Opera 10.50 RC for Windows Released

[Fluxii Media]

You forgot to show the bottom of the task manager where is shows 70% of your memory is free :yes: . But you can keep pretending that the memory usage actually effects you :).

Actually... it's only 55% memory free. Still, it's the point that it shouldn't be taking that much, Firefox does it too... Chrome I deal with cause if I need more RAM at all I just close a tab, not close the entire program just to restart it so I can have most of my memory back for another 5 minutes.

[tsupersonic]

Here are my peacekeeper results:

Tested with :

- Opera 10.5 RC3

- Chrome build 5.0.341.0 (40252)

- Firefox 3.6

Ironically, here's an older screenshot, I think I was testing Opera 10.5 Beta, as the picture is dated 2/12/2010:

Look at the score increase on Chrome, it's a big difference.

[Andre S. Veteran]

I think the big red square Opera button in the top-left corner of the screen is atrocious and out of place, but otherwise, this is starting to look like a browser I'd like to use.

[DavidM]

I think the big red square Opera button in the top-left corner of the screen is atrocious and out of place, but otherwise, this is starting to look like a browser I'd like to use.

It can be removed, right click customize -> remove from tool bar. Menu can be accessed by the alt key.

[elantheros]

You forgot to show the bottom of the task manager where is shows 70% of your memory is free :yes: . But you can keep pretending that the memory usage actually effects you :).

Just because we have lots of RAM, means that programs with memory leaks are acceptable?

[+Neyht Subscriber²]

Has the release candidate fixed this yet? In the task bar right click on one of the previews and click maximize--what happens? Currently Mozilla's implementation has about the same issue (nightly builds). Everyone seems to be dropping the ball when it comes to that right click menu. IE8 is the only one that has it right.

[edit: corrections made after updating to the latest RC build]

[TokiToki]

Just because we have lots of RAM, means that programs with memory leaks are acceptable?

Except it's not a memory leak. Opera is designed to use 10% of available memory at the default automatic memory setting. You see "high" memory usage because Opera caches all previous pages in memory, which is why the Back/Forward system is very quick.

[halcyoncmdr]

Except it's not a memory leak. Opera is designed to use 10% of available memory at the default automatic memory setting. You see "high" memory usage because Opera caches all previous pages in memory, which is why the Back/Forward system is very quick.

Exactly. As soon as something requests that memory Opera will relinquish it, until that point it will keep those pages in memory in case you decide to go back at all, otherwise it is wasted that Opera can use to increase your user experience. Caching that means that if you choose to go back to a previously opened page in the same tab, or open an already closed tab it will just pull it from cache instead of having to reload the page. It is the same thing that Windows 7 does on its own with things like SuperFetch, but in reverse. Instead of anticipating what you are going to do based on usage trends it just keeps what you've closed already in memory in case you want to go back.

[Guest xiphi]

Has the release candidate fixed this yet? In the task bar right click on one of the previews and click maximize--what happens? Currently Mozilla's implementation isn't much better (nightly builds). Everyone seems to be dropping the ball when it comes to that right click menu. IE8 is the only one that has it right.

Also, I would prefer the previews to disappear when you close them.

That's quite a nasty bug, and it's still in the RC.

[carmatic]

lolopera

10.5 beta broke my unite services, now they've released the RC and the unite services are still broken

oops, i missed this link http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2010/02/28/another-release-candidate

they've released an update already!

[carmatic]

gawd dangit i've not even finished downloading the second release, and now i found that there's a third release http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2010/03/01/1050-rc3#comments

[PreKe]

Read your posts bud; and you keep outbursting on anyone who talks down Opera like they're idiots. Like I said, not everyone is having as much fun with 10.5, it IS buggy. Deal with that fact.

I never said that 10.5 wasn't buggy. I just responded to someone who posted hypocritical anti-Opera FUD. He posted some nonsense about not using Opera because Opera was doing something everyone else was doing anyway, and when I pointed out that, he responded with some vague "Opera sucks" comment which contained a bunch of nonsense that aren't even actual known bugs in Opera. I certainly don't know anyone who is unable to view HTML mail, for example. That is why I called it FUD, because it was so obviously an attempt to invent problems in order to change the subject, which was that he got caught with his pants down, double standards and all.

Chrome is still champ by my books

How predictable :)

Funny, staring at the latest stats for Browser Market share and it shows for Worldwide Stats, IE @ 53.52% and declining. Firefox @ 31.05% and declining. Chrome @ 7.57% and rising. Safari at 5.66% and rising... and last but not least.... Opera at 1.21% and declining.

It's too bad that such stats are useless. Do you really think a browser will drop magically from more than 2% the last day of one month, and way down the first day of the next?

http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser-ww-daily-20100227-20100301

It's also funny that StatCounter reported Chrome has having nearly double Opera's market share at a point when Google reported 30 million users for Chrome, while Opera reported that they had 40 million desktop users. How is that possible?

[GreenMartian]

Except it's not a memory leak. Opera is designed to use 10% of available memory at the default automatic memory setting. You see "high" memory usage because Opera caches all previous pages in memory, which is why the Back/Forward system is very quick.

(Y)

Those of you crying "Leak!!" probably have never seen Opera running on a memory-starved machine. Hint: it still feels snappy and uses less RAM. Unlike a certain furry creature that seems to eat about the same amount of memory, no matter which machine I run it on..

Edit: Dear lord. I just finished installing RC1 this morning, and RC3 is already up?? Freaking zombies...

[PreKe]

First of all, I said reminiscent. There are two schools of thought on what it means for software to be bloated--some say it's simply file size, others say it's how the software feels.

It sounds like you are saying that the second school of thought is one where you can basically throw around the "bloated" label for anything you don't like. I don't think that's very useful. Bloat has a very useful definition, which I pointed out. "Doesn't feel right" just doesn't cut it :)

They have RCs for the Windows version buts hows the development progressing for OSX and Linux?

Mac is a beta, and rather buggy. Linux is extremely buggy and not even beta. Maybe they'll move over people from Windows once it's out to speed up those as well.

[GreenMartian]

Linux is extremely buggy and not even beta. Maybe they'll move over people from Windows once it's out to speed up those as well.

Yeah, the linux release is totally not worth it, for now.

On that note, Chromium's linux offering is progressing quite nicely.

[Fluxii Media]

I never said that 10.5 wasn't buggy. I just responded to someone who posted hypocritical anti-Opera FUD. He posted some nonsense about not using Opera because Opera was doing something everyone else was doing anyway, and when I pointed out that, he responded with some vague "Opera sucks" comment which contained a bunch of nonsense that aren't even actual known bugs in Opera. I certainly don't know anyone who is unable to view HTML mail, for example. That is why I called it FUD, because it was so obviously an attempt to invent problems in order to change the subject, which was that he got caught with his pants down, double standards and all.

How predictable :)

It's too bad that such stats are useless. Do you really think a browser will drop magically from more than 2% the last day of one month, and way down the first day of the next?

http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser-ww-daily-20100227-20100301

It's also funny that StatCounter reported Chrome has having nearly double Opera's market share at a point when Google reported 30 million users for Chrome, while Opera reported that they had 40 million desktop users. How is that possible?

To clear one thing up in what you said at first... I just got an HTML email, and I was unable to view it properly. But, I also realize that this is just a RC. Not a final build. Everything can be fixed. I wasn't just calling you a troll for that one statement, I think you're just an huge fanboy that can't handle other peoples negative opinion on Opera. But I could also be wrong, again, this is just the way you're coming off.

Predictable about me still liking Chrome over Opera? What do you expect? Because the benchmarks may show Opera in the lead, it still doesn't FEEL as snappy and doesn't FEEL like it renders faster than Chrome. I stated this was still my opinion and I haven't said that Opera was a bad browser. Don't label me predictable because Chrome is clearly better in my opinion. You're just asking for an argument at that point. But I won't turn this into one. You have your opinion, and I have mine. As does everyone else. I've stated what I dislike about Opera! Yet, I am still testing it! I am on Opera 10.5 RC3 as I type this! I still want to try different scenarios to see if it could replace Chrome, but right now, Chrome remains the default.

Those statistics that you are bashing so hard have been right about the marketshare before. In fact, every stat website is still showing Chrome ahead, with Opera still declining in usage. Why? Because Opera doesn't have the resources Google has. I really don't see how they can compete, but they also have some die-hard fanboys (go look in the mirror for one! haha) Which is fine, every piece of software has some sort of Fanboy. :) I enjoy Chrome, I like Opera too, just not going to replace Chrome till I can see something on it WORTH replacing Chrome for.

[Buendia]

When you create a follower tab, any link you click in the original tab opens in the follower tab, even those that would originally open in the same tab.

I get now. Thanks.

Neat feature, BTW.

[x-byte]

RC4 out now

Opera 10.50 RC4 for Windows fixes these issues:

Fixed CORE-28211 (Crash at wordpress.com, texterity.com, and more)

Fixed DSK-284279 (Radio buttons and checkboxes are missing in the native skin)

http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2010/03/01/10-50-rc4

[IronSkull]

Anyone got a collection of screenshots?

[Buendia]

I didn't even had a chance to finish downloading RC3 :)

[x-byte]

Anyone got a collection of screenshots?

Not much to see though:

http://picasaweb.google.com/eholten/Opera

[Fluxii Media]

jeez, another RC update. Dang... P.S. I have fallen in love with Tabs at the bottom of the Window compared to on top.

@+x-byte ... your signature is false advertisement :)

[GreenMartian]

RC4

Sigh.. At this rate I think I might as well wait for the final :crazy:

[carmatic]

4 release candidates on, and opera unite just isnt fixed... hope they get it fixed soon, i want my sig working again...

[Fluxii Media]

Sigh.. At this rate I think I might as well wait for the final :crazy:

I was debating on that... but I'm enjoying watching all the new bugs pop up at the same rate the old ones are fixed. It's very exciting.