Opera 10.50 RC for Windows Released

[elantheros]

I wasn't an Opera fan before, but now with that development rate and direction it tops every other browser out there.

I'm not sure if breakneck development speed is really something to be happy over.

Chrome may keep adding new features every few weeks or days, but that only applies to the beta and dev channels, and the code is often thoroughly tested before being released as stable. But Opera? Pre-alpha to release quality in 3 months? Orly?

For some reason it makes me a tad uneasy. Not necessarily saying that they won't pull it off with aplomb, but still...

[villiansv]

Too bad Opera doesn't have Reload tab option when right-clicking on a tab :(

What does Create follower tab do when right-clicking on a tab? I don't get it :D

When you create a follower tab, any link you click in the original tab opens in the follower tab, even those that would originally open in the same tab.

[Pallab]

I'm not sure if breakneck development speed is really something to be happy over.

Chrome may keep adding new features every few weeks or days, but that only applies to the beta and dev channels, and the code is often thoroughly tested before being released as stable. But Opera? Pre-alpha to release quality in 3 months? Orly?

For some reason it makes me a tad uneasy. Not necessarily saying that they won't pull it off with aplomb, but still...

I am quite certain that this is just an exception (due to EU ballot screen) and Opera will go back to the usual trend of thoroughly testing each build from the next version.

When you create a follower tab, any link you click in the original tab opens in the follower tab, even those that would originally open in the same tab.

That and also the tab inherits properties such as Zoom level from the parent tab.

[PreKe]

some sites still render without rounded corners

That's because the sites are using vendor/browser-specific CSS to do it. They need to remove the browser-specific prefix.

Too bad Opera doesn't have Reload tab option when right-clicking on a tab :(

Why not just click the Reload icon? Or you can right-click on the page itself.

I'm not sure if breakneck development speed is really something to be happy over.

Chrome may keep adding new features every few weeks or days, but that only applies to the beta and dev channels, and the code is often thoroughly tested before being released as stable. But Opera? Pre-alpha to release quality in 3 months? Orly?

Excuse me, but have you seen the massive progress since the pre-alpha? Yes, the breakneck development speed is indeed something to be happy about. It's not just development, but it's stabilized increadibly quickly. They are clearly testing stuff properly, and whatever's left is quickly picked out when testing snapshots, and fixed shortly after.

[thealexweb]

I think should concentrate of a polishing Opera 10.5 rather than trying to take even more advantage of EU's generosity.

[Tom]

YAY

[PreKe]

I think should concentrate of a polishing Opera 10.5 rather than trying to take even more advantage of EU's generosity.

What do you think they are doing right now? They have uploaded builds with hundreds of fixes and polishing just these last few days. I find it odd that someone complains about polish when that's all they have been doing since the pre-alpha.

[Mamoun]

Excuse me, but have you seen the massive progress since the pre-alpha? Yes, the breakneck development speed is indeed something to be happy about. It's not just development, but it's stabilized increadibly quickly. They are clearly testing stuff properly, and whatever's left is quickly picked out when testing snapshots, and fixed shortly after.

Yep, that's what I meant, I also appreciate this speedy (and quality) development because it's not something you see a lot in a browser (take a look at how long does it take IE or Firefox developers to release a new stable version for example).

Speed of development doesn't have to be inversely proportional to polish of release IMO, especially in this crazy browsers wars.

[thealexweb]

What do you think they are doing right now? They have uploaded builds with hundreds of fixes and polishing just these last few days. I find it odd that someone complains about polish when that's all they have been doing since the pre-alpha.

Maybe it's because I've got used to the slightly longer development time of Firefox versions. I tried the first Beta of 10.5 and noticed a few weird things ,maybe it's better now, I'll install it this RC.

[x-byte]

Maybe it's because I've got used to the slightly longer development time of Firefox versions. I tried the first Beta of 10.5 and noticed a few weird things ,maybe it's better now, I'll install it this RC.

Opera usually have much longer development cycles as well. The bailout screen have change that for 10.5. After the coming week the cycle will probably go down a bit. They will also focus on the Mac and Linux versions.

[SoyoS]

Opera lost me as a customer ever since they cried like little girls and complained to the EU that there browser wasn't popular enough. Before that I considered using it but now its only Firefox, Chrome and IE9 (when its released) for me.

In addition there just seems to be way too many bugs, almost every post is someone saying bug# still exists.

[x-byte]

Yea, that's why they did it :laugh:

PS: Mozilla did it too.

[PreKe]

Opera lost me as a customer ever since they cried like little girls and complained to the EU that there browser wasn't popular enough.

Did Google lose you as a "customer" when they filed an antitrust complaint against Microsoft?

Did Microsoft lose you as a customer when they filed an antitrust complaint against Google?

Did Mozilla lose you as a "customer" when they joined the antitrust complaint against Microsoft in the EU?

Did Google lose you as a "customer" when they joined the antitrust complaint against Microsoft in the EU?

Are you consistent, or is it just another knee-jerk reaction based on lack of knowledge of the subject matter?

Before that I considered using it but now its only Firefox, Chrome and IE9 (when its released) for me.

Oops, looks like there's some hypocrisy going on here! Apparently it's fine for Google and Microsoft to file false antitrust complaints (they were rejected), but when Opera files a perfectly reasonable complaint because of Microsoft's proven illegal activities, then that's bad all of a sudden!

Gotta love inconsistency, hypocrisy and double standards :D

In addition there just seems to be way too many bugs, almost every post is someone saying bug# still exists.

Welcome to the world of browser development. That's the way other browsers have it too.

[Denis W. Veteran]

Man 10.5 is coming along fast :)

EDIT: this build seems to have regressed a bit. I loved that they had moved the trash button on the tab bar all the way to the right in the last build and now its back in that weird spot before the window buttons :( And the lighter blue color for the tabs looks ugly.

The skin's not finished yet. There might be a final update to the skin...

The new tabs are okay except for the chunky shadow on the left-most tab.

[Nagisan]

Opera usually have much longer development cycles as well. The bailout screen have change that for 10.5. After the coming week the cycle will probably go down a bit. They will also focus on the Mac and Linux versions.

To top it off, they also split up their development teams, instead of having one large team working on the Windows, Mac and Unix/Linux builds all at once, they have a team working on the Windows builds, a team working on the Mac builds, etc. They are probably rushing to get 10.5 on Windows out the door due to the browser ballot screen, but they also split up their teams, so they can focus on getting a full Windows build out to please a larger majority of the market, then they can focus on the other builds to please the others. Like you said, once 10.5 for Windows releases, development on Windows is going to drop dramatically until the other OS releases catch up.

[SoyoS]

Did Google lose you as a "customer" when they filed an antitrust complaint against Microsoft?

Did Microsoft lose you as a customer when they filed an antitrust complaint against Google?

Did Mozilla lose you as a "customer" when they joined the antitrust complaint against Microsoft in the EU?

Did Google lose you as a "customer" when they joined the antitrust complaint against Microsoft in the EU?

Are you consistent, or is it just another knee-jerk reaction based on lack of knowledge of the subject matter?

Oops, looks like there's some hypocrisy going on here! Apparently it's fine for Google and Microsoft to file false antitrust complaints (they were rejected), but when Opera files a perfectly reasonable complaint because of Microsoft's proven illegal activities, then that's bad all of a sudden!

Gotta love inconsistency, hypocrisy and double standards :D

Welcome to the world of browser development. That's the way other browsers have it too.

What Microsoft did wasn't illegal, bundling a browser with their operating system isn't a crime in any country. Opera, Mozilla or any other company should have no say in how another (more importantly a competitor) operates their business.

Btw I just tried the Opera browser and its really buggy I'm amazed. First it wouldn't import my bookmarks from Firefox no matter what I did, then it would render certain websites differently to how ever other browser does it. The built-in email program is a great idea which I looked forward to trying out but sadly it wouldn't render the email as HTML and kept showing the tags making it useless, also for some stupid reason the dates the emails were received were completely different so emails I got last year were showing up as being received only today. :wacko:

Opera does have a nice UI though but that simply isn't enough to get me to change from my existing browser(s).

[Sub_Zero_Alchemist]

Another Release Candidate is out. another round of fixes.

[Nagisan]

Btw I just tried the Opera browser and its really buggy I'm amazed. First it wouldn't import my bookmarks from Firefox no matter what I did, then it would render certain websites differently to how ever other browser does it. The built-in email program is a great idea which I looked forward to trying out but sadly it wouldn't render the email as HTML and kept showing the tags making it useless, also for some stupid reason the dates the emails were received were completely different so emails I got last year were showing up as being received only today. :wacko:

Many sites use browser-specific code, so its not unusual for a website to look a bit different in one browser compared to another. The main thing is whether it looks rendered correctly or not, and even if it looks wrong, it could be browser-sniffing code designed for an older version of Opera, and the site simply hasn't updated it for the rendering improvements in 10.5. Odd about your email issues, HTML emails render fine for me.....and the dates have never shown up wrong either.

[Growled Member]

I'm been out of pocket this weekend and I've gotten way behind. Time to update. :)

[Fluxii Media]

On it right now... Looks pretty... Renders slower than Chrome though on my PC. I dunno why it does... I mean, it's fast... but images render so slow and/or start off as a "X" first before loading. Looks bad when loading some heavy websites.

Other than that, it's pretty decent. I never liked Widgets, so I don't use it. I pretty much strip it down to just tabs and browser bar. It starts up slower than Chrome too btw.

[Denis W. Veteran]

Another Release Candidate is out. another round of fixes.

They say User/Browser JS isn't working. That's weird, because the image resizer script I'm using still works (since Opera doesn't scale down large images by default).

Those who'd like to try the script: Download this or this one.

On it right now... Looks pretty... Renders slower than Chrome though on my PC. I dunno why it does... I mean, it's fast... but images render so slow and/or start off as a "X" first before loading. Looks bad when loading some heavy websites.

Other than that, it's pretty decent. I never liked Widgets, so I don't use it. I pretty much strip it down to just tabs and browser bar. It starts up slower than Chrome too btw.

Copy and paste this:

opera:config#Update%20Delay

and play around with the values.

[Fluxii Media]

They say User/Browser JS isn't working. That's weird, because the image resizer script I'm using still works (since Opera doesn't scale down large images by default).

Those who'd like to try the script: Download this or this one.

Copy and paste this:

opera:config#Update%20Delay

and play around with the values.

Thanks for the tip... what would be good numbers IYO?

[Denis W. Veteran]

If you want the absolute fastest, you can try setting both values to 0. Keep in mind that you may see a lot of flickering as elements on the page are drawn as soon as possible.

I would try increasing the initial delay by a greater amount, say 1500 (which is enough on my end for Neowin's background to draw without showing white flickering), and keep the update delay as is or lower it to 0 if you like fast drawing of images.

edit: geez, another build already?

[evo21]

10.50 Release Candidate 3 for Windows

Opera 10.50 RC3 for Windows fixes these issues:

User JS/Browser JS fix

Fixed DSK-284257 (DEP (Data Execution Prevention) message)

Fixed DSK-284262 (Double-clicking on sent mail crashes Opera)

Fixed US-1881 (Opera Unite applications not localized in Opera 10.50 RC and RC2)

http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2010/03/01/1050-rc3

They are working day and night to get it ready for tomorrow :o

[Denis W. Veteran]

They now wrap the installer in a 7-zip SFX... possibly for two reasons:

- The UAC dialog comes up immediately

- Installer icon is now customized