtlety. :rollseyes:

What would be interesting to know is what Alonso said over the team radio before the place swap apart from 'This is ridiculous.' - I think a lot of complaining and whinging was involved.

That being said I don't see the WMSC punish them overly harsh. The current FIA president is Jean Todt after all.

[StealMySoda]

That's the thing. Like...I think Martin Brundle said. It would have made much more sense to do it earlier on in the race. BUT when they did it, they were matching each other for pace.

[Antaris Veteran]

F1 fury as Ferrari 'fix' German Grand Prix for Fernando Alonso to win ahead of Felipe Massa

Ferrari could be banned from Formula One after fixing Sunday's German Grand Prix for Spanish driver Fernando Alonso to win.

The Italian team were found guilty by race stewards of 'bringing the sport into disrepute' for ordering their other driver, Brazil's Felipe Massa, to relinquish the lead to his team-mate.

They were fined ?65,000 and more significantly summoned before the FIA's World Motor Sport Council. That hearing is expected to be held in Paris next month, when the range of options open to the Council extends to expelling Ferrari from the world championship.

Source: The Daily Mail

Not sure about the whole "banned" part, but I the hearing could be in Paris next month...

[ahmz]

They won't be banned. Renault wasn't banned for a more serious offence of race fixing and neither were Mclaren for spying. I think the most that could happen is that they could be stripped of their Constructors points, but I don't think that will happen either.

[Kerm]

I believe they should reverse the driver results, put Massa back on top where he belonged and learn from this.

Racing is racing, the driver should be out to win. This incident was just so disappointing for everyone involved.

[KiHu]

They won't be banned. Renault wasn't banned for a more serious offence of race fixing and neither were Mclaren for spying. I think the most that could happen is that they could be stripped of their Constructors points, but I don't think that will happen either.

Alonso was involved in both those things.

Hope he gets severely punished.

[acnpt]

Why should Massa be given first place?

He was the one who acted on the 'team order'.

Let's not get emotional about this, just because Alonso is a dick.

Both drivers should be punished.

[Kerm]

Because Massa was deservedly leading the race, fair and square and he was forced to let Alonso pass. If he didn't he would of been reprimanded by Ferrari. He didn't really have a choice.

[Crompee]

I'd be happy if they both got a 10 or 25second penalty. Although it was Alonso who gained from it, you cant punish him and ignore massa's part in it.. He acted on team-orders as well.

A 10second penalty for Massa and Alonso would put the race like this:

Vettel

Alonso

Massa

Hamilton

and the Championship like this:

Hamilton: 157

Vettel: 146

Button: 143

Webber: 136

Alonso: 116

and although i want Hamilton or Button to win, i'd just be happy that Ferrari didnt get a #1 finish from that race.

A 25 second penalty for Massa and Alonso would mean the race finishes like this:

Vettel

Alonso

Hamilton

Massa

Button

and the championship like this:

Hamilton: 160

Vettel: 146

Button: 143

Webber: 136

Alonso: 116

Looking at it, It seems any time penalty or even full disqualification is actually bad for Hamilton or Button, as Alonso/Massa was stopping Vettel from picking up full points.

I cant really see anything other than a 10/25 sec penalty or just full disqualification from that race as a punishment. They wont kick Ferrari out of the championship or give them a race penalty (banning Ferrari from a race is bad for F1, as alot of fans come to support Ferrari and banning a major team from participating is bad for advertising, fans, and racing).