Opera 10.50 RC for Windows Released

[Mike]

I think that's their fix for the installer not being signed, and still allows them to compress it further

[Fluxii Media]

Thanks RM20010... and jesus... another release!? This is getting to be too much of a hassle.

[Joshie]

Is there, will there be, or has there ever been a light version of Opera with the email and torrent client trimmed out? It always felt like horribly unnecessary bloat to me to the extent of bundling two whole extra programs I had no desire to ever use (and often was irritated by the process of disabling its torrenter).

I want to try the new release, but no matter how many things Opera gets right, the bundling is just too painfully reminiscent of Netscape.

[Growled Member]

They're releasing new builds faster than I can install them. :D

[Denis W. Veteran]

I think that's their fix for the installer not being signed, and still allows them to compress it further

It's actually larger by 258 KB :p

The extracted installer is only 1 KB smaller.

[PreKe]

Is there, will there be, or has there ever been a light version of Opera with the email and torrent client trimmed out? It always felt like horribly unnecessary bloat to me to the extent of bundling two whole extra programs I had no desire to ever use (and often was irritated by the process of disabling its torrenter).

E-mail and BitTorrent are disabled by default, and you won't even notice them unless you activate them yourself. Opera is light by default. Bloat is when it grows too big and gets in the way, which is not the case with Opera, since it's a smaller download than other browsers, and the extra features stay out of the way unless you activate them.

I want to try the new release, but no matter how many things Opera gets right, the bundling is just too painfully reminiscent of Netscape.

And yet it's smaller and faster than the other browsers...

[Fluxii Media]

E-mail and BitTorrent are disabled by default, and you won't even notice them unless you activate them yourself. Opera is light by default. Bloat is when it grows too big and gets in the way, which is not the case with Opera, since it's a smaller download than other browsers, and the extra features stay out of the way unless you activate them.

And yet it's smaller and faster than the other browsers...

Still not faster than Chrome. :)

[Mike]

It's actually larger by 258 KB :p

The extracted installer is only 1 KB smaller.

That's erm odd :p

[PreKe]

What Microsoft did wasn't illegal, bundling a browser with their operating system isn't a crime in any country. Opera, Mozilla or any other company should have no say in how another (more importantly a competitor) operates their business.

Sigh. Do I really have to do the most basic education of people in this forum? No, bundling is not illegal. It is, however, illegal to abuse bundling with a dominant product in order to undermine the competition. Competition Law exists to protect the free market, and by violating it, Microsoft ensured that it would lose the right to do what it wanted to. Just like you would lose the right to walk freely down the street if you robbed a little old lady.

But I notice that you didn't actually address my questions:

Did Google lose you as a "customer" when they filed an antitrust complaint against Microsoft?

Did Microsoft lose you as a customer when they filed an antitrust complaint against Google?

Did Mozilla lose you as a "customer" when they joined the antitrust complaint against Microsoft in the EU?

Did Google lose you as a "customer" when they joined the antitrust complaint against Microsoft in the EU?

Btw I just tried the Opera browser and its really buggy I'm amazed.

Of course you are. Gotta change the subject and spread as much FUD as possible about Opera!

But again, are you still using products from Mozilla, Google and Microsoft? If so, well, you know what it's called...

[Fluxii Media]

Sigh. Do I really have to do the most basic education of people in this forum? No, bundling is not illegal. It is, however, illegal to abuse bundling with a dominant product in order to undermine the competition. Competition Law exists to protect the free market, and by violating it, Microsoft ensured that it would lose the right to do what it wanted to. Just like you would lose the right to walk freely down the street if you robbed a little old lady.

But I notice that you didn't actually address my questions:

Did Google lose you as a "customer" when they filed an antitrust complaint against Microsoft?

Did Microsoft lose you as a customer when they filed an antitrust complaint against Google?

Did Mozilla lose you as a "customer" when they joined the antitrust complaint against Microsoft in the EU?

Did Google lose you as a "customer" when they joined the antitrust complaint against Microsoft in the EU?

Of course you are. Gotta change the subject and spread as much FUD as possible about Opera!

But again, are you still using products from Mozilla, Google and Microsoft? If so, well, you know what it's called...

Wow, big enough Opera Fan Boy are ya? Why are you saying what other people are experiencing as FUD? I'm on Opera 10.50 RC3 right now, yes it's still buggy, but, they even know it is, that's why they're working so hard and releasing updates so fast. To fix these bugs.

You seem to be so far up Opera's a** that you can't seem to understand that not everyone is going have a perfect experience with Opera. So, calm down Troll.

[PreKe]

Still not faster than Chrome. :)

Benchmarks would seem to disagree with that claim, unfortunately. Chrome held the performance throne for a while, but Opera 10.5 is a serious challenger, and Google has their work cut out for them.

As for Decaytion's outburst... I'm not feeding that :) Maybe he should try reading my posts instead of making false assumptions.

[Fluxii Media]

Benchmarks would seem to disagree with that claim, unfortunately. Chrome held the performance throne for a while, but Opera 10.5 is a serious challenger, and Google has their work cut out for them.

As for Decaytion's outburst... I'm not feeding that :) Maybe he should try reading my posts instead of making false assumptions.

Read your posts bud; and you keep outbursting on anyone who talks down Opera like they're idiots. Like I said, not everyone is having as much fun with 10.5, it IS buggy. Deal with that fact.

Also: Your lover seems to be a memory hog as well. 300 MB of RAM for what? BASIC browsing? No torrent or email accounts set up, Opera Unite is OFF and REMOVED. Only 4 tabs open. Bullsh*t.

Chrome is still champ by my books, it still starts up and renders pages faster FOR ME. Not saying it is overall, as I won't run the benchmarking tests right now, but maybe in a little bit I will. What are some top benchmarking sites so I can run it.

[~Johnny]

Still not faster than Chrome. :)

Well, it beats the latest dev channel release on my system :cool: And on a lot of other peoples systems too, though I have seen variation where chrome wins too on the same tests on a different system. But hey, I'll also go with Opera personally, love the scrolling in it :rofl:

Damn, they really can't be testing these fixes at all xD But heck I guess with all these extra programmers they've hired and effort they've put in just to get this release out the door in time, I'll let it slip past this once. I haven't run into any problems, and there's always 10.51 if needs be xD

@ Decaytion: Opera keeps previously browsed pages loaded in memory - try seeing how fast pages load when pressing back or re-opening a tab you've just closed - it's near instant, and far faster than any other browser. Mail client & torrents have no effect on the RAM usage if you are not using them

[Fluxii Media]

Running Peacekeeper on Chrome (Dev Build) now. Just did it on Opera 10.50. Will run it on Firefox and IE probably too, so everyone can see the differences between all the browsers. :)

BTW, on my PC, the first run of Peacekeeper gave it a score of 3038... that can't be right, will run it again after Chrome is done. ---- UPDATE: Nevermind, going to keep that one as well... first runs for all browsers will be posted when I am done.

@~Johnny - Thanks for clearing that up... I'm not really liking that, but, I can see where it can be nice for some. Opera is now taking a whopping 400 MB RAM.

[Joshie]

E-mail and BitTorrent are disabled by default, and you won't even notice them unless you activate them yourself. Opera is light by default. Bloat is when it grows too big and gets in the way, which is not the case with Opera, since it's a smaller download than other browsers, and the extra features stay out of the way unless you activate them.

And yet it's smaller and faster than the other browsers...

First of all, I said reminiscent. There are two schools of thought on what it means for software to be bloated--some say it's simply file size, others say it's how the software feels.

Anyway, I went ahead and installed the build. It does a better job of hiding the mail app than previous versions, by far, and I like that, though I still don't see why it can't be a separate program entirely. But good enough.

However, you're wrong about the torrent part. It still is the default client, but it doesn't automatically launch. It's asking now whether I want to use it, or use another client instead (and whether I want it to default to that in the future). I'm okay with this, mostly because it's SO much better than past versions of Opera where it simply defaulted entirely to their own torrent client, and you had to dig through preferences to turn that off.

[Fluxii Media]

As promised, here are the results, it clearly shows Opera 10.5 as the fastest Web Browser on my System, but, like I said, Chrome FEELS faster when it renders everything. Maybe it's how Webkit works... Not sure, not a techy:

Just ran Sunspider Benchmark on Chrome and Opera... Chrome is about 1.5x faster at Javascript.

[i_was_here]

They have RCs for the Windows version buts hows the development progressing for OSX and Linux?

[Mike]

They have RCs for the Windows version buts hows the development progressing for OSX and Linux?

Beta for OS X on their blog, not sure on Linux may still be alpha.

Reason: Ballot screen for Windows & going native looking on Windows was easier - Mac involved more work and Linux even more. Once 10.5 goes final on Windows (likely in the next couple of days) they're focusing on the Mac/Linux builds and then the parallel development will continue.

[Denis W. Veteran]

Once development of 10.50 wraps up, they should start work on adding hardware rendering backends to Vega. The current renderer is fast, but it could be better (the animations do hitch occasionally).

[cork1958]

Man, I've been a fan of Opera's since the version 5 days, but just can't get used to it anymore to use everyday.

Maybe once this goes final, I'll try it again (I know I will. Always do) and it can win me back. I keep hoping!!

[~Johnny]

This is on my main system, though last time I checked on my netbook, chrome edged it out on that. They're still both blimmin fast :shifty: To be fair, for me the performance seems pretty much the same, heck, side by side, Facebook loaded about half a second faster on Opera, Gamespot loading half a second faster on Chrome - i'm not really bothered about this half second really xD

I just prefer Opera for it's time saving features -

I like being able to press ctrl + z to reopen a tab I've accidentally closed, or just want to open again for whatever reason,

I like going backwards just by using right & left click (thank god for mouse gestures, they make browsing so easily),

I like being able to search wikipedia by entering my text in the address bar starting with a "w", or highlighting something on a page, right clicking and choosing "encyclopedia"

I like being able to addd ANY search box on ANY webpage to my search bar on the browser (piratebay, play.com, IGN, all up there :) )

I like being able to save snippets of texts as notes instantly, like little quotes or helpful information, or sites that I might wanna go back to but I on't want to bookmark

I like the page instantly being ready when I press back instead of reloading itself

... and loads more..

It's really just the little things it comes with out of the box that make your browsing experience a little faster, and little easier and a little more enjoyable, that sets it apart for me, and the nice GUI update and speed boost that this update comes with just tops it off for me :laugh:

[Fluxii Media]

Funny, staring at the latest stats for Browser Market share and it shows for Worldwide Stats, IE @ 53.52% and declining. Firefox @ 31.05% and declining. Chrome @ 7.57% and rising. Safari at 5.66% and rising... and last but not least.... Opera at 1.21% and declining.

Oh and SRC: http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser-ww-monthly-200902-201003

@~Johnny - I used Opera before and I enjoyed it... I'm not saying I don't like it or that it's a bad Browser, cause heck, it really isn't... it's better than Firefox in every way IMO. I like it, but not over Chrome yet. But I will begin to use it as much as Chrome as I am a web designer and I strive for cross-browser capability...

I mean there is no reason to argue really, as long as we all know Macs are still trash... just kidding! ;) Not going to start a flame war because I'm kidding around... though Windows 7 was MY idea ;)

Edited March 1, 2010 by Decaytion

[waruikoohii]

Most of the IE8 hatred comes from the incredibly subpar rendering engine. Not only is it slow as hell, it's not standards compliant, which causes massive headaches for developers that want to move forward with current web technologies in their designs (HTML5, CSS3, advanced JavaScript, etc).

HTML5 and CSS3 aren't "current web technologies." They are still under development, and as such, they should not be implemented in production environments.

They are not implemented in IE8 because it is a waste of engineering resources to implement standards which aren't standards, and which will change. It is a much better time investment to work on things like current web standsrds, performance, and security.

As for IE8 being slow as hell...honestly, I only notice a difference under very specific situations. The difference in rendering performance is not really perceptable to me (how much faster than "instant" can you get?). As far as it not being standards compliant...it's pretty good in IE8 mode. If you dump it into Quirks Mode or IE7 mode, though, yeah, good point.

[Fluxii Media]

HTML5 and CSS3 aren't "current web technologies." They are still under development, and as such, they should not be implemented in production environments.

They are not implemented in IE8 because it is a waste of engineering resources to implement standards which aren't standards, and which will change. It is a much better time investment to work on things like current web standsrds, performance, and security.

As for IE8 being slow as hell...honestly, I only notice a difference under very specific situations. The difference in rendering performance is not really perceptable to me (how much faster than "instant" can you get?). As far as it not being standards compliant...it's pretty good in IE8 mode. If you dump it into Quirks Mode or IE7 mode, though, yeah, good point.

I've noticed Tabs opening slow, I've noticed a HUGE time difference in Rendering... what about PNG images? Last I checked they don't even render properly... But I haven't tested it in IE8... But you compared IE8 or any version of IE to Chrome or Opera and you're going to notice a HUGE difference, and to say otherwise is silly to say the least. CSS3 + HTML5 are the future of Standards, they should be worked in now, like other Web Browsers are doing... not wait till the very last second like Microsoft has always done with IE. The entire software is junk IMHO.

[ViperAFK]

Read your posts bud; and you keep outbursting on anyone who talks down Opera like they're idiots. Like I said, not everyone is having as much fun with 10.5, it IS buggy. Deal with that fact.

Also: Your lover seems to be a memory hog as well. 300 MB of RAM for what? BASIC browsing? No torrent or email accounts set up, Opera Unite is OFF and REMOVED. Only 4 tabs open. Bullsh*t.

Chrome is still champ by my books, it still starts up and renders pages faster FOR ME. Not saying it is overall, as I won't run the benchmarking tests right now, but maybe in a little bit I will. What are some top benchmarking sites so I can run it.

You forgot to show the bottom of the task manager where is shows 70% of your memory is free :yes: . But you can keep pretending that the memory usage actually effects you :).