PS3 controller is titled Move, says source

[HilariousNinja]

This, paired with the upcoming firmware upgrade for 3D TV's could be very promising.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwHwOUwEJAQ

[DPyro]

too late, that's already done and ready to go. Played it, quite fun but not gonna cause me to go buy it. In the video posted above, it's where the little girl is "painting". As far as Move Fit, I wouldn't be suprised to see them bring back Kinetic from the PS2 days, way before Wii Fit, since it used the Eye Toy as well.

Move Dance would be awesome if you could use the 3iimotes as glowsticks.

Wow, that game actually looks really good:

[Guest]

nm

[DPyro]

Here's some early PS2 stuff to all the whiners saying they copied Nintendo:

[tablet_user]

the same could be said of the wiimote and nunchuck.

obviously. Its a complete ripoff of something sony said was just a fad console.

[TDQuiksilver]

obviously. Its a complete ripoff of something sony said was just a fad console.

Sony and MS are doing so much more with the motion. The Wii does have it's gimmicky limits.

[vladmphoto]

I don't think the Move in any way compares with Microsoft's Natal project.....I am a huge fan of the PS3 as I have one and not a 360 but I have to say, for Sony to even dream of comparing their Move thing to Natal is just arrogant and silly. Move is more or less what Wii has but Natal has actual visual detection and does not require any sort of controller. I am not saying this is necessarily what people want but the technology is impressive. I doubt the Natal thing will do as well as Microsoft hopes because honestly, do you really want to be holding an imaginary steering wheel while playing a racing game where your hands get damn tired and start aching? Do you really want to move around like a play puppet and sweat like a pig when trying to play your favorite sports game? I think Microsoft is trying to place you into the experience by getting you to physically move about and such. I doubt gamers want to sweat and get tired when playing video games. I mean when you want to exercise and have fun physically, you go outside and play a sport but when wanting to play video games in a nice air-conditioned room, I don't think people want to do much physical activity. So I think Sony's Move will be far more successful even though the technology is not as impressive.

[MightyJordan]

How do you work that out? Buy both parts, pay as much as you do for 1 PS3 controller. How does N make more money by breaking up a set of controllers? :unsure:

Not true. A DUALSHOCK 3 controller retails for ?39.99. A Wiimote retails for ?29.99, but then if you want to play a game that requires the Nunchuk, you have to pay an extra ?14.99 for that. Then if you want the movements to be precise, you have to spend another ?24.99 on the WiiMotion Plus. That's a total of ?69.97 for one fully complete Wii controller! This is the retail prices, BTW, but if you shopped at say, Play.com, the only saving you'd make would be getting the WiiMotion Plus for ?17.99; the other parts are full price on there.

Nintendo makes more money this way by releasing games that usually require you to have these add-ons (OK, not the WiiMotion Plus at the moment, but definitely the Nunchuk for many games).

[PreKe]

Here's some early PS2 stuff to all the whiners saying they copied Nintendo:

Uh, that has got nothing to do with what Nintendo did with motion sensing. That video is of a technology being shown off for a completely different purpose.

[DPyro]

Uh, that has got nothing to do with what Nintendo did with motion sensing. That video is of a technology being shown off for a completely different purpose.

It is the same method they are using for PlayStation Move. Just showing that Sony did motion controls first.

[Joel]

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2010/3/24/

;)

[soniqstylz]

http://www.destructoid.com/pax-east-10-what-the-ps-move-does-differently-better-168955.phtml

PAX East 10: What the PS Move does differently, better

It's 3 AM. You wake, sleep broken by the water monster pounding its liquid fists against the sides of your bladder. You pull off the covers and trudge towards the restroom. You know where the toilet is. You know your hallway. But you still stub your toe and fumble like a drunk for the doorknob. Your ability to perfectly interpret your surroundings is broken by darkness.

This is why software developers, according to Anton Mikhailov, a software engineer in research & development at SCE, program sweeping gestures into their Wii games instead of precise movements. The Wii remote hardware can't interpret space that well.

But the PlayStation Move can.

In Boston this afternoon Mikhailov tossed me a man-versus-darkness analogy to help explain what the PS Move does differently and better than the Wii Motion Plus. According to him, it comes down to a variety of factors: the remote's 1:1 precision, its own accelerometers and gyrometers, and most importantly, the PlayStation Eye camera spatial tracking.

"The way the system works -- the lit sphere is being tracked by the PlayStation Eye camera. Internally, there are accelerometers and gyroscopes. That part is very similar to the Wii Motion Plus. But the camera is the big differentiating factor because that actually lets you have a position in space.

"On the Wii Motion Plus you sort of have a gestural input. It sort of knows how you're moving but it doesn't really know where you end up."

Mikhailov and I are standing in front of a decent-sized LCD TV in the middle of a hotel suite in the city tea and the Red Sox built. I'm watching something similar to the E3 tech demo -- Mikhailov is holding two slim PS Move controllers. On the screen, though, he's holding two goofy looking swords.

He's swinging and twisting the controllers quickly, each movement recreated on the screen as close to perfect as my naked eyes can discern. He lets me try. I giggle, feel awkward as I see two the toys transferred to my grip.

"An analogy for that -- [the Wii Motion's general input] -- is if you close your eyes and try to walk across the room. You know you're going forward but you're really not sure where you are in space. You're kind of stumbling.

"That's why they end up doing a lot of gestures where you swing forward and swing left. We're more of a spatial device. We can do quick gestures. But at the same time, we also have the smooth positionings. So we can do another level of gameplay where you can fake left and then go under and low. You can do complex motions that don't just trigger gestural inputs, but move how you move."

The Eye does all the depth tracking based on its view of the controller.

"The camera does 3D tracking. The Wii has a camera looking at the dots. But the reason it can't do 3D is because, as [people] turn away, [the hardware] loses sight of the dots -- and the dots move around in unpredictable ways.

"Because our camera is looking at the controller, going back to the blind analogy, it's like those are our eyes that are watching the room for us. That's how we can tell position."

He switches the swords to models of a PS Move motion controller. The device is perfectly rendered to the controller we're holding in our hands, right down to the buttons as I move the controller around to face the PS Eye.

"This is the shape of the controller, overlayed on the video. You can actually see how precise this device is. If there was any error, you wouldn't see the controller where it's supposed to be. It's exactly where we are."

The sub-controller, an optional attachment, can't be tracked like this -- It's because it doesn't have a glowing sphere. As dorky as that thing looks, it's vital to the experience. To illustrate, Mikhailov places a free hand over the ball. The hardware loses sight of the controller, and as his hands move, the 1:1 recreation of the remote on-screen hovers feet from the device and can only snake towards the movement.

"That's why on the Wii, you kind of get some spatial stuff, but it doesn't always work and it's not always reliable."

What's the skinny on PS Move versus Microsoft's Project Natal? Mikhailov boots up the "puppet" demo. The video feed turns him into a wireframe monster with long and slim fingers and a funny shaped, featureless face. The monster moves as he does, recreating his head and hand movement.

"This is tracking your head and your hands. Natal is tracking your full body, so its doing the legs too. When we did Eye Toy, we found that actually these are the most important parts because they define your body. Most of the time people aren't doing kicks. It's more important to know precisely where your hand is rather than roughly know where your body is.

"I have these fine finger controls. I can squeeze the trigger. With Natal what you get is more like position. You don't actually get angles of your arms very well. We think that's more important. We're tracking less, but I think we're tracking in a more comprehensive way."

Mikhailov appears to be on the money with all his points -- Move is a sharp collection of hardware that recreates movement with sometimes-unnerving near-perfect precision. The Wii and Project Natal are missing that boat.

But I still have questions. Will the Move end up trumping either of these two motion technologies? (Nintendo has had a hell of a headstart.) Will software creators actually harness the hardware or create interesting or compelling games that have us exploring what Move does? We'll have to wait a long time for those answers.

[Hedon]

LOL at their dig of NATAL. The funny thing is, they have never used NATAL. NATAL is easily going to best the Move dildo.

[soniqstylz]

LOL at their dig of NATAL. The funny thing is, they have never used NATAL. NATAL is easily going to best the Move dildo.

So you have used Natal, or is that just a "term that shall not be used" statement?

[Hedon]

So you have used Natal

Nope, just posting my opinion. That cool with you?

[AbandonedTrolley]

LOL at their dig of NATAL. The funny thing is, they have never used NATAL. NATAL is easily going to best the Move dildo.

How do you know they have never used Natal?

You realise that it has been used outside of MS Development labs?

I'm not saying that I know they have used it, but to claim they haven't without proof is just silly.

[carmatic]

Nope, just posting my opinion. That cool with you?

i dont know if you meant it or not, but you have stated your opinion like you have stated a fact... and that is a very common form of flamebait

[Hedon]

How do you know they have never used Natal?

Because Natal isn't even done yet. Besides an old build that isn't ready, how could they? I am guess the guy doesn't also work for Microsoft.

i dont know if you meant it or not, but you have stated your opinion like you have stated a fact... and that is a very common form of flamebait

I always state opinions. I never state facts unless I back them up with links. How can it NOT be an opinion. It's a subjective comment.

That last thing we want on this forum is childish flamebait. Been here too long to see all that crap come and go too.

[DPyro]

LOL at their dig of NATAL. The funny thing is, they have never used NATAL. NATAL is easily going to best the Move dildo.

You realize that Sony has already done the whole motion thing with a camera and it was never anything what Natal promises. Not to mention the fact the voice recognition will be an epic fail. It barely works now - how are people with an accent suppose to use this?

[soniqstylz]

Nope, just posting my opinion. That cool with you?

Just noting the irony of you commenting that they have never used Natal, then offering your 2 cents. Other than that, it's cool with me.

[Hedon]

it's cool with me.

Cool.

[Piggy]

I'd only use it for FPS. I'm way too lazy for anything else.

[Max_Payne_UK]

LOL at their dig of NATAL. The funny thing is, they have never used NATAL. NATAL is easily going to best the Move dildo.

:whistle:

Probably best waiting till they both come out and get support. Live Vision Cam anybody? :laugh:

[Hedon]

:whistle:

Probably best waiting till they both come out and get support. Live Vision Cam anybody? :laugh:

Live Vision Cam

Eyetoy

SIXAXIS

Those received the opposite of support.

[Max_Payne_UK]

Eyetoy got loads of support. It's basically what NATAL is doing but with a few more bells and whistles. Six Axis was always a daft idea but in a select few games it works well, I think.