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6 minutes ago, Zagadka said:

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I was wondering what they were referring to. Sneaky. I honestly didn't catch all of that dialog, I assumed she was sneaking out the messages he was writing revealing Jon to the rest of the kingdom. The question is if she knew, which would better explain her reaction to Varys (I don't think she knew, she was just out for blood for people betraying her)

 

I also wondered about how the hell Jaime snuck out of the camp. I guess he COULD have... but it is another case of characters conveniently teleporting to where they are needed.

 

It seems like Arya is definitely going to kill Dany. Her eyes, the prophecy about a pale horse coming for her, the significance of the pale horse in other scenes... people have also been talking about Bran warging to the horse, but I doubt that at all. There is no indication that he knew what was happening or that the horse was being controlled. Plus, that would have been too clever for this episode, which they were apparently trying to avoid entirely.

 

The Internet is not pleased. HBO really screwed up with the 6 episode plan. This feels more like a highlights reel. Like, the Golden Company did exactly NOTHING, so that was a worthwhile plotline, and weirdly a lot more happened in this episode than the entire Winterfell engagement.

 

Yea, I agree.  I honestly think they could have done well with 10 episodes ... 

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Literally played out exactly as I'd expected.  Keep it simple.

[McCordRm]

I'm honestly expecting Jon to just say screw all this and go live with the Wildlings after Dany dies. 

And Sansa... let's not forget that a Stark is supposed to always be in Winterfell. Maybe we'll see what

happens when there's not one there. 

 

As for Varys trying to poison Dany... I wasn't entirely sure that's what was going on when I watched

the episode. The fight was still to come, and we're not entirely sure Jon could have controlled the

dragon. Can you imagine the dragon going apeshit crazy because its mother died and decimating

your army before the fight even starts? Varys could have very well allowed Cersei to win by default.

 

Don't get me wrong... I was on Varys' side all along, and REALLY hated seeing him go.

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13 hours ago, PsYcHoKiLLa said:

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How do you know Cersei is dead? Did you see a body?

 

Good point my friend

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Beautifully shot. Wonderfully acted. Loved the CGI and the sets. Even the extras brought their "A" Game. All that said, it wasn't the worst episode of GoT. It was the second worst, with the worst being Season 8 Episode 3. I can't wait for this show to die and it's clear the producers and writers feel the exact same way. I won't get into the countless plot holes, deus ex machina's and character stupidity to suit the story through this season but It's pretty safe to say Season 8 will go down as one of those things people talk about for a good long while...

 

Sorry to be a Debbie Downer, I generally try to keep negative opinions to myself. But the world must know! It's like I'm watching Never-ending Story 3 all over again.

 

[dipsylalapo Supervisor]

So from what I read online (and I'm sure someone here can clarify) the reason the story for the last season may not be as great as the others, is because it's not based on a book. 

 

The TV show is now ahead of the books and have been going in their own direction (I think)

 

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FWIW, I enjoyed the cheap action of the episode 😂

 

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People on IMDB are comparing this last season of GOT to the last season of Dexter ...  Calling it even worse than the final season of Dexter. That's just cruel, Jesus Christ, it's not that bad. So far I've liked the last season of GOT. Now, if Arya becomes a lumberjack then, maybe.

 

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57 minutes ago, dipsylalapo said:

So from what I read online (and I'm sure someone here can clarify) the reason the story for the last season may not be as great as the others, is because it's not based on a book. 

 

The TV show is now ahead of the books and have been going in their own direction (I think)

 

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FWIW, I enjoyed the cheap action of the episode 😂

 

It is ahead of the books, for some time now actually.  But people seem to think the show is just making things up with zero input from GRRM.   I don't think that's the case at all, I think that he has a say in the general direction and who does what.   Hell, as much as some are raging about how this season is going, i'd find it pretty hilarious if GRRMs version of the end in the books makes them rage if not the same, even more.  Because at this point he just doesn't care about who likes which character more and so on, basically 0 fs given.

[NinjaGinger]

I wonder what Dannie will make of John Snow. Is he now a threat to her ambition?

The last episode ever, will tell, I hope.

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13 minutes ago, NinjaGinger said:

I wonder what Dannie will make of John Snow. Is he now a threat to her ambition?

The last episode ever, will tell, I hope.

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Well, I think everyone now hates Dannie and wants her dead and the dragon won't smoke John because he's related to her. So he will probably be the one to kill her.

 

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People on IMDB are comparing this last season of GOT to the last season of Dexter ...  Calling it even worse than the final season of Dexter. That's just cruel, Jesus Christ, it's not that bad. So far I've liked the last season of GOT. Now, if Arya becomes a lumberjack then, maybe.

 

Last season of Dexter was a train wreck.  Last season of Game of Thrones has incredible production value, but suffers from lazy and often predictable writing, pacing issues, and of course being shorter than previous seasons. 

 

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My issues are that the night king was built up and then dealt with in an episode.  Then they have no problem taking King's Landing just because they still have one dragon left, even though they should have very few soldiers left due to the night king battle.

 

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Some of these are really great

 

https://www.boredpanda.com/funny-game-of-thrones-season-8-episode-5-memes/

 

 

[Jim K Global Moderator]

This last season there has been some beautiful scenes, outstanding acting ... just the pacing has been ... rushed.  It hasn't been Dexter bad ... but it could have been much better (with I believe 10 episodes).  Heck, having ten episodes probably wouldn't have put a major dent in the budget anyway (a few less explosions here and there ... a few less dragon scenes ... etc.) ... just something to slow the pace down and let things evolve (vs. going 0-100).

 

With that said ... if anything though ... I think the final episode is hard to predict.

 

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Cersei is dead ... with one episode left and even though her death was less than satisfactory ... there is no way they will pull a "gotcha" and have her reappear.  

 

Will Bran warg into Drogon eat Dany (maybe Dany heads to Winterfell in an attempt to kill Sansa) ... if that happens will Drogon accept Jon?

Will Arya kill Dany ... same question as above with Drogon.

Will Dany and Jon both die?  Will no one end up on the Iron Throne and a ###### off Drogon flying around laying waste to the 7 Kingdoms?

 

Surely Bran has a part to play in all this?

 

...regardless ... I think Dany dies.  But what about the dragon?

 

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I think we have to see Bran, and Sansa, again. It would be really unrewarding to just have them.... stop where we left them. Maybe Jon can apologize to Sansa about misunderstanding Dany. If he lives. Of course, I'm on Team Sansa, so...

 

Really have no idea about the next episode other than vague theories, and the writers just killed the concept of theories being accurate.

 

I am surprised that people are so shocked about Dany. She's always been blood and fire and vengeance.

 

Really hope they don't do a copout and show Jaime and Cersei chilling on a beach in Dorne as the final scene or something, as unsatisfying a death as they had.

 

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Edit; The two theories I have are Arya killing Dany and the possibility of no one sitting on the throne and the kingdoms separating.

 

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34 minutes ago, Zagadka said:

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I think we have to see Bran, and Sansa, again. It would be really unrewarding to just have them.... stop where we left them. Maybe Jon can apologize to Sansa about misunderstanding Dany. If he lives. Of course, I'm on Team Sansa, so...

 

Really have no idea about the next episode other than vague theories, and the writers just killed the concept of theories being accurate.

 

I am surprised that people are so shocked about Dany. She's always been blood and fire and vengeance.

 

Really hope they don't do a copout and show Jaime and Cersei chilling on a beach in Dorne as the final scene or something, as unsatisfying a death as they had.

 

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Edit; The two theories I have are Arya killing Dany and the possibility of no one sitting on the throne and the kingdoms separating.

 

Regarding the "beach" ...

 

...that would make it Dexter bad.  LOL

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On 5/13/2019 at 5:39 PM, Zagadka said:

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I also wondered about how the hell Jaime snuck out of the camp. I guess he COULD have... but it is another case of characters conveniently teleporting to where they are needed.

 

Not teleporting. I think it is implied that during the time of horses and walking, it takes a while to get to place to place. 

[George P Global Moderator]

I'm fine with the whole "teleport" thing, I mean they don't have to show us a whole episode of the army on the move, come on.   I think most people can tell that time past and it's not "the next day".  

 

Anyways, for theories about how it'll end.

 

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I'm starting to think that no one gets the Iron Throne, and we get a 7 kingdoms group union thing going on, Sansa stays in the North as Queen etc.  I think Jon says FU to everything and heads to the true North to get away from all this BS, which probably means Dany dies but at this point I think it was always her fate to die.   Sucks for her fans but the "game" has to end and you can't have peace if you still have everyone fighting over the same thing for hundreds of years.

 

Dany dies, don't know who kills her, could be Jon, Jon takes over as Drogans master.  When everyone expects Jon to take the throne he then has Drogan destroy it, because the lore says a dragon made it etc.  Then he's like, f the throne, no more king, make a union etc, and leaves.

 

[McCordRm]

Honestly, the only thing missing from Dany's tantrum was her yelling, "Let them burn!".

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16 hours ago, George P said:

I'm fine with the whole "teleport" thing, I mean they don't have to show us a whole episode of the army on the move, come on.   I think most people can tell that time past and it's not "the next day".  

 

Anyways, for theories about how it'll end.

 

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I'm starting to think that no one gets the Iron Throne, and we get a 7 kingdoms group union thing going on, Sansa stays in the North as Queen etc.  I think Jon says FU to everything and heads to the true North to get away from all this BS, which probably means Dany dies but at this point I think it was always her fate to die.   Sucks for her fans but the "game" has to end and you can't have peace if you still have everyone fighting over the same thing for hundreds of years.

 

Dany dies, don't know who kills her, could be Jon, Jon takes over as Drogans master.  When everyone expects Jon to take the throne he then has Drogan destroy it, because the lore says a dragon made it etc.  Then he's like, f the throne, no more king, make a union etc, and leaves.

 

we will see... we will see. 

 

no bets meaw! 

[Emn1ty]

Gonna put in my two cents here.

 

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Episodes 3, 4 and 5 have had absolutely terrible writing. And no, it has nothing to do with the plot points themselves. On paper, all of it makes sense and is actually a good story. However the execution has been abysmal. It's obvious things are being rushed, and the writes have admitted several times their goal is not to make a good story; but to subvert viewer expectations.

 

Game of Thrones has always been about subverting tropes. While I dislike the fact that this always took a front seat to good storytelling (season 1 finale, I'm looking at you), that was the heart and soul of the show. I watched it for this reason, because I always wanted to see how far the writers would go to decimate character arcs simply to evade tropes or for shock value (ie. killing a character you would never expect to die).

 

But these last three episodes have been filled trope after trope. God levels of plot armor, completely inconsistent power levels that change only for the convenience of plot, and often a lack of building up plot points so they make sense.

 

For example, Aria killing the Knight King. The entire build up to that was a single line. Ignoring the fact she had to leap over hundreds of undead and several generals to get where she was, the writers admitted they chose her to do that simply because they weren't thinking about her. That decision is why it felt so out of place and poorly executed. Why it appears as if she just manifests out of thin air. It also shows you why John's romp around seemed so pointless, because at the end of the day he did almost nothing in that fight.

 

But now we go to the two episodes following that. Where people are just acting entirely  out of character for the sake of plot. Sansa openly betraying John, which makes no sense. Tyrian betraying Veris, his closest friend. And instead of doing what Dani had done in every other episode she decides to start murdering innocent people rather than staying laser focused on the Lannisters and the Red Keep (which they kept pointing out). I don't mind her going mad queen, but I do mind that they didn't properly lead up to or justify it. She's completely ignoring Jorah's advice about Tyrian, too.

 

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Don't worry, nerds will do what nerds always do when a story doesn't satisfy them; complain a lot, step completed, then fill in the blanks with theories and fan fiction. Star Wars is the king of retcons and explaining things a few decades after they were originally written without originally thinking about it. And the SW community LOVES doing it. This is why we have all of the theories in GoT about how characters do things that make no sense. I expect the books to conclude things a lot better than the series.

 

This is actually why some people are upset; they basically destroyed dozens of fan theories in a couple of hours (instead of having characters properly develop and change with motivations - they would end up doing what they did, but the rush they are in made them act without the proper changes to their characters to justify it).

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1 hour ago, Zagadka said:

This is actually why some people are upset; they basically destroyed dozens of fan theories in a couple of hours (instead of having characters properly develop and change with motivations - they would end up doing what they did, but the rush they are in made them act without the proper changes to their characters to justify it).

What bugs me even more was HBO offered them 10 episodes and they declined.

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43 minutes ago, Emn1ty said:

What bugs me even more was HBO offered them 10 episodes and they declined.

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Previous seasons felt less rush because nobody was together, they would take entire seasons to get from one spot to the other. Now everyone is together and there are fewer things to talk about and do. Had their been 10 episodes people would have been bitching about the slow filler episodes, plus you would have had slow scenes with people talking nonstop just to kill time.

 

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You ,mean it would be horrible and slow with character development like seasons 1-5 that got everyone in love with the series in the first place? Say it ain't so!

 

People would bitch either way. May as well do it right.

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3 minutes ago, Zagadka said:

You ,mean it would be horrible and slow with character development like seasons 1-5 that got everyone in love with the series in the first place? Say it ain't so!

 

People would bitch either way. May as well do it right.

Aren't they already developed? Not sure how much more development do we need.

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Do we need to slowly in 10 episodes watch her lose it? I think she lost it at just the right speed.

 

On another note, I miss the old black redacted spoiler tags.